Can you make it to the market on a bike?

On Aug 2, 11:34 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote:

Besides, if "separate but equal" is the law of the land in many areas,
particularly applied to those who live beyond walled communities, I
don't see why it should apply to bikes and SUVs. They do NOT mix, just
as lions and monkeys.

Some of the monkeys (ok, apes) learned to walk upright and used their
now free forelimbs to make and hold weapons. The lions learned to stay
well away from these otherwise slow and weak creatures.\

The lions learned to wait until the monkeys killed each other for them
to have a good lunch. Yep, lions are scavengers too!

On Aug 3, 12:56 pm, Marz wrote:
On Aug 3, 10:16 am, donquijote1954
wrote:

On Aug 2, 6:09 pm, Martin Dann wrote:

As I don't live in the USA, I

Maybe that's why you don't understand what's going on here. Slower
vehicles don't have to drive on the right at all, nor should drivers
pay be paying attention to driving, simply you get these SUV behemoths
whistling past you that leave you shaking in your commitment to ride
anymore.

What?? Please explain what you mean by saying,'nor should drivers pay
be paying attention to driving.' Because most drivers (in the US) I
see are paying attention to the road.

I ride most days along side SUV behemoths here in Texas and they've
not put me or any of my friends off riding. Maybe it's how you ride
that's causing you too many close encounters with other road users.

They simply are NOT paying attention to a large extent. If you are on
the cell phone you are NOT paying any more attention than if you had a
six pack of beer. And tell MADD that's a good thing.

"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote in message
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Joe the Aroma WHO? wrote:
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" wrote in message
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However, I stand by my statement that the free-market has failed,
since there is no real free-market health care system in the US.

Seeing as it's never really been tried, except perhaps many moons ago
when health care was nowhere near as complex and expensive as it is now,
I think it's hasty to make that conclusion.

My point exactly. The FREE MARKET is failing to provide free market health
care in the U.S.

Mr. Sherman is quite corred on this matter of health care in the US. The
present system is broken and cannot be fixed except by a single payer system
(the government). Such a health care system will be like the public school
system. It is not socialism, but simply good common sense. It ought to be
financed via higher progressive income taxes on the rich and/or a value
added tax on those who like to spend money on luxuries. A total no-brainer!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

On Aug 4, 11:16 am, wrote:

Sidewalk cycling IS more dangerous than roadway cycling. Pretending
that people will do it only in one direction is specious, and
pretending they won't be at risk if they do is worse.

Note, I'm not saying that nobody should ever ride on a sidewalk.
There are times and places where it may make sense, and there are
times and places where it can be done safely. But whitewashing the
situation, pretending all the risk comes from riding the wrong-way,
ignores the real dangers: cars cutting across sidewalks at driveways
and parking lots, numerous blind spots, sidewalk edges that trap
wheels, pedestrians & joggers & dogs with their random movements, sub-
standard or dangerous pavement, interactions with surprised motorists
when the cyclist crosses a road, etc.

If a cyclist plans to use a sidewalk, even for fifty feet, they need
to be aware of all of those things, and be on high alert. But the
common thinking is "I'm just on the sidewalk; I'm safe." That's a
delusion, and your posts purposely contribute toward that delusion.

Fact is, you're so intent on gaining imaginary "arguing" points that
you're willing to distort facts, spread misinformation, and endanger
novices who read your posts. Those novices need to be warned against
you.

OK, with such a motivation (warning the novices against you), I ask
you (I hope there are many witnesses out there), WHAT THE HELL IS THE
SOLUTION, so we can go from 1% to, say, 30% ridership? Or you believe
yourself to be among a supreme elite smart enough to ride a bike among
traffic while the stupid 99% stay away from it? JUST ANSWER! Or just
admit you've riding a stationary bike!

donquijote1954 who? wrote:
...
OK, with such a motivation (warning the novices against you), I ask
you (I hope there are many witnesses out there), WHAT THE HELL IS THE
SOLUTION, so we can go from 1% to, say, 30% ridership?...

Google "Hubbert's Peak.

