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  #141  
Old May 2nd 19, 03:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2019-05-01 08:15, AMuzi wrote:
On 5/1/2019 9:46 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-30 17:28, John B. wrote:
rOn Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:14:17 -0700, Joerg


[...]


I don't bomb downhill on the MTB anymore. Too old for
that and seen too
many cases of the aftermath when it went wrong.

I do often get to 20mph on regular MTB trail sections and
since we have
rocks embedded in the ground that's hard on the bike.
Hence a FS MTB and
a home-built rack system because the commercial stuff
ain't good.

However, we were talking about road bike tires here and
there I always
go full close tilt unless I am distracted. For example by
aerobatics up
in the sky on Friday. That was worth seeing.

Full means a speed that I can hold for an hour or two,
not a speed where
my tongue hangs on the handlebar after 10mins. IOW the
speed tat gives
me the best time from A to Z, not just from A to B.

Hmmm... I've always thought "full speed" was the speed you
reached
when that big, bad, dog, came rushing out of the drive
with dinner on
his mind.

My experiences have been that one can reach some
astonishingly high
speeds in that event :-)



Depends on how you are with dogs. The last (really big) one
which looked similar to an Anatolian Shepherd eventually
stopped growling at me, sniffed my hand and then licked it.

My MTB buddy had an event of the other kind. Instead of a
dog a redneck came running out of a shed, all angry,
hollering obscenities, rifle in hand. That warranted a very
speedy departure.


really?
Those are actual crimes (assault, brandishing). Was a police report
filed? What came of it?


Nothing. It makes no sense to report such stuff out in the sticks where
the next sheriff is 2h away and no cell connection. Besides, do you
think the guy will admit to it? He'll deny everything (once he is sober
again).

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  #142  
Old May 2nd 19, 03:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2019-05-01 16:04, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 01 May 2019 07:46:35 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-30 17:28, John B. wrote:
rOn Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:14:17 -0700, Joerg


[...]


I don't bomb downhill on the MTB anymore. Too old for that and seen too
many cases of the aftermath when it went wrong.

I do often get to 20mph on regular MTB trail sections and since we have
rocks embedded in the ground that's hard on the bike. Hence a FS MTB and
a home-built rack system because the commercial stuff ain't good.

However, we were talking about road bike tires here and there I always
go full close tilt unless I am distracted. For example by aerobatics up
in the sky on Friday. That was worth seeing.

Full means a speed that I can hold for an hour or two, not a speed where
my tongue hangs on the handlebar after 10mins. IOW the speed tat gives
me the best time from A to Z, not just from A to B.

Hmmm... I've always thought "full speed" was the speed you reached
when that big, bad, dog, came rushing out of the drive with dinner on
his mind.

My experiences have been that one can reach some astonishingly high
speeds in that event :-)



Depends on how you are with dogs. The last (really big) one which looked
similar to an Anatolian Shepherd eventually stopped growling at me,
sniffed my hand and then licked it.

My MTB buddy had an event of the other kind. Instead of a dog a redneck
came running out of a shed, all angry, hollering obscenities, rifle in
hand. That warranted a very speedy departure.


Seriously? Or perhaps a better question was "what was your buddy doing
to cause some farmer to come roaring out of a shed with a gun"?
"hollering obscenities"?


He was merely following singletrack. We had a similar case here on the
El Dorado trail (MTB, hike and horse singletrack) where a landowner was
of the opinion that the 100 year old right-of-way does not apply near
his ranch. He kept the rifle on the rack though but rolled tree stumps
into the path with stern no-trespass warnings tacked on. When I reported
that I was told "Yeah, this guy is a bit belligerent, be careful when
you encounter him".


I used to go "prospecting" up in the mountains along the Yuba Rivers,
not that far from you, and I never had anyone come roaring out of a
shed after me. Of course I didn't go tromping through anyone's cash
crop, leave gates open, or any of the other foolishness that others
might do. And, if I did meet someone I used to stop, introduce myself,
tell them what I was doing "in this God Forsaken place" and even chat
a bit before I moved on.



