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  #21  
Old September 15th 06, 05:32 PM posted to nyc.bicycles,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,nyc.general
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Gary L. Burnore wrote in news:eeehd9$kc3$5
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On 15 Sep 2006 06:55:18 -0700, "Lucky07" top
posted like an ignorant ****ing moron and wrote:

Should, bicyclists wear helmets? In my opinion, yes. But that's a
choice.


It SHOULD be a choice. HelmetNazis don't think it should just as
Motorcycle HelmetNazis don't think it should.


Since people who want all bicyclists to wear helmets are HelmetNazis, just
what slur do you use for people who insist minor are the only ones who
should be compelled to wear helmets when cycling?

Child Molestors?

And what do you call the parents who break that law and don't even provide
a helmet for their children?

Perhaps it would make more sense if you changed your diatribes to address
HelmetFundies instead of HelmetNazis?

Especially when it's the people hereabouts who only have to doff a
motorcycle helmet upon crossing state lines who normally have a coal
scuttle/Nazi helmet in reserve.
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Old September 15th 06, 07:04 PM posted to nyc.bicycles,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,nyc.general
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:34:10 -0400, Gary L. Burnore
wrote:

On 15 Sep 2006 07:16:51 -0700, "NYC XYZ"
wrote:



In some cases, yes. But then there are cyclists who make it bad for
the rest of us by doing stupid things like stopping traffic and not
obeying traffic laws. You one of those? I'm not.


I run red lights, or more exactly, proceed carefully through them. It
takes me 1:15 to get to work as it is. The lights are not timed for
me, they're timed for cars. If I had to stop and wait at every red
light I hit, I would not be able to commute by bike.

Most streets around me are one way, which makes it much easier to
proceed through the lights.

I always thought that equating cars with bikes was stupid. I'm not a
car, I can't accelerate like a car, nor hit the speed of a car. Not
even in the city. I have never hit 30mph and likely never will. So why
should I be stuck waiting for lights that are synchronized for 35mph?
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Old September 15th 06, 07:07 PM posted to nyc.bicycles,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,nyc.general
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On 15 Sep 2006 07:26:39 -0700, "NYC XYZ"
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wrote:


Wait a minute! You live in NYC, ride a 'bent and are NOT a liberal?!?
Don't burst my bubble like that. I enjoy my stereotyped world.

;-)

Joseph



Are you kidding; the only liberals in this town are the chattering
classes when they're at work. At home and at play they're less liberal
than you might think.


What's a chattering class?
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Old September 15th 06, 07:18 PM posted to nyc.bicycles,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,nyc.general
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dgk wrote:
On 15 Sep 2006 07:26:39 -0700, "NYC XYZ"
wrote:


wrote:


Wait a minute! You live in NYC, ride a 'bent and are NOT a liberal?!?
Don't burst my bubble like that. I enjoy my stereotyped world.

;-)

Joseph



Are you kidding; the only liberals in this town are the chattering
classes when they're at work. At home and at play they're less liberal
than you might think.


What's a chattering class?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattering_classes

In other words, someone who doesn't turn a wrench, or carry boxes for a
living, yet professes to know what is best for those who do (and
everyone else for that matter...).

Joseph

PS: I'm just stoking the flames on what is aready an out of control
thread.

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Old September 15th 06, 07:22 PM posted to nyc.bicycles,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,nyc.general
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dgk wrote:


What's a chattering class?




Lawyers, writers, professors, people who deal with words a lot.

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Old September 15th 06, 07:24 PM posted to nyc.bicycles,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,nyc.general
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Gary L. Burnore wrote:


No? Never been behind one who runs straight through an intersection
without stopping or turns in front of you with out signalling?


Of course, but there are far many more pedestrians that do this (as
inexplicable as it is -- people get killed right in the middle of the
street all the time, and I'm not sure at whom to marvel at more, the
ped or the driver). Right-of-way is not conditional. The roads are
ours. We choose to share it with motorists, not the other way around.
If we wish to exercise an "executive priviledge" of sorts every now and
then, well, I don't see why not. As it is, motorists do far worse over
half the time anyway.

No, they're not. Not by law. Not by custom. Not by fact.


The law is stupid, so let's not even go there. It is truly the
handmaiden of power, and changes underwear every now and then.

In fact, bicyclists are just pedestrians on wheels. Roller-bladers are
right after us, then the joggers, then the lil' old ladies with the
grocery carts.

Then you're simply a moron.


Your mother what?

Nope. Roads belong to the public. ALL of the public. Not just you.


The roads belong to pedestrians. Even a fat-**** like you gets taken
out for a walk every now and then, I'm sure.

In a few cases yes, in a few cases no.


Always. In fact, you can't just run over someone even if they are in
the middle of an eight-lane highway!

In some cases, yes. But then there are cyclists who make it bad for
the rest of us by doing stupid things like stopping traffic and not
obeying traffic laws. You one of those? I'm not.


I don't even wear a helmet. I simply go where I may.

**** traffic laws. Motorists certainly do. I recognize no authority
other than physics and my own common sense. It's blatantly ludicrous
to imagine bicyclists in the same league as cars. Absurd! Ridiculous!
Utterly liberal!

moron.


Go, child: may you meet the road at the end of a very red semi.

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Old September 15th 06, 07:28 PM posted to nyc.bicycles,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,nyc.general
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Bill Sornson wrote:
Gary L. Burnore wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 15:07:10 GMT, "Bill Sornson" wrote:

Gary L. Burnore wrote:
On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 04:50:24 GMT, (Bill
Z.) wrote:

Nobody is claiming that helmets are a panacea, but they are useful.

Lots of people are.

Name a few.


From congresscritters to lobyists, lots of people are.


Just as I thought. If you find someone who "claim(s) that helmets are a
panacea", then let us know who it is. (By name.)


I don't really follow football, but I bet the QB in Pittsburgh who got
smacked this summer wishes he was wearing a helmet. He was on a
motorcycle, but once you go airborne it doesn't really matter how you
got that way. It isn't the falling that hurts you, it is the landing.

As an aside, many helmets are not used correctly and therefore have
their safety compromized. They are really "one use" items. If you
bonk your head or even drop the helmet, its time for a new one. For a
big, expensive, well made motorcycle helmet that is worlds better than
a styrofoam bicycle helmet, if you hit the road or even drop it from
waist high, you are supposed to send it back to the company x-raying or
inspection. Otherwise it might split or do something nasty on the next
time you need it.

So here is my thought on bicycle helmets. For low-speed, "minor"
accidents they distribute some force over a larger area and keep you
from getting road rash. When they earn their keep is in accidents that
demolish the styrofoam instead of your head. But it doesn't take muc
more force than that to go beyond what the helmet can protect you from.
So I'm sure they work, but there a small zone between need a helmet
and too much force for the helmet.

For people who like helmets and believe in them, you could always hedge
your bets by wearing a light motorcycle helmet.

  #30  
Old September 15th 06, 07:44 PM posted to nyc.bicycles,alt.planning.urban,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.bicycles.misc,nyc.general
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Another totally out of control thread on helmets again.
Every year.
Go ride, with or without. You are doing more harm sitting and typing
than you know and need a good ride with or without a brain bucket to go
clear your collective heads.
Bill Baka
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