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Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer
Andy Coggan wrote:
On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote: "Andy Coggan" wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they wanted. None from the US. Andy Coggan Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance. I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag). Andy Coggan Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km pursuit is basically an aerobic event. Magilla Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular slide #2: "The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical skills" Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of the energy required during a 3 km pursuit). Andy Coggan Okay. That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level. And Armstrong? Andy Coggan Legweak sucks in sprints. Magilla |
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Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer
Andy Coggan wrote:
On Oct 4, 5:31 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Sep 22, 11:38 am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they wanted. None from the US. Andy Coggan Sure, they could. Kristin Armstrong or even Dotsie Bausch could have nail-punched Hammer had they bothered to master the velodrome and a track bike. Both have the wattage. Heck when Dotsie won nationals in the 3km pursuit last year, she fell off her bike at the start on the same day. That's not exactly the sign of an experienced track pursuiter. As for Bausch, she may have fallen off during her start, but that was purely nerves, as everything else about her preparation and performance was consistent with that of an experienced pursuiter. Of course, that's to be expected given that she was coached by Hammer's fiance. Even so, she, too, would be in danger of getting caught by Hammer. Bausch might have done a little training camp on the gerbil wheel, as you say, but she certainly never trained for it or rode a single competitive race in the pursuit. Once again you seem to be misinformed: Dotsie trained at the LA track under the tutelage of/with Andy Sparks/Sarah Hammer for about 2 mo last summer. Moreover, she'd raced the pursuit at least once even before nationals. Andy Coggan 2 months is not a long time, boss. So in her second race in her life on the track, you expect her to post her fastest pursuit times? I think the issue is the same for most people: since she's not making any money on the track, it's just a big ****ing waste of time. Magilla |
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Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer
On Oct 7, 5:16*pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote: "Andy Coggan" wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they wanted. None from the US. Andy Coggan Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance. I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag). Andy Coggan Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km pursuit is basically an aerobic event. Magilla Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular slide #2: "The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical skills" Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of the energy required during a 3 km pursuit). Andy Coggan Okay. *That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level. And Armstrong? Andy Coggan Legweak sucks in sprints. So what made you think she could set the world on fire as a pursuiter? The event doesn't demand much in the way of neuromuscular power, but it places a high premium on anaerobic capacity. Thus, unless you can at least hold your own in (long) sprints on the road, you're not going to be World Champion in the pursuit, much less set the world record. Andy Coggan |
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Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer
Andy Coggan wrote:
On Oct 7, 5:16 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote: "Andy Coggan" wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they wanted. None from the US. Andy Coggan Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance. I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag). Andy Coggan Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km pursuit is basically an aerobic event. Magilla Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular slide #2: "The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical skills" Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of the energy required during a 3 km pursuit). Andy Coggan Okay. That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level. And Armstrong? Andy Coggan Legweak sucks in sprints. So what made you think she could set the world on fire as a pursuiter? The event doesn't demand much in the way of neuromuscular power, but it places a high premium on anaerobic capacity. Thus, unless you can at least hold your own in (long) sprints on the road, you're not going to be World Champion in the pursuit, much less set the world record. Andy Coggan Well, I was going by what I know about the 4km pursuit, but I guess the 1 less km in the women's pursuit makes it a completely different event and more suitable to sprinters. By the way, why does cycling have different distances for women than men in the pursuit - it's discriminatory. Magilla |
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Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer
On Oct 8, 10:36*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 7, 5:16 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote: "Andy Coggan" wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they wanted. None from the US. Andy Coggan Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance. I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag). Andy Coggan Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km pursuit is basically an aerobic event. Magilla Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular slide #2: "The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical skills" Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of the energy required during a 3 km pursuit). Andy Coggan Okay. *That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level. And Armstrong? Andy Coggan Legweak sucks in sprints. So what made you think she could set the world on fire as a pursuiter? The event doesn't demand much in the way of neuromuscular power, but it places a high premium on anaerobic capacity. Thus, unless you can at least hold your own in (long) sprints on the road, you're not going to be World Champion in the pursuit, much less set the world record. Andy Coggan Well, I was going by what I know about the 4km pursuit, but I guess the 1 less km in the women's pursuit makes it a completely different event and more suitable to sprinters. *Completely* different? No. However, over 4 km it is easier to overcome a relative deficit in anaerobic capacity by having a superior aerobic power and/or lower aerodynamic drag. Andy Coggan |
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Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer
On Oct 8, 10:36*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
why does cycling have different distances for women than men in the pursuit - it's discriminatory. Magilla True. So is having separate events, even when they are the same distance. There is no defensible reason for having womens' only sports at the elite level. People will whine and cry and say that there is, but there isn't. -rj |
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Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer
On Oct 8, 9:28*am, ronaldo_jeremiah
wrote: On Oct 8, 10:36*am, MagillaGorilla wrote: why does cycling have different distances for women than men in the pursuit - it's discriminatory. Magilla True. So is having separate events, even when they are the same distance. There is no defensible reason for having womens' only sports at the elite level. *People will whine and cry and say that there is, but there isn't. Dumbass - In other sports women and men do the same distances. Track and field. Swimming. Triathlon. etc. Cycling doing the different distances is weird. I'll bet Bruce has something to do with it. thanks, K. Gringioni. |
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Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer
"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message ... On Oct 8, 9:28 am, ronaldo_jeremiah wrote: On Oct 8, 10:36 am, MagillaGorilla wrote: why does cycling have different distances for women than men in the pursuit - it's discriminatory. Magilla True. So is having separate events, even when they are the same distance. There is no defensible reason for having womens' only sports at the elite level. People will whine and cry and say that there is, but there isn't. Dumbass - In other sports women and men do the same distances. Track and field. Swimming. Triathlon. etc. Cycling doing the different distances is weird. I'll bet Bruce has something to do with it. --------------- Tennis - Fewer sets Golf - Less distance Basketball - three point line NBA/WNBA |
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Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer
Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
In other sports women and men do the same distances. Track and field. Swimming. Triathlon. etc. Track and Field only relatively recently added 3000m steeplechase and the longer distance track events. |
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Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer
On Oct 8, 11:36*am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 7, 5:16 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Andy Coggan wrote: On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote: "Andy Coggan" wrote in message ... On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote: Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they wanted. None from the US. Andy Coggan Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance. I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag). Andy Coggan Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km pursuit is basically an aerobic event. Magilla Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular slide #2: "The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical skills" Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of the energy required during a 3 km pursuit). Andy Coggan Okay. *That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level. And Armstrong? Andy Coggan Legweak sucks in sprints. So what made you think she could set the world on fire as a pursuiter? The event doesn't demand much in the way of neuromuscular power, but it places a high premium on anaerobic capacity. Thus, unless you can at least hold your own in (long) sprints on the road, you're not going to be World Champion in the pursuit, much less set the world record. Andy Coggan Well, I was going by what I know about the 4km pursuit, but I guess the 1 less km in the women's pursuit makes it a completely different event and more suitable to sprinters. By the way, why does cycling have different distances for women than men in the pursuit - it's discriminatory. Magilla My guess is they want the pursuit times closer together. |
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