Out here folks are more social. I was stopped by a guy when I realized
that I was indeed trespassing. The private property sign had fallen off
and no fence. After a brief chat he became friendly and even shared some
history about the old steam engine parts strewn across his property from
the gold rush days. Later I understoof why he was initially gruff. He
had a lot of squatters messing up his property in the past and the
clean-ups cost him serious money.

This is different in areas farther out, desert and stuff. Where the real
loners live, often seriously intoxicated by who knows what.

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  #143  
Old May 2nd 19, 03:42 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2019-05-01 16:10, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 01 May 2019 07:51:01 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-30 16:23, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 15:51:45 -0700, Joerg
wrote:


[...]


No, no, look at the positive side. I am getting free core muscle
training :-)

Or straining your back picking up the penny :-)



My lower back isn't that great but MTB riding actually helps it by
building up core muscle. Something none of the doctors ever told me.
Most likely they didn't even know such stuff.


Just about anything that exercises a muscle strengthens it. I suspect
that your doctor knew that.


No, I was told MTB riding is out. They also did not know that I had a
magnesium deficiency, all of them didn't. A CPA did. After his advice I
started taking supplement and that helped, big time.

It seems many medical doctors learn by rote and then whatever they
learned in school goes.


He probably also knew that suggesting that you did bending and
stretching exercises every day was an example of futility on his part
as almost everyone will ignore any suggestion to do anything that
smacks of "work".



Well, no, the first three docs were in Germany and those guys generally
do not subscribe to a sedentary lifestyle. One actually suggested
swimming which was good advice though that doesn't do much for the back
muscles. At least not as much as MTB riding. My back muscles have become
almost rock-hard after five years of riding.

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  #144  
Old May 2nd 19, 03:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2019-05-01 15:52, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 01 May 2019 07:55:26 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-30 16:35, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 15:54:35 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-30 15:14, wrote:
On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 4:35:24 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-29 16:02, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 07:16:27 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-28 15:07, John B. wrote:

[...]


I've been told that the cheap tires in Thailand all made from a
rubber mix that contains a lot of carbon black, which makes them
harder and they wear less and thus are very well regarded by those who
can't afford to buy tires frequently. Unfortunately hard tires also
"grip the road" less well and have minimal traction.


I do not need Tour de France level cornering performance and found them
to be quite adequate for riding. Especially the MTB tires because there
durability and sturdiness counts a lot more than sqeezing the last tenth
of an mph out of a ride.

On both the road bike and the MTB I want beefy sidewalls and so far
tires made in Thailand gave me that, plus a decent number of miles in
terms of wear.

I really don't understand this fetish with how many miles a bicycle
tire lasts. After all, compared to something like auto tires or egg
beaters they are pretty cheap.


How would you like it if you had to switch out the tires on your car
every 2500mi?

Besides, it ain't cheap:

1. SUV, four tires, $70 each so $280 total, 1st set lasted 70000mi and
still had half the tread. I only replaced them because they were around
15 years old.

2. Gatorskin, $45, lasted 2500mi at which point the tread surface was at
bare minimum.

3. Vittoria Zafiro, $13, 2000mi.

Want more? I trust you can do the math.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I don't remember those Zafiro's as having any armor layer.


They don't and I also ran them almost to the bone. Thanks to
thorn-resistant thick tubes plus a tire liners an armor layer is no
longer required on any of my bikes and I can squeeze out the last mile.

If you are so intent on saving the last penny why not just throw the
bicycle away and save all that money on tires. Walking is a far better
exercise, hour for hour, or mile for mile, than bicycling. Or even
jogging or running. A half marathon on Sundays is good exercise.

P.S. You don't even need shoes. Zola Budd broke the world record in
the women's 5000 meters running barefooted.



