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Irration, outsize doping penalty
I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules
violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even if one must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward distortion of applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn a living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete more, in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street. I give up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a sanction. No, I don't think I'm being naïve about this. Green suspended for asthma inhaler slip-up Canadian mountain bike racer Roland Green has been retroactively suspended for six months after testing positive for prednisolone, a synthetic corticosteroid, at the UCI MTB World Cup in Houffalize in May 2004. A hearing was recently conducted through the Sport Dispute Resolution Centre of Canada with the participation of Green and the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA). The hearing found that an infraction of UCI anti-doping rules had occurred, but there were mitigating circumstances: the prednisolone came from Green's asthma inhaler and Green had failed to keep up the necessary paperwork to use it. .... follow... http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ar05/mar02news -- Sandy Verneuil-sur-Seine FR ******* La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette, il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre. -- Einstein, A. |
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Sandy wrote:
I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even if one must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward distortion of applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn a living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete more, in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street. I give up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a sanction. No, I don't think I'm being naïve about this. Its just as irrational as suspensions for testing positive for marijuana incurred by some downhill MTBers. Apart from which the complete stupidity of attempting to implement a uniform drug code where a cyclist could be sanctioned for taking for example a beta blocker that would have had a performance degrading effect in any endurance sport highlights the function of WADA as a bunch of self righteous old farts on a hypocritical crusade (rather like the 70's and 80's bunch of old farts attempting to enforce the shamateurism rules of the time). And even those drugs that might be considered performance enhancing are often not really very effective (such as these asthma pump cortizone deritives) and not particularly dangerous either. Concentrating on those few drugs that actually enhance performance and might be dangerous to the user would seem a more rational approach. Does cycling really need WADA and the olympics anyway ? Who cares about a race that Mercxx never participated in. |
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Sandy wrote: I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even if one must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward distortion of applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn a living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete more, in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street. I give up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a sanction. No, I don't think I'm being na=EFve about this. Sandy Verneuil-sur-Seine FR Got to agree with you completely on these latest cases. There needs to be a complete review and reform of the list and procedures involved here. There is no reason in hell for things like the fiasco with Vaughters. Courts decide rulings partially based on the intent with which a person acts on a regular basis and adjust their rulings due to it. It's not always possible to determine someone's intent beyond doubt, but in an awful lot of these cases it's pretty obvious that there was NO intention to gain an advantage outside the rules. There really needs to be some serious common sense injected into this whole mess. There needs to be a fine when the team or rider screws up the paperwork, maybe 50 Euros or so just to act as a reminder to get the stuff in, but the UCI and Wada need to become a whole lot more transparent and work a lot better with the athletes and NGBs too. =20 Bill C |
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Sandy wrote:
I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even if one must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward distortion of applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn a living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete more, in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street. I give up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a sanction. No, I don't think I'm being na?ve about this. There was no fine. The suspension conveniently ends when the racing season starts again. There is no mention of a loss of any points or prize money earned during the suspension, most of which was over the winter. I think this is very consistent with the view that this is more absent- mindedness than doping. Bob Schwartz |
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Sandy wrote:
