Sarah Hammer is a just as delusional as MC Hammer

On Oct 8, 12:40*pm, "Carl Sundquist" wrote:
"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message

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On Oct 8, 9:28 am, ronaldo_jeremiah
wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:36 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
why does cycling have different distances for women than men

in the pursuit - it's discriminatory.

Magilla

True.

So is having separate events, even when they are the same distance.

There is no defensible reason for having womens' only sports at the
elite level. People will whine and cry and say that there is, but
there isn't.

Dumbass -

In other sports women and men do the same distances. Track and field.
Swimming. Triathlon. etc.

Cycling doing the different distances is weird. I'll bet Bruce has
something to do with it.
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Tennis - Fewer sets
Golf - Less distance
Basketball - three point line NBA/WNBA

Baseball - Softball
Football - Cheerleader

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wrote:

On Oct 8, 12:40*pm, "Carl Sundquist" wrote:
"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message

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On Oct 8, 9:28 am, ronaldo_jeremiah
wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:36 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:
why does cycling have different distances for women than men

in the pursuit - it's discriminatory.

Magilla

True.

So is having separate events, even when they are the same distance.

There is no defensible reason for having womens' only sports at the
elite level. People will whine and cry and say that there is, but
there isn't.

Dumbass -

In other sports women and men do the same distances. Track and field.
Swimming. Triathlon. etc.

Cycling doing the different distances is weird. I'll bet Bruce has
something to do with it.
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Tennis - Fewer sets
Golf - Less distance
Basketball - three point line NBA/WNBA

Baseball - Softball
Football - Cheerleader

Dumbass: you're acting like the Lingerie Bowl doesn't exist. I
understand the women involved were professionals!

It's not necessary to reduce the duration of women's events, but it
often happens. Off the top of my head, the longer women have been
participating in a sport, the more likely it has some sort of
accommodation for women.

Track and Field is an exception, though even there the women do a
heptathlon, not a decathlon. The marathon is the same distance for men
and women, but women only contested Olympic marathons starting in 1984.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athleti...cs#Women.27s_e
vents

That said, there were no women's cycling events at all until 1984, so
maybe my theory doesn't hold up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling...ummer_Olympics

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On Oct 8, 11:36 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 7, 5:16 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote:

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message

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On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they
wanted.

None from the US.

Andy Coggan

Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance.

I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to
be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other
characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag).

Andy Coggan

Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km
pursuit is basically an aerobic event.

Magilla

Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular
slide #2:

"The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring
specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high
anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical
skills"

Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced

from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also

mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the
ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What
she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a
sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of
the energy required during a 3 km pursuit).

Andy Coggan

Okay. That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good
sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level.

And Armstrong?

Andy Coggan

Legweak sucks in sprints.

So what made you think she could set the world on fire as a pursuiter?
The event doesn't demand much in the way of neuromuscular power, but
it places a high premium on anaerobic capacity. Thus, unless you can
at least hold your own in (long) sprints on the road, you're not going
to be World Champion in the pursuit, much less set the world record.

Andy Coggan

Well, I was going by what I know about the 4km pursuit, but I guess the
1 less km in the women's pursuit makes it a completely different event
and more suitable to sprinters.

By the way, why does cycling have different distances for women than men
in the pursuit - it's discriminatory.

Magilla


My guess is they want the pursuit times closer together.


It was a rhetorical question. The correct answer is because the UCI is
discriminatory and run by idiot old men from Europe who are still stuck
in 1940.

I'm the only one who is willing to call a spade a a spade. As usual,
the rest of you just sugarcoat it into some kind of innocent
rationalization.


Magilla

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 8, 10:36 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 7, 5:16 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 7, 10:01 am, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Oct 4, 5:39 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:

On Sep 22, 1:50 pm, "Robert" wrote:

"Andy Coggan" wrote in message

...
On Sep 19, 7:52 pm, MagillaGorilla wrote:

Any road rider can beat her in the pursuit if they
wanted.

None from the US.

Andy Coggan

Maybe Armstrong if given half a chance.

I doubt it. From what I've seen, she lacks the anaerobic capacity to
be really good at pursuiting, even though she obviously has the other
characteristics (i.e., high aerobic power and low aerodynamic drag).

Andy Coggan

Are you telling me the 3km pursuit is an anaerobic event? I know the 4km
pursuit is basically an aerobic event.

Magilla

Cf.http://www.fixedgearfever.com/downloads/PASO.ppt, in particular
slide #2:

"The individual pursuit is a deceptively simple event favoring
specialists who possess superior aerobic fitness coupled with a high
anaerobic capacity, excellent aerodynamics, and specific technical
skills"

Armstrong obviously has the 1st and 3rd traits/abilities, as evidenced

from her performance in road TTs. From what I've seen she's also

mastered the specific technical skills required, in particular the
ability to pace herself appropriately and to hold a good line. What
she lacks, at least relative to the demands of the event, is a
sufficiently high anaerobic capacity (which typically provides ~25% of
the energy required during a 3 km pursuit).

Andy Coggan

Okay. That could be because both Ulmer and van Moorsel had pretty good
sprints and could win field sprints at the world class level.

And Armstrong?

Andy Coggan

Legweak sucks in sprints.

So what made you think she could set the world on fire as a pursuiter?
The event doesn't demand much in the way of neuromuscular power, but
it places a high premium on anaerobic capacity. Thus, unless you can
at least hold your own in (long) sprints on the road, you're not going
to be World Champion in the pursuit, much less set the world record.

Andy Coggan

Well, I was going by what I know about the 4km pursuit, but I guess the
1 less km in the women's pursuit makes it a completely different event
and more suitable to sprinters.


*Completely* different? No. However, over 4 km it is easier to
overcome a relative deficit in anaerobic capacity by having a superior
aerobic power and/or lower aerodynamic drag.

Andy Coggan



Can you get us the power/speed graphs of Sarah Hamster's pursuit runs so
I can countersink the final nail in the coffins of all the jackasses in
here who think you don't lose speed in a gerbil wheel turn.

Thanks,

Magilla

MagillaGorilla wrote:
Can you get us the power/speed graphs of Sarah Hamster's pursuit runs so
I can countersink the final nail in the coffins of all the jackasses in
here who think you don't lose speed in a gerbil wheel turn.

Dumbass,

http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/schwartzpursuit.png

"Repetition is the very soul of the net" - alt.config

Bob Schwartz

Andy Coggan wrote:
*Completely* different? No. However, over 4 km it is easier to
overcome a relative deficit in anaerobic capacity by having a superior
aerobic power and/or lower aerodynamic drag.

I can do 1h @ 175 bpm and 5 min @ 190 and I can outsprint Michael
Boogerd. So. Now. All I need to become Master Pursuit Champion is higher
aerobic power, right? (And strive for the ideal raindrop shape by eating
more.)

Ted van de Weteringe wrote:

Andy Coggan wrote:
*Completely* different? No. However, over 4 km it is easier to
overcome a relative deficit in anaerobic capacity by having a superior
aerobic power and/or lower aerodynamic drag.

I can do 1h @ 175 bpm and 5 min @ 190 and I can outsprint Michael
Boogerd. So. Now. All I need to become Master Pursuit Champion is higher
aerobic power, right? (And strive for the ideal raindrop shape by eating
more.)


Raindrops are spherical, unless they are very large, in which case they are
actually a flattened spheroid (the shape gets odder as they get bigger).
It turns out that liquids would rather minimize their surface free energy
rather than their aerodynamic drag, since the drag doesn't cost them energy
if they are in free fall.

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/raindropshape.html

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Bill Asher