I walk our dogs every day, about 2mi. So that's around 700mi/year and I
used to wear out one pair of sports shoes per year. It didn't matter
whether they were $70 name brand of $20 non-name so now I always by
no-name. Good sandals are much better, last years, so I wear those most
of the time. However, walking isn't an option if you have to go
someplace 25-30mi away from here. I wouldn't even be back home for dinner.


Bare foot is the think. Sort of a self replenishing thing, the more
you walk the thicker the sole gets. And that isn't a folk story. When
I worked in the remote areas of Indonesia where the people didn't have
shoes I've seen some of our local hire laborers walk around on a steel
barge deck, in the hot sun, with no apparent discomfort.


Same in Africa. That's not necessarily healthy.


But having said that let me tell you that nobody who actually walks
for a living, so to speak, wears "sports shoes" they wear "Army
Boots".



I have seen a photo of a telephone company crew member in Asia climb a
power pole and crawl along a bundle of overhead telecom wires, in rubber
flip-flops. No fall gear.

--
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  #145  
Old May 2nd 19, 05:31 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2019-05-01 08:33, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 3:54:31 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-30 15:14,
wrote:
On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 4:35:24 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-29 16:02, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 07:16:27 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-28 15:07, John B. wrote:


[...]


I've been told that the cheap tires in Thailand all made
from a rubber mix that contains a lot of carbon black,
which makes them harder and they wear less and thus are
very well regarded by those who can't afford to buy tires
frequently. Unfortunately hard tires also "grip the road"
less well and have minimal traction.


I do not need Tour de France level cornering performance
and found them to be quite adequate for riding. Especially
the MTB tires because there durability and sturdiness
counts a lot more than sqeezing the last tenth of an mph
out of a ride.

On both the road bike and the MTB I want beefy sidewalls
and so far tires made in Thailand gave me that, plus a
decent number of miles in terms of wear.

I really don't understand this fetish with how many miles a
bicycle tire lasts. After all, compared to something like
auto tires or egg beaters they are pretty cheap.


How would you like it if you had to switch out the tires on
your car every 2500mi?

Besides, it ain't cheap:

1. SUV, four tires, $70 each so $280 total, 1st set lasted
70000mi and still had half the tread. I only replaced them
because they were around 15 years old.

2. Gatorskin, $45, lasted 2500mi at which point the tread
surface was at bare minimum.

3. Vittoria Zafiro, $13, 2000mi.

Want more? I trust you can do the math.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I don't remember those Zafiro's as having any armor layer.


They don't and I also ran them almost to the bone. Thanks to
thorn-resistant thick tubes plus a tire liners an armor layer is
no longer required on any of my bikes and I can squeeze out the
last mile.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


I did a nonstop 50 miles yesterday and almost 5,000 feet of climbing.
The roads used to be bad but now they are failing or on the very
verge. Riding down from Proctor to the golf course there are potholes
everywhere.



That's Jerry Brown's gas tax increase working for ya. Not. It's the
usual, the money gets siphoned off and in the end just helps stuff their
fat pensions. Similar to the high speed rail, a union boondoggle.


... I had two SOB's in the group that rode by of either side
of me so that I could not turn away from the potholes. It this is
what the group has become, I will cease riding with the group.



My max group size is five and we never ride paceline. Ever. On flat
stretches we usually cruise at 17-19mph and discuss stuff, trying to
solve all the policical problems of the world. Or tricks how to make
Linux work, et cetera.


... They
also decided to have coffee at the Clairmont Hotel. Riding DOWN Ashby
Ave. to the Clairmont is fine. But coming back up is really
dangerous. Ashby turns into Freeway 13 and where you have to turn
left the cars are trying to speed up to Freeway speeds. That they
would plan a ride like that is not surprising since there seems to be
a lack of thinking in that group all around.


I prefer to use my car on such routes though I don't mind the occasional
nasty lane ride if it is brief. Most other riders I know refuse though
so we can't go those routes or they want to walk it through via
pedestrian crossings and that takes forever.


