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No Winner--Fixing the Tour
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20...no_winner.html
".......A partial return to national teams, as proposed by the Tour organisers? That might play its part, if only to rein in the rampant commercialism that has contributed to the current free-for-all, to make the point to professional teams that there is an alternative. Part of the problem, it seems, is that some teams think the race won't function without them. They need to get the message that it can. Next year, if the Tour organisers have any bottle, maybe it will. Putting on national colours won't stop doping just like that - Tom Simpson died in a GB jersey, lest we forget - but it would cut the ties with the doping infrastructure that must travel with some of the teams. Arguably, without the finance and the structure (doctors, couriers etc) it would be harder to dope. There are other measures: blood testing up to 30 minutes before the start. Ramping up out-of-competition tests. Hammering Wada to push through the human growth hormone test and a way of detecting heterologous blood transfusions. Appointing a neutral doping control officer-cum-detective to each team..........." |
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No Winner--Fixing the Tour
On Aug 1, 7:14 am, "B. Lafferty"
wrote: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20...s_tour_has_no_... ".......A partial return to national teams, as proposed by the Tour organisers? That might play its part, if only to rein in the rampant commercialism that has contributed to the current free-for-all, to make the point to professional teams that there is an alternative. Part of the problem, it seems, is that some teams think the race won't function without them. They need to get the message that it can. Next year, if the Tour organisers have any bottle, maybe it will. Putting on national colours won't stop doping just like that - Tom Simpson died in a GB jersey, lest we forget - but it would cut the ties with the doping infrastructure that must travel with some of the teams. Arguably, without the finance and the structure (doctors, couriers etc) it would be harder to dope. There are other measures: blood testing up to 30 minutes before the start. Ramping up out-of-competition tests. Hammering Wada to push through the human growth hormone test and a way of detecting heterologous blood transfusions. Appointing a neutral doping control officer-cum-detective to each team..........." Yep, ramapnt commercialism definitely drove the doping by the Chinese and E. German Olympic teams. There was definitely no organized infrastructure provided to those athletes. Once again we have a steaming pile of fertilizer being provided by the Guardian. Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission. Bill C |
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Bill C wrote:
Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission. Lenin is into formaldehyde. |
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No Winner--Fixing the Tour
"Donald Munro" wrote in message om... Bill C wrote: Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission. Lenin is into formaldehyde. And looks more like a Talosian than Rasmussen |
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No Winner--Fixing the Tour
Bill C wrote:
Yep, ramapnt commercialism definitely drove the doping by the Chinese and E. German Olympic teams. The US National team practiced blood doping (legal at the time) in the 1984 Olympics. There's no reason to believe national teams will do anything other than improve Italy's chances, finally. Dan |
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On Aug 1, 8:35 am, Dan Connelly
wrote: Bill C wrote: Yep, ramapnt commercialism definitely drove the doping by the Chinese and E. German Olympic teams. The US National team practiced blood doping (legal at the time) in the 1984 Olympics. There's no reason to believe national teams will do anything other than improve Italy's chances, finally. Dan Yep, they did. The idea that National teams are somehow more ethical than trade teams is ridiculous. Additionally, States have much larger resources to dedicate to making the doping more sophisticated, and defending their athletes. This got sent along to me and is better than the Guardian piece: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...ge=hill/070731 Bill C |
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Dan Connelly wrote:
There's no reason to believe national teams will do anything other than improve Italy's chances, finally. Italy will take over from Telekom as the most tactically astute team who never chase down their own riders. |
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No Winner--Fixing the Tour
"Bill C" wrote in message oups.com... On Aug 1, 7:14 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20...s_tour_has_no_... ".......A partial return to national teams, as proposed by the Tour organisers? That might play its part, if only to rein in the rampant commercialism that has contributed to the current free-for-all, to make the point to professional teams that there is an alternative. Part of the problem, it seems, is that some teams think the race won't function without them. They need to get the message that it can. Next year, if the Tour organisers have any bottle, maybe it will. Putting on national colours won't stop doping just like that - Tom Simpson died in a GB jersey, lest we forget - but it would cut the ties with the doping infrastructure that must travel with some of the teams. Arguably, without the finance and the structure (doctors, couriers etc) it would be harder to dope. There are other measures: blood testing up to 30 minutes before the start. Ramping up out-of-competition tests. Hammering Wada to push through the human growth hormone test and a way of detecting heterologous blood transfusions. Appointing a neutral doping control officer-cum-detective to each team..........." Yep, ramapnt commercialism definitely drove the doping by the Chinese and E. German Olympic teams. There was definitely no organized infrastructure provided to those athletes. In those systems, the state acts as a substitute for western commercialism. Foteringham said that national teams were only part of a possible solution. I think his point that national teams would make it more difficult (albeit, not impossible) logisticaly to dope is a good one. Combine that with on the line testing and other suggestions and you might have a decent start in a new ofensive against doping. To simply reject what WF writes because it is in the Guardian is beneath your reasoning abilty Bill. Once again we have a steaming pile of fertilizer being provided by the Guardian. Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission. I thought China was a laizze fair capitalist country. :-) Bill C |
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Dan Connelly wrote:
There's no reason to believe national teams will do anything other than improve Italy's chances, finally. It'd be a boon to the French regional teams. Bob Schwartz |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2007 13:06:18 GMT, "B. Lafferty"
wrote: "Bill C" wrote in message roups.com... On Aug 1, 7:14 am, "B. Lafferty" wrote: http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/20...s_tour_has_no_... ".......A partial return to national teams, as proposed by the Tour organisers? That might play its part, if only to rein in the rampant commercialism that has contributed to the current free-for-all, to make the point to professional teams that there is an alternative. Part of the problem, it seems, is that some teams think the race won't function without them. They need to get the message that it can. Next year, if the Tour organisers have any bottle, maybe it will. Putting on national colours won't stop doping just like that - Tom Simpson died in a GB jersey, lest we forget - but it would cut the ties with the doping infrastructure that must travel with some of the teams. Arguably, without the finance and the structure (doctors, couriers etc) it would be harder to dope. There are other measures: blood testing up to 30 minutes before the start. Ramping up out-of-competition tests. Hammering Wada to push through the human growth hormone test and a way of detecting heterologous blood transfusions. Appointing a neutral doping control officer-cum-detective to each team..........." Yep, ramapnt commercialism definitely drove the doping by the Chinese and E. German Olympic teams. There was definitely no organized infrastructure provided to those athletes. In those systems, the state acts as a substitute for western commercialism. Foteringham said that national teams were only part of a possible solution. I think his point that national teams would make it more difficult (albeit, not impossible) logisticaly to dope is a good one. Oh, bull****. If logistics were that big a hurdle jazz musicians would've had to cancel European tours. Combine that with on the line testing and other suggestions and you might have a decent start in a new ofensive against doping. To simply reject what WF writes because it is in the Guardian is beneath your reasoning abilty Bill. It's generally sensible to discount any opinion from them. I've marvelled at their ability to report and write well and then derive an ideologically sound conclusion that fails to follow the facts that were so well presented. In any case National teams ain't gonna fix it. About all it does is direct more power to ASO. THey have not been particularly deft in using what power they have. Ron Once again we have a steaming pile of fertilizer being provided by the Guardian. Then again the Guardian probably had no problem with the doping done for the glory of Socialism. Fits their world mission. I thought China was a laizze fair capitalist country. :-) Bill C |
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