I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even if one must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward distortion of applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn a living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete more, in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street. I give up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a sanction. No, I don't think I'm being naïve about this. Green suspended for asthma inhaler slip-up Canadian mountain bike racer Roland Green has been retroactively suspended for six months after testing positive for prednisolone, a synthetic corticosteroid, at the UCI MTB World Cup in Houffalize in May 2004. A hearing was recently conducted through the Sport Dispute Resolution Centre of Canada with the participation of Green and the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA). The hearing found that an infraction of UCI anti-doping rules had occurred, but there were mitigating circumstances: the prednisolone came from Green's asthma inhaler and Green had failed to keep up the necessary paperwork to use it. ... follow... http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ar05/mar02news Because under a strict liability system, 6 months is considered a minimum sanction. Green got what he deserved. Green took a steroid intentionally. He's probably using the asthma inhaler as a calculated excuse to get his monthly dose of steroid. Or are you one of those people who actually thinks the entire peloton of pro cyclists has breathing problems and deserves all these medical exemptions? I don't know a single asthmatic as an adult. However, I do know a lot of pro cyclists who claim to have breathing problems. It's all a ruse. Green should have gotten 1 year. Your buddy Lafferty is going to be disappointed in you. Magilla |
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MagillaGorilla wrote: Sandy wrote: I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even if one must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward distortion of applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn a living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete more, in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street. I give up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a sanction. No, I don't think I'm being na=EFve about this. Green suspended for asthma inhaler slip-up Canadian mountain bike racer Roland Green has been retroactively suspended for six months after testing positive for prednisolone, a synthetic corticosteroid, at the UCI MTB World Cup in Houffalize in May 2004. A hearing was recently conducted through the Sport Dispute Resolution Centre of Canada with the participation of Green and the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA). The hearing found that an infraction of UCI anti-doping rules had occurred, but there were mitigating circumstances: the prednisolone came from Green's asthma inhaler and Green had failed to keep up the necessary paperwork to use it. ... follow... http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ar05/mar02news Because under a strict liability system, 6 months is considered a minimum sanction. Green got what he deserved. Green took a steroid intentionally. Yes he did. He's probably using the asthma inhaler as a calculated excuse to get his monthly dose of steroid. Totally unproven and unsubstantiated allegation. Or are you one of those people who actually thinks the entire peloton of pro cyclists has breathing problems and deserves all these medical exemptions? That's why there needs to be an independent review of the medical records, or even an examination before approval for these things. I don't know a single asthmatic as an adult. However, I do know a lot of pro cyclists who claim to have breathing problems. You must lead a sheltered life, and given your sweet disposition I'm nopt surprised that you have a limited circle of acquaintances. It's all a ruse. Green should have gotten 1 year. Your buddy Lafferty is going to be disappointed in you. Magilla Hopefully you work in some sector where the govt. can screw you over and shut down what your doing, or yank your license for stupid **** like a minor paperwork glitch. But then we'll never know will we. Bill C |
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Bill C wrote:
MagillaGorilla wrote: Sandy wrote: I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Second, even if one must be a stickler for paperwork details, it seems an untoward distortion of applying the rules, when a six month suspension of the right to earn a living is the result. This anti-drug thing now penalizes an athlete more, in practical terms, than the minor sales of narcotics on the street. I give up on the logic that anyone could present in defense of such a sanction. No, I don't think I'm being naïve about this. Green suspended for asthma inhaler slip-up Canadian mountain bike racer Roland Green has been retroactively suspended for six months after testing positive for prednisolone, a synthetic corticosteroid, at the UCI MTB World Cup in Houffalize in May 2004. A hearing was recently conducted through the Sport Dispute Resolution Centre of Canada with the participation of Green and the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA). The hearing found that an infraction of UCI anti-doping rules had occurred, but there were mitigating circumstances: the prednisolone came from Green's asthma inhaler and Green had failed to keep up the necessary paperwork to use it. ... follow... http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ar05/mar02news Because under a strict liability system, 6 months is considered a minimum sanction. Green got what he deserved. Green took a steroid intentionally. Yes he did. He's probably using the asthma inhaler as a calculated excuse to get his monthly dose of steroid. Totally unproven and unsubstantiated allegation. Or are you one of those people who actually thinks the entire peloton of pro cyclists has breathing problems and deserves all these medical exemptions? That's why there needs to be an independent review of the medical records, or even an examination before approval for these things. I don't know a single asthmatic as an adult. However, I do know a lot of pro cyclists who claim to have breathing problems. You must lead a sheltered life, and given your sweet disposition I'm nopt surprised that you have a limited circle of acquaintances. It's all a ruse. Green should have gotten 1 year. Your buddy Lafferty is going to be disappointed in you. Magilla Hopefully you work in some sector where the govt. can screw you over and shut down what your doing, or yank your license for stupid **** like a minor paperwork glitch. But then we'll never know will we. Bill C Taking a steroid is not the same as a "paperwork" violation. Roland Green isn't an asthmatic, trust me. Does anybody remember which athlete it was who said that these breathing inhalers and getting a medical exemption for asthma was all a big joke designed to cover up intentional doping? Sorry, but if you're a pro cyclist, you breathe just fine. If you're an asthamtic, you shouldn't be racing a bike for 6 hours a day. Bill, don't get suckered into the doper scams of pro cycling. I'm surprised pro cyclists aren't claiming they have chronic renal failure just so they can get a medical exemption for EPO. Thanks, Magilla |