So I continued up Tunnel road as they all went down Ashby. I had some
Propel in my water bottle and that was my complete sustenance. It was
far colder than I was dressed for. The glove on my left hand pinched
off circulation until I had to remove the glove. Then it was so cold
that the hand wouldn't recover.


Cold? For me to get cold it has to drop to 35F or less.


Got home and was pulling across the lawn and the tire caught in a
groove between the lawn and the pavement and I went down at nearly a
dead stop. That REALLY ****ed me off.


Oh yeah, those things are irritating to no end. Like when one in our
group, a real cycling pro, got out of his lock pedals a few milliseconds
too late and fell from standstill into a nasty rock pile. That drew some
blood.


But since I did the ride on the Basso, I shouldn't have any trouble
completing the Grizzly Peak Century Sunday since it has three rest
stops along the way and two of them are really good.



You mean, there is a brewpub? :-)


... Hopefully the
roads won't be as bad on that course as yesterday. They will have 76
miles and 6,000 ft of climbing. And since I have some home
improvements going in today and have been getting junl out of the way
I tripped across a good set of Bolle glasses that I can use. Thank
the lord and pass the ammunition. The set I've been using is now
scratched to the point that I can barely read the Speedo.


My dollar store glasses broke after only two years. Unbelievable! So now
I have a brand new $1 pair.


I've tried the cheap Chinese sunglasses and while the lenses are OK
they are half the size needed. Or they pull against your eyebrows so
that sweat drips across them and blocks your vision. And Oakley's are
WAY too expensive. A set of Oakley prescription - $700 here in
California.


I've got some with see-through side covers as a gift from a friend.
Though I can only use them on very sunny days because of the heavy gray
tint. On overcast days I prefer the amber kind which even enhances the
contrast.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
  #146  
Old May 2nd 19, 07:48 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 9:31:43 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-05-01 08:33, wrote:
On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 3:54:31 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-30 15:14,
wrote:
On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 4:35:24 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2019-04-29 16:02, John B. wrote:
On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 07:16:27 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-28 15:07, John B. wrote:

[...]


I've been told that the cheap tires in Thailand all made
from a rubber mix that contains a lot of carbon black,
which makes them harder and they wear less and thus are
very well regarded by those who can't afford to buy tires
frequently. Unfortunately hard tires also "grip the road"
less well and have minimal traction.


I do not need Tour de France level cornering performance
and found them to be quite adequate for riding. Especially
the MTB tires because there durability and sturdiness
counts a lot more than sqeezing the last tenth of an mph
out of a ride.

On both the road bike and the MTB I want beefy sidewalls
and so far tires made in Thailand gave me that, plus a
decent number of miles in terms of wear.

I really don't understand this fetish with how many miles a
bicycle tire lasts. After all, compared to something like
auto tires or egg beaters they are pretty cheap.


How would you like it if you had to switch out the tires on
your car every 2500mi?

Besides, it ain't cheap:

1. SUV, four tires, $70 each so $280 total, 1st set lasted
70000mi and still had half the tread. I only replaced them
because they were around 15 years old.

2. Gatorskin, $45, lasted 2500mi at which point the tread
surface was at bare minimum.

3. Vittoria Zafiro, $13, 2000mi.

Want more? I trust you can do the math.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

I don't remember those Zafiro's as having any armor layer.


They don't and I also ran them almost to the bone. Thanks to
thorn-resistant thick tubes plus a tire liners an armor layer is
no longer required on any of my bikes and I can squeeze out the
last mile.

-- Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


I did a nonstop 50 miles yesterday and almost 5,000 feet of climbing.
The roads used to be bad but now they are failing or on the very
verge. Riding down from Proctor to the golf course there are potholes
everywhere.



That's Jerry Brown's gas tax increase working for ya. Not. It's the
usual, the money gets siphoned off and in the end just helps stuff their
fat pensions. Similar to the high speed rail, a union boondoggle.


... I had two SOB's in the group that rode by of either side
of me so that I could not turn away from the potholes. It this is
what the group has become, I will cease riding with the group.



