I Don't Care What You Say...

HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. Not only did Renshaw deliver
his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
tell - making sure Farrar couldn't get through. WTF was Farra doing
trying to go through the inside FFS? I know you yanks are nothing if
not partisan at suporting your boys, but Garmin really don't have a
clue at all in these sprints, leastwise not those that I've seen...

UD

"Uncle Dave" wrote in message
...
: HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. Not only did Renshaw deliver
: his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
: tell - making sure Farrar couldn't get through. WTF was Farra doing
: trying to go through the inside FFS? I know you yanks are nothing if
: not partisan at suporting your boys, but Garmin really don't have a
: clue at all in these sprints, leastwise not those that I've seen...



Dumbass -

It's not just this year.

They were clueless last year too.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

On Jul 15, 9:47*am, "Kurgan Gringioni"
wrote:
"Uncle Dave" wrote in message

...
: HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. *Not only did Renshaw deliver
: his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
: tell - making sure Farrar couldn't get through. *WTF was Farra doing
: trying to go through the inside FFS? *I know you yanks are nothing if
: not partisan at suporting your boys, but Garmin really don't have a
: clue at all in these sprints, leastwise not those that I've seen...

Dumbass -

It's not just this year.

They were clueless last year too.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

These are both correct assessments

On 7/15/2010 10:41 AM, Uncle Dave wrote:
HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. Not only did Renshaw deliver
his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
tell - making sure Farrar couldn't get through. WTF was Farra doing
trying to go through the inside FFS? I know you yanks are nothing if
not partisan at suporting your boys, but Garmin really don't have a
clue at all in these sprints, leastwise not those that I've seen...

UD

Partisan?

Check out last year's sprint in Paris:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frdU3_aKZNs

Hincapie the Yank overpowers Millar the Brit. This is key
because it puts Renshaw the Aussie in a position to chop
Dean's Kiwi ass. At that point it is over for Farrar, who
cannot even come around Cav's leadout guy.

And if anyone said anything nasty during that last kilo,
all parties would have understood it. How cool is that!

Anyone that appreciates a good chop should enjoy watching
the HTC leadout train.

Fred Flintstein

On Jul 15, 11:41*am, Uncle Dave wrote:
HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. *Not only did Renshaw deliver
his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
tell -

dumbass,

renshaw just got kicked out of the tour for his riding.

On Jul 15, 5:51*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Jul 15, 11:41*am, Uncle Dave wrote:

HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. *Not only did Renshaw deliver
his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
tell -

dumbass,

renshaw just got kicked out of the tour for his riding.

Commissaires American are they?

I must say I'm not surprised. Presumably for the post handbags switch
which was in the last 200 rather than the handbags episode itself?

UD

On Jul 15, 1:58*pm, Uncle Dave wrote:
On Jul 15, 5:51*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:

On Jul 15, 11:41*am, Uncle Dave wrote:

HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. *Not only did Renshaw deliver
his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
tell -

dumbass,

renshaw just got kicked out of the tour for his riding.

Commissaires American are they?


whatev, i'm not american. the chief commissaire is probably martin
bruin (it was last year), who is a very reasonable guy.

I must say I'm not surprised. *Presumably for the post handbags switch
which was in the last 200 rather than the handbags episode itself?

comes with the turf. anyone who takes part in bunch sprints will have
to do somewhat dicey things and once in a while they will get
penalized. that why the commissaires are there - to make the judgment
call.

if you remember our exchanges a few months ago, one of the things i
said i didn't like about sprints was the goonery.

On Jul 15, 1:14*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:
On Jul 15, 1:58*pm, Uncle Dave wrote:

On Jul 15, 5:51*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:

On Jul 15, 11:41*am, Uncle Dave wrote:

HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. *Not only did Renshaw deliver
his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
tell -

dumbass,

renshaw just got kicked out of the tour for his riding.

Commissaires American are they?

whatev, i'm not american. the chief commissaire is probably martin
bruin (it was last year), who is a very reasonable guy.

I must say I'm not surprised. *Presumably for the post handbags switch
which was in the last 200 rather than the handbags episode itself?

comes with the turf. anyone who takes part in bunch sprints will have
to do somewhat dicey things and once in a while they will get
penalized. that why the commissaires are there - to make the judgment
call.

if you remember our exchanges a few months ago, one of the things i
said i didn't like about sprints was the goonery.

I don't have a problem with the head butts. Contrary to the statement
from the race director, both riders were both stable and handling
their bikes and themselves well. However, the race official is not an
official and should not have any input on the matter. It shouldn't
have been considered as more than a little 'argy-bargy". Perhaps the
number of injuries in the Tour so far (caused by entirely different
circumstances, of course) has made the officials a little more gun shy
than they would be otherwise.

That said, if Renshaw was going to get penalized for something, it
should have been the way he obviously and blatantly shut the door on
Farrar. But even that shouldn't have merited a removal from the race.
But what penalty would have been suitable? Cav didn't do anything
wrong so you can't relegate his points. Renshaw doesn't care about his
placing or time. Most fines are pittances. Getting DSQ from the race
was too harsh for the infraction.

"Carl Sundquist" wrote in message
...


:: That said, if Renshaw was going to get penalized for something, it
:: should have been the way he obviously and blatantly shut the door on
:: Farrar.



Dumbass -

Agreed.

As for the head butt - why didn't he just elbow flick Dean? It would've been
more subtle and worked better.

thanks,

Kurgan. presented by Gringioni.

On Jul 16, 7:44*am, Carl Sundquist wrote:
On Jul 15, 1:14*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:





On Jul 15, 1:58*pm, Uncle Dave wrote:

On Jul 15, 5:51*pm, Amit Ghosh wrote:

On Jul 15, 11:41*am, Uncle Dave wrote:

HTC versus Garmin is Men against Boys. *Not only did Renshaw deliver
his man, he managed to do a good job of - legally as far as I could
tell -

dumbass,

renshaw just got kicked out of the tour for his riding.

Commissaires American are they?

whatev, i'm not american. the chief commissaire is probably martin
bruin (it was last year), who is a very reasonable guy.

I must say I'm not surprised. *Presumably for the post handbags switch
which was in the last 200 rather than the handbags episode itself?

comes with the turf. anyone who takes part in bunch sprints will have
to do somewhat dicey things and once in a while they will get
penalized. that why the commissaires are there - to make the judgment
call.

if you remember our exchanges a few months ago, one of the things i
said i didn't like about sprints was the goonery.

I don't have a problem with the head butts. Contrary to the statement
from the race director, both riders were both stable and handling
their bikes and themselves well. However, the race official is not an
official and should not have any input on the matter. It shouldn't
have been considered as more than a little 'argy-bargy". Perhaps the
number of injuries in the Tour so far (caused by entirely different
circumstances, of course) has made the officials a little more gun shy
than they would be otherwise.

That said, if Renshaw was going to get penalized for something, it
should have been the way he obviously and blatantly shut the door on
Farrar. But even that shouldn't have merited a removal from the race.
But what penalty would have been suitable? Cav didn't do anything
wrong so you can't relegate his points. Renshaw doesn't care about his
placing or time. Most fines are pittances. Getting DSQ from the race
was too harsh for the infraction.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

being a staunch kiwi supporter, I couldn't agree more.
Far too harsh a penalty; smacks of politics