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Sandy wrote:
I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Uh, no it's a legal doping scam but you've gotta play by the rules - and he didn't. Jump through the proper hoops and dope legally or get suspended. Simple as that. MagillaGorilla wrote: Does anybody remember which athlete it was who said that these breathing inhalers and getting a medical exemption for asthma was all a big joke designed to cover up intentional doping? Manzano - and he was right. Sorry, but if you're a pro cyclist, you breathe just fine. If you're an asthamtic, you shouldn't be racing a bike for 6 hours a day. That's the truth brother. And for all you that think inhalers are no big deal, there's a little truth there. The amounts of corticosterioids are minimal if used as prescribed - but what the inhaler allows you to do is get an exemption for testing positive for corticoids. During stage races these drugs work wonders for recovery from day to day. With the medical clearance for an inhaler you can pop a bunch of prednisone or prednisolone and be ready to roll for the next stage. Plus these drugs give a boost to the adrenal system and give a bit of a euphoric rush. Definitely an unfair advantage and definitely doping by anyone's standard. |
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Gorilla Critter wrote:
That's the truth brother. And for all you that think inhalers are no big deal, there's a little truth there. The amounts of corticosterioids are minimal if used as prescribed - but what the inhaler allows you to do is get an exemption for testing positive for corticoids. During stage races these drugs work wonders for recovery from day to day. With the medical clearance for an inhaler you can pop a bunch of prednisone or prednisolone and be ready to roll for the next stage. Plus these drugs give a boost to the adrenal system and give a bit of a euphoric rush. Definitely an unfair advantage and definitely doping by anyone's standard. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ar04/mar16news ------ Gaumont also revealed the importance of having a doctor willing to write justifications for certain products, notably corticoids. As Gaumont explains it, there are no masking products, rather masking prescriptions. "Here's how it works," he said. "The team doctor sends you to see an allergy specialist. The specialist says you are allergic to dust mites and prescribes a spray... When you go to a doping control, you declare your allergy and that you have a prescription for Nasacort (a product Gaumont says masks cortisone), which you used in the morning in a nasal inhaler. At the same time, you've taken in injection of Kenacort (a banned substance), since at the control they can't tell the difference between a spray and an injection." ------ Bob Schwartz |
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Gorilla Critter wrote:
Sandy wrote: I am just having a hard time believing that this is the sort of rules violation that should be considered "doping" or "cheating". First, I don't think it's really anything more than absent-mindedness. Uh, no it's a legal doping scam but you've gotta play by the rules - and he didn't. Jump through the proper hoops and dope legally or get suspended. Simple as that. MagillaGorilla wrote: Does anybody remember which athlete it was who said that these breathing inhalers and getting a medical exemption for asthma was all a big joke designed to cover up intentional doping? Manzano - and he was right. Sorry, but if you're a pro cyclist, you breathe just fine. If you're an asthamtic, you shouldn't be racing a bike for 6 hours a day. That's the truth brother. And for all you that think inhalers are no big deal, there's a little truth there. The amounts of corticosterioids are minimal if used as prescribed - but what the inhaler allows you to do is get an exemption for testing positive for corticoids. During stage races these drugs work wonders for recovery from day to day. With the medical clearance for an inhaler you can pop a bunch of prednisone or prednisolone and be ready to roll for the next stage. Plus these drugs give a boost to the adrenal system and give a bit of a euphoric rush. Definitely an unfair advantage and definitely doping by anyone's standard. Nice job, cousin monkey. Now we're getting into some serious discussion here. Finally, someone on RBR who isn't a clueless jackass. Roland Green's little medical exemption certificate is nothing but a carefully orchestrated scheme by himself to exploit the loophole in the doping regulations and to use as a cover story to circumvent testing positive for taking steroids which he does intentionally to enhance his performance. The Euros have been getting away with it for years. Green finally got on the program. How much do you want to bet Roland Green never had any problems breathing until he was racing his bike for money? Roland Green's excuse is like a weight lifter saying he has muscle weakness every time he goes to lift a world record weight, so he needs to take steroids to counter this "medical condition." Magilla |
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