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On Aug 4, 10:23 am, still me wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 23:47:15 -0500, "Edward Dolan"
wrote:

Such a health care system will be like the public school
system. It is not socialism, but simply good common sense. It ought to be
financed via higher progressive income taxes on the rich and/or a value
added tax on those who like to spend money on luxuries. A total no-brainer!

Funny, I've come to think that Health Care is a luxury in the USA.

I think it's more like WE CAN'T AFFORD THE LUXURY TO GET SICK. Other
luxuries we can probably afford, well at least with a good credit.

On Aug 4, 2:15 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote:
donquijote1954 who? wrote:
...
OK, with such a motivation (warning the novices against you), I ask
you (I hope there are many witnesses out there), WHAT THE HELL IS THE
SOLUTION, so we can go from 1% to, say, 30% ridership?...

Google "Hubbert's Peak.


Oil production peak... It's gonna be fun to be alive and watch the
couch potatos finally pedalling when things finally start going down
hill (it'll be up hill for them though). I don't see much prevention
in practice, particularly when bicycles are mostly banned from the
dangerous roads --banned by fear, that is.

donquijote1954 who? wrote:
On Aug 4, 2:15 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
wrote:
donquijote1954 who? wrote:
...
OK, with such a motivation (warning the novices against you), I ask
you (I hope there are many witnesses out there), WHAT THE HELL IS THE
SOLUTION, so we can go from 1% to, say, 30% ridership?...
Google "Hubbert's Peak.


Oil production peak... It's gonna be fun to be alive and watch the
couch potatos finally pedalling when things finally start going down
hill (it'll be up hill for them though). I don't see much prevention
in practice, particularly when bicycles are mostly banned from the
dangerous roads --banned by fear, that is.

How about stopping all the fear-mongering about how dangerous cycling is
and the related promotion of h*lm*ts and segregated facilities? Chicken
Little was wrong about the sky falling, and you are wrong about the true
danger of cycling.

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However, I stand by my statement that the free-market has failed,
since there is no real free-market health care system in the US.

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" wrote
Seeing as it's never really been tried, except perhaps many moons ago
when health care was nowhere near as complex and expensive as it is now,

Joe the Aroma WHO? wrote:
I think it's hasty to make that conclusion.

"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote
My point exactly. The FREE MARKET is failing to provide free market health
care in the U.S.

Edward Dolan wrote:
Mr. Sherman is quite corred on this matter of health care in the US. The
present system is broken and cannot be fixed except by a single payer system
(the government). Such a health care system will be like the public school
system. It is not socialism, but simply good common sense. It ought to be
financed via higher progressive income taxes on the rich and/or a value
added tax on those who like to spend money on luxuries. A total no-brainer!

You have obviously not thought that through to its logical conclusion
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Andrew Muzi wrote:
However, I stand by my statement that the free-market has failed,
since there is no real free-market health care system in the US.

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" wrote
Seeing as it's never really been tried, except perhaps many moons
ago when health care was nowhere near as complex and expensive as it
is now,

Joe the Aroma WHO? wrote:
I think it's hasty to make that conclusion.

"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" wrote
My point exactly. The FREE MARKET is failing to provide free market
health care in the U.S.

Edward Dolan wrote:
Mr. Sherman is quite corred on this matter of health care in the US.
The present system is broken and cannot be fixed except by a single
payer system (the government). Such a health care system will be like
the public school system. It is not socialism, but simply good common
sense. It ought to be financed via higher progressive income taxes on
the rich and/or a value added tax on those who like to spend money on
luxuries. A total no-brainer!

You have obviously not thought that through to its logical conclusion

My logical conclusion was that I could not afford to get treatment for a
chronic health problem, since my portion of the expenses was more than
my discretionary income - and yes, I am "covered" under a employer
provided "health plan". I really need to start trying to get a job in
Canada.

More than 50% of recent personal bankruptcies in the US are from people
who got sick, lost their jobs and/or health coverage or exceeded the
coverage limits, and exhausted their financial assets on medical bills.
Great system, eh?

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Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

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