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') wrote: Peter Fox Wrote: $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador? The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees' qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with televisions and sporty knowledge would know about. Will Mr Snow be requiring a Pedalometer to explain his decisions? I think AHD is a particularly good choice though whether he'd fit with David Martin's mainstream (i.e. normal) requirement is debatable. Others: Chris Boardman? Not utility enough? Nicole Cooke? Too young? Not famous enough? (despite being the best female cyclist in the world) Sean Yates? Again, not utility? Too bloody busy anyway? 'Christian Wolmar' (http://www.christianwolmar.co.uk)? Too political? Not famous enough? Not mainstream enough? This begs the question of whether we're looking for someone to represent cycling as a utility activity, cycling as a liesure activity, or cycling as a sport. The CTC have traditionally represented cycling as liesure; British Cycling and the SCU have traditionally represented cycling as sport. Both seem to be making some moves towards representing cycling as a utility activity, but neither are doing it very well yet. Nicole Cooke is superficially a good candidate for a representative of cycling as a sport, but as she has hopefully many years of competitive cycling ahead of her she doesn't really have the time to do it. Boardman could; so could Phil Liggett. But someone I think would be good - yes, he isn't actually British but he lives here - would be Magnus Bakstedt. For liesure cycling I really can't think of anyone prominent enough. And for utility cycling, while I agree Adam Hart Davis is a candidate, I personally come back to Boris. -- (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/ Morning had broken, and I found when I looked that we had run out of copper roove nails. |
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Simon Brooke wrote:
in message , wheelist ') wrote: For liesure cycling I really can't think of anyone prominent enough. And for utility cycling, while I agree Adam Hart Davis is a candidate, I personally come back to Boris. The Dutch ex Minister for Justice ( always seen riding his black roadster) is also looking for a job -- --- Marten Gerritsen INFOapestaartjeM-GINEERINGpuntNL www.m-gineering.nl |
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Peter Fox wrote:
$64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador? Will Self! |
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"wafflycat" wrote in message ... The CTC has made an unwise move, I think. According to the copy of Cycle which arrived this morning, Jon Snow is the new CTC president, having been invited to take the role once Phil Liggett steps down. This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on 'Richard & Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up cycling as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be kept separate from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the erroneous view that cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going to take before this comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational backside when the media picks up on how the CTC has a president who thinks cyclists should be kept off the roads, yet at the same time supporting Daniel Cadden, a CTC member who was fined for cycling on the road. Mixed messages from the CTC, anyone? I feel like handing in my CTC membership in disgust. Cheers, helen s I'm not impressed either! The following is a letter to "Cycle" the CTC mag, which I've just emailed to the editor. "Dear sir, I read with some disappointment of the accession of Jon Snow to the position of President of my club. Not because he is a journalist, and only politicians are held in less regard than them, but because I heard an interview with Mr Snow, where he claimed that a cycle helmet had saved his life, and that anyone sensible wore such a device. By implication, Mr Snow considers that anyone not wearing a cycle helmet is an idiot. I find it hard to accept that someone, supposedly professionally questioning, is unhesitating in their acceptance that cycle helmets work. I used to believe that helmets must work, but changed my mind after reading the evidence, and I find Mr Snow's assertions to be as credible as the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. The evidence is clear, compelling and undisputed: cycle helmets don't work. Nowhere that has introduced helmet compulsion has shown any reduction in risk to cyclists, and some show an increase in risk. None of the evidence showing the lack of effect of helmets has been challenged, but most, if not all, of the evidence supposedly demonstrating their effectiveness has been shown to be biased and unreliable. The CTC's position on cycle helmets has been clearly stated many times, that it is a matter of individual choice, which should be made on the best available evidence. Mr Snow, from his public pronouncements, appears not to support this view. Neither, Mr Editor, would you appear to. The matter of helmets and their disproportionate numbers in pictures in "Cycle" have been commented on several times, and you have made some rather feeble excuses for their preponderance. You published a learned article about what helmets were supposed to do, but I have waited in vain for an article explaining that, in the real world, they don't do it. Helmet wearing in the general population of cyclists is somewhere between 20 and 25%. The latest edition of "Cycle" has almost exactly the opposite proportion, with the helmeted cyclist pictures being generally larger and in more prominent positions than the un-helmeted. Previous editions under your editorship have shown the same gross, unjustifiable and unrealistic imbalance. As a national councilor, I voted for taking the magazine from in-house production to the outsourced production it now is. Whilst this has been successful in many ways, if I had known then that it would become unrepresentative and helmet-obsessed, I would not have voted for the change. All of which leaves me in a dilemma: do I really want to belong to a club with a President who thinks that the majority of the members are idiots, and which has a magazine editor who opposes the majority view of that club? Yours sincerely Richard Burton" |
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"Peter Fox" wrote in message ... $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador? The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees' qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with televisions and sporty knowledge would know about. AHD is yet another helmet obsessive. He wears one on his recumbent and it's his trademark! Cycling needs brains not mouthpieces. Anyone who blindly accepts that helmets work doesn't have a brain, and can't be bothered with little things like evidence. |
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Stephen Patterson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 14:20:29 +0100, Peter Fox wrote: $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador? The obvious candidate is Adam Hart-Davis who has the 'dirty knees' qualification but there must be alternatives which those of you with televisions and sporty knowledge would know about. Yes, him or the presenter of that recent bbc programs about mapping who went over some of the lake district passes on a 100 year old bike ... ah yes, Nicholas Crane http://www.tvfactual.co.uk/nicolas_crane.htm though Adam Hart's better known. He would get my vote as well, it wasn't just that route he did by bike. -- Don Whybrow Sequi Bonum Non Time After things go from bad to worse, the cycle will repeat itself. |
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"Simon Brooke" wrote in message ... in message , wheelist ') wrote: Nicole Cooke is superficially a good candidate for a representative of cycling as a sport, but as she has hopefully many years of competitive cycling ahead of her she doesn't really have the time to do it. Boardman could; so could Phil Liggett. Phil Liggett is the CTC president who's just resigned! |
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"Ian Smith" wrote in message ... On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:51:14 +0100, Simon Brooke wrote: in message , Peter Fox l') wrote: $64,000 question for urc : Who /would be/ a better ambassador? Boris Jonstone? No, I am vaguely serious. He is a Tory, I know, but he is well known as a regular utility cyclist and is media-friendly in his own bizarre way. I'd second Boris. And thirded. |
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This will be Jon Snow, the newsreader, who back in February on
'Richard & Judy' (13th February 2006) admitted he tells people not to take up cycling as "it's too dangerous out there" and that cyclists should be kept separate from traffic on separate facilities, so promoting the erroneous view that cycling is inherently dangerous. How long is it going to take before this comes back and bites the CTC in its organisational backside when the media Not read all the responses - but he is probably right. Of course cycling is not inherently dangerous - but we share the roads with idiots who think that you are less than human if you ride a bike, or haven't 'made it' as was demonstrated by an Indian Driver plus family that looked at me as if I was a lump of **** because I Shouted 'hello' as he turned left out of a side street without looking right! How dare you impede my you low-cast person! Sorry I will crawl up my ass. |
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How about Griff Rhys Jones? Managed to take his emminently sensible hybrid everywhere on Restoration Village, wearing normal clothes and not a 'specialist' piece of gear in sight. Made no fuss about the bike, it was just there and normal. He is also well liked, well respected and not from the ranks of the FLJS or politicians. ...d |
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