My max group size is five and we never ride paceline. Ever. On flat
stretches we usually cruise at 17-19mph and discuss stuff, trying to
solve all the policical problems of the world. Or tricks how to make
Linux work, et cetera.


... They
also decided to have coffee at the Clairmont Hotel. Riding DOWN Ashby
Ave. to the Clairmont is fine. But coming back up is really
dangerous. Ashby turns into Freeway 13 and where you have to turn
left the cars are trying to speed up to Freeway speeds. That they
would plan a ride like that is not surprising since there seems to be
a lack of thinking in that group all around.


I prefer to use my car on such routes though I don't mind the occasional
nasty lane ride if it is brief. Most other riders I know refuse though
so we can't go those routes or they want to walk it through via
pedestrian crossings and that takes forever.


So I continued up Tunnel road as they all went down Ashby. I had some
Propel in my water bottle and that was my complete sustenance. It was
far colder than I was dressed for. The glove on my left hand pinched
off circulation until I had to remove the glove. Then it was so cold
that the hand wouldn't recover.


Cold? For me to get cold it has to drop to 35F or less.


Got home and was pulling across the lawn and the tire caught in a
groove between the lawn and the pavement and I went down at nearly a
dead stop. That REALLY ****ed me off.


Oh yeah, those things are irritating to no end. Like when one in our
group, a real cycling pro, got out of his lock pedals a few milliseconds
too late and fell from standstill into a nasty rock pile. That drew some
blood.


But since I did the ride on the Basso, I shouldn't have any trouble
completing the Grizzly Peak Century Sunday since it has three rest
stops along the way and two of them are really good.



You mean, there is a brewpub? :-)


... Hopefully the
roads won't be as bad on that course as yesterday. They will have 76
miles and 6,000 ft of climbing. And since I have some home
improvements going in today and have been getting junl out of the way
I tripped across a good set of Bolle glasses that I can use. Thank
the lord and pass the ammunition. The set I've been using is now
scratched to the point that I can barely read the Speedo.


My dollar store glasses broke after only two years. Unbelievable! So now
I have a brand new $1 pair.


I've tried the cheap Chinese sunglasses and while the lenses are OK
they are half the size needed. Or they pull against your eyebrows so
that sweat drips across them and blocks your vision. And Oakley's are
WAY too expensive. A set of Oakley prescription - $700 here in
California.


I've got some with see-through side covers as a gift from a friend.
Though I can only use them on very sunny days because of the heavy gray
tint. On overcast days I prefer the amber kind which even enhances the
contrast.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/


No brewpubs and now my brother isn't going to be riding with me. His son is back on hard drugs and the car he bought him with a little help from me is supposedly stolen but I think the kid sold it for drug money. The kid has also been thrown out of his shelter.

So brother got into an argument with me and doesn't want to ride. I can understand the stresses he is under. My younger brother only two years younger than me killed himself with heart failure from using drugs. My youngest brother swore that he would never let himself get in the same position my father was in always doing anything and everything he could do for David. And here he is in the same damn position.

The stress is so high that he is arguing with me about the names of street names here. His "Portuguese friends" straighten out his pronunciation. They must have originated in Mexico though since they were all using Spanish pronunciation.

Portuguese pronunciation is very English sounding since Portugal is a combination of Celts, Galatians and Romans. Two "L"s sounds like an LH. Or in common use a single L. Not at all like the Spanish "y".

Maybe I shouldn't have pressed that issue. He's getting pretty tired of being wrong about everything since the kid just exploded yet again.
  #147  
Old May 2nd 19, 11:19 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 02 May 2019 07:35:44 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-05-01 16:04, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 01 May 2019 07:46:35 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-30 17:28, John B. wrote:
rOn Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:14:17 -0700, Joerg

[...]


I don't bomb downhill on the MTB anymore. Too old for that and seen too
many cases of the aftermath when it went wrong.

I do often get to 20mph on regular MTB trail sections and since we have
rocks embedded in the ground that's hard on the bike. Hence a FS MTB and
a home-built rack system because the commercial stuff ain't good.

However, we were talking about road bike tires here and there I always
go full close tilt unless I am distracted. For example by aerobatics up
in the sky on Friday. That was worth seeing.

Full means a speed that I can hold for an hour or two, not a speed where
my tongue hangs on the handlebar after 10mins. IOW the speed tat gives
me the best time from A to Z, not just from A to B.

Hmmm... I've always thought "full speed" was the speed you reached
when that big, bad, dog, came rushing out of the drive with dinner on
his mind.

My experiences have been that one can reach some astonishingly high
speeds in that event :-)


Depends on how you are with dogs. The last (really big) one which looked
similar to an Anatolian Shepherd eventually stopped growling at me,
sniffed my hand and then licked it.

My MTB buddy had an event of the other kind. Instead of a dog a redneck
came running out of a shed, all angry, hollering obscenities, rifle in
hand. That warranted a very speedy departure.


Seriously? Or perhaps a better question was "what was your buddy doing
to cause some farmer to come roaring out of a shed with a gun"?
"hollering obscenities"?


He was merely following singletrack. We had a similar case here on the
El Dorado trail (MTB, hike and horse singletrack) where a landowner was
of the opinion that the 100 year old right-of-way does not apply near
his ranch. He kept the rifle on the rack though but rolled tree stumps
into the path with stern no-trespass warnings tacked on. When I reported
that I was told "Yeah, this guy is a bit belligerent, be careful when
you encounter him".

But, you are living in California where not that long go a guy used a
saw to attack bicyclists who he didn't want to access a trail.

But perhaps more to the point is there actually a legal right of way
over that prosperity? The fact that people have been crossing a
property may, or may not denote a right to continue to cross that
property. I know that in New Hampshire the fact that there is a road
or path across privately owned land exists does not denote a right to
use that road or path. There was a rather famous case in the town I
grew up in where the owner of a piece of land closed a road leading to
the Town's water reservoir over an argument with the Roads department.
No problem, public domain, benefit of the majority, etc. But when it
got down to a trial it was discovered that there is no "right", in New
Hampshire, to cross private property. In each case an "easement" must
exist to allow a "right" to exist to cross said property.

I used to go "prospecting" up in the mountains along the Yuba Rivers,
not that far from you, and I never had anyone come roaring out of a
shed after me. Of course I didn't go tromping through anyone's cash
crop, leave gates open, or any of the other foolishness that others
might do. And, if I did meet someone I used to stop, introduce myself,
tell them what I was doing "in this God Forsaken place" and even chat
a bit before I moved on.


Out here folks are more social. I was stopped by a guy when I realized
that I was indeed trespassing. The private property sign had fallen off
and no fence. After a brief chat he became friendly and even shared some
history about the old steam engine parts strewn across his property from
the gold rush days. Later I understoof why he was initially gruff. He
had a lot of squatters messing up his property in the past and the
clean-ups cost him serious money.

A great many people get upset about people just assuming a "right" to
go on their property and in nearly all cases it is because of the
actions of those people, not because the land owner is a miserable
scrooge.

This is different in areas farther out, desert and stuff. Where the real
loners live, often seriously intoxicated by who knows what.

--
cheers,

John B.

  #148  
Old May 2nd 19, 11:30 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thu, 02 May 2019 07:42:23 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-05-01 16:10, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 01 May 2019 07:51:01 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-30 16:23, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 15:51:45 -0700, Joerg
wrote:


[...]


No, no, look at the positive side. I am getting free core muscle
training :-)

Or straining your back picking up the penny :-)


My lower back isn't that great but MTB riding actually helps it by
building up core muscle. Something none of the doctors ever told me.
Most likely they didn't even know such stuff.


Just about anything that exercises a muscle strengthens it. I suspect
that your doctor knew that.


No, I was told MTB riding is out. They also did not know that I had a
magnesium deficiency, all of them didn't. A CPA did. After his advice I
started taking supplement and that helped, big time.


And how did this CPA determine that you had a magnesium deficiency?
did he do tests?

It seems many medical doctors learn by rote and then whatever they
learned in school goes.

Of course they learn by rote. Just as you did. Watts are volts times
amps, or did you discover that by experiment and your name is "James"?

He probably also knew that suggesting that you did bending and
stretching exercises every day was an example of futility on his part
as almost everyone will ignore any suggestion to do anything that
smacks of "work".


Well, no, the first three docs were in Germany and those guys generally
do not subscribe to a sedentary lifestyle. One actually suggested
swimming which was good advice though that doesn't do much for the back
muscles. At least not as much as MTB riding. My back muscles have become
almost rock-hard after five years of riding.


They would have become "rock hard" from lifting weights also. Did you
try that as part of a regimented exercise plan?

But this rock hardness must be a recent phenomena as it wasn't more
than a year ago that you wrote that you had to have a bike with rear
suspension because of your "bad back".
--
cheers,

John B.

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Old May 2nd 19, 11:46 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2019-05-02 15:19, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 02 May 2019 07:35:44 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-05-01 16:04, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 01 May 2019 07:46:35 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-30 17:28, John B. wrote:
rOn Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:14:17 -0700, Joerg

[...]


I don't bomb downhill on the MTB anymore. Too old for that and seen too
many cases of the aftermath when it went wrong.

I do often get to 20mph on regular MTB trail sections and since we have
rocks embedded in the ground that's hard on the bike. Hence a FS MTB and
a home-built rack system because the commercial stuff ain't good.

However, we were talking about road bike tires here and there I always
go full close tilt unless I am distracted. For example by aerobatics up
in the sky on Friday. That was worth seeing.

Full means a speed that I can hold for an hour or two, not a speed where
my tongue hangs on the handlebar after 10mins. IOW the speed tat gives
me the best time from A to Z, not just from A to B.

Hmmm... I've always thought "full speed" was the speed you reached
when that big, bad, dog, came rushing out of the drive with dinner on
his mind.

My experiences have been that one can reach some astonishingly high
speeds in that event :-)


Depends on how you are with dogs. The last (really big) one which looked
similar to an Anatolian Shepherd eventually stopped growling at me,
sniffed my hand and then licked it.

My MTB buddy had an event of the other kind. Instead of a dog a redneck
came running out of a shed, all angry, hollering obscenities, rifle in
hand. That warranted a very speedy departure.

Seriously? Or perhaps a better question was "what was your buddy doing
to cause some farmer to come roaring out of a shed with a gun"?
"hollering obscenities"?


He was merely following singletrack. We had a similar case here on the
El Dorado trail (MTB, hike and horse singletrack) where a landowner was
of the opinion that the 100 year old right-of-way does not apply near
his ranch. He kept the rifle on the rack though but rolled tree stumps
into the path with stern no-trespass warnings tacked on. When I reported
that I was told "Yeah, this guy is a bit belligerent, be careful when
you encounter him".

But, you are living in California where not that long go a guy used a
saw to attack bicyclists who he didn't want to access a trail.

But perhaps more to the point is there actually a legal right of way
over that prosperity?



There is. More than 100 years old.


... The fact that people have been crossing a
property may, or may not denote a right to continue to cross that
property. I know that in New Hampshire the fact that there is a road
or path across privately owned land exists does not denote a right to
use that road or path. There was a rather famous case in the town I
grew up in where the owner of a piece of land closed a road leading to
the Town's water reservoir over an argument with the Roads department.
No problem, public domain, benefit of the majority, etc. But when it
got down to a trial it was discovered that there is no "right", in New
Hampshire, to cross private property. In each case an "easement" must
exist to allow a "right" to exist to cross said property.


This easement is in place almost since Wyatt Earp roamed the lands. It
is a railroad right of way which extends well beyond that singletrack.
This is why the farm and ranch fences are 50 yards or so from the
tracks. This rancher thought he could claw that all back by force and
without legal right. He seems to have sobered up about it, or maybe just
got old and frail.

Also, that is such a remote stretch of trail that I have never seen
trash or remnants of homeless camps. In fact, it is rare to see any
human being out there.


I used to go "prospecting" up in the mountains along the Yuba Rivers,
not that far from you, and I never had anyone come roaring out of a
shed after me. Of course I didn't go tromping through anyone's cash
crop, leave gates open, or any of the other foolishness that others
might do. And, if I did meet someone I used to stop, introduce myself,
tell them what I was doing "in this God Forsaken place" and even chat
a bit before I moved on.


Out here folks are more social. I was stopped by a guy when I realized
that I was indeed trespassing. The private property sign had fallen off
and no fence. After a brief chat he became friendly and even shared some
history about the old steam engine parts strewn across his property from
the gold rush days. Later I understoof why he was initially gruff. He
had a lot of squatters messing up his property in the past and the
clean-ups cost him serious money.

A great many people get upset about people just assuming a "right" to
go on their property and in nearly all cases it is because of the
actions of those people, not because the land owner is a miserable
scrooge.


Yes, a certain kind of people. It's not just squatters, also druggies
and careless people who leave a lot of trash behind or worst case a fire.

--
Regards, Joerg

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Old May 2nd 19, 11:55 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2019-05-02 15:30, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 02 May 2019 07:42:23 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-05-01 16:10, John B. wrote:
On Wed, 01 May 2019 07:51:01 -0700, Joerg
wrote:

On 2019-04-30 16:23, John B. wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 15:51:45 -0700, Joerg
wrote:


[...]


No, no, look at the positive side. I am getting free core muscle
training :-)

Or straining your back picking up the penny :-)


My lower back isn't that great but MTB riding actually helps it by
building up core muscle. Something none of the doctors ever told me.
Most likely they didn't even know such stuff.

Just about anything that exercises a muscle strengthens it. I suspect
that your doctor knew that.


No, I was told MTB riding is out. They also did not know that I had a
magnesium deficiency, all of them didn't. A CPA did. After his advice I
started taking supplement and that helped, big time.


And how did this CPA determine that you had a magnesium deficiency?
did he do tests?



He listened carefully to my description of all the symptoms, asking in
detail about my dietary habits, then he said that a magnesium deficiency
is quite likely. And bingo, he was correct. Now why didn't any of the
medical professionals ask those questions? Well, we all know why.


It seems many medical doctors learn by rote and then whatever they
learned in school goes.

Of course they learn by rote. Just as you did.



I did not. In fact, I rarely went to the auditorium at the university.


... Watts are volts times
amps, or did you discover that by experiment and your name is "James"?


Practicing ham radio for the most part, building much of my gear. Also
by earning money on the side repairing TVs, radios, tape recorders,
two-ray radios and so on.

Engineers who learned by rote usually can't think outside the box. I get
paid for doing just that.


He probably also knew that suggesting that you did bending and
stretching exercises every day was an example of futility on his part
as almost everyone will ignore any suggestion to do anything that
smacks of "work".


Well, no, the first three docs were in Germany and those guys generally
do not subscribe to a sedentary lifestyle. One actually suggested
swimming which was good advice though that doesn't do much for the back
muscles. At least not as much as MTB riding. My back muscles have become
almost rock-hard after five years of riding.


They would have become "rock hard" from lifting weights also. Did you
try that as part of a regimented exercise plan?


That is poison for someone with compromised L4,5,6 discs.


But this rock hardness must be a recent phenomena as it wasn't more
than a year ago that you wrote that you had to have a bike with rear
suspension because of your "bad back".



That's because of my damaged discs. Shocks are not good for those, hence
I need a FS MTB. Else I'd have to ride standing in the pedals much of
the time.

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Regards, Joerg

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