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Old April 14th 21, 05:16 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG
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Old April 14th 21, 05:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.
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Old April 14th 21, 07:22 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/14/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG



For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.



"later in life"



How late? That image is my very own bionic upgrade from
2006. After the first year I don't even notice it. Same
experience for me in every stainless bone patch.


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Old April 14th 21, 07:24 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.


That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old April 14th 21, 08:11 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.


That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put.
-- Jay Beattie.


This is suppose to be a cycling technology newsgroup. Should you be
getting the latest technology such as titanium or carbon fiber?

"Biomechanics of bone-fracture fixation by stiffness-graded
plates in comparison with stainless-steel plates"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1192810/

Or, maybe go high tech and have the bones stitched back together?

"New surgical techniques - stitching up bones"
https://www.dw.com/en/new-surgical-techniques-stitching-up-bones/av-17997929




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Old April 14th 21, 08:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 4/14/2021 2:24 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.


That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put.


Wow. I'm completely non-bionic.


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- Frank Krygowski
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Old April 14th 21, 08:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Mark J.
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On 4/14/2021 12:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.


That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put.
-- Jay Beattie.


This is suppose to be a cycling technology newsgroup. Should you be
getting the latest technology such as titanium or carbon fiber?

"Biomechanics of bone-fracture fixation by stiffness-graded
plates in comparison with stainless-steel plates"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1192810/

Or, maybe go high tech and have the bones stitched back together?

"New surgical techniques - stitching up bones"
https://www.dw.com/en/new-surgical-techniques-stitching-up-bones/av-17997929


Jay didn't say that his hardware *wasn't* titanium. I think it's pretty
commonly used, but I could be wrong. I'm saying that based on a tour
some 15 years ago that my brother gave me of the orthopedic
rod/plate/screw manufacturing facility where he worked, but the details
are foggy. What I really remember were the *extensive* quality-control
requirements.

Mark J.
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Old April 14th 21, 09:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
JBeattie
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 12:45:32 PM UTC-7, Mark J. wrote:
On 4/14/2021 12:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.


That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting.. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put.
-- Jay Beattie.


This is suppose to be a cycling technology newsgroup. Should you be
getting the latest technology such as titanium or carbon fiber?

"Biomechanics of bone-fracture fixation by stiffness-graded
plates in comparison with stainless-steel plates"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1192810/

Or, maybe go high tech and have the bones stitched back together?

"New surgical techniques - stitching up bones"
https://www.dw.com/en/new-surgical-techniques-stitching-up-bones/av-17997929

Jay didn't say that his hardware *wasn't* titanium. I think it's pretty
commonly used, but I could be wrong. I'm saying that based on a tour
some 15 years ago that my brother gave me of the orthopedic
rod/plate/screw manufacturing facility where he worked, but the details
are foggy. What I really remember were the *extensive* quality-control
requirements.

Mark J.


My removed plate and screws were SS. I think Ti is more common for implants. My IM nail (rod) may be Ti. There is ton of QC on these things and they have to receive FDA approval under Medical Device Act, which is typically 510(k) approval, a much shorter process for new iterations of common products. Bad designs still creep through, as you can tell from all the class action ads.

-- Jay Beattie.

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Old April 14th 21, 09:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 1:24:16 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.

That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put.

-- Jay Beattie.


If Hollywood ever comes out with another Ironman or Robocop movie, they need to just drive to the next state up for the actor. No costume people needed.
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Old April 14th 21, 09:43 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 2:11:50 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 11:24:15 -0700 (PDT), jbeattie
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:41:32 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 9:16:26 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
https://www.corriere.it/sport/21_apr...e940a2d0.shtml

Broken wrist. I did not recognize the term 'osteosynthesis
surgery' but that means something like 'patch':

http://www.yellowjersey.org/WRISTNU.JPG
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
For that wrist to work normally without pain they have to remove all of that metal and all four screws or else arthritis will occur later in life.. Nibali isn't a spring chicken and should have known a lot better than trying to catch himself with this hand rather than just using them to deflect himself into a rollover.


That's not true. Hardware usually stays in unless it becomes infected or causes mechanical pain. Hardware may limit movement for a variety of reasons, but it does not cause arthritis (absent infection). In fact, there is a lower rate of arthritis with ORIF than with closed reduction and casting. I had the plate and screws in my right ankle removed because they were misplaced, and pressure from my ski boot caused the screw heads to pop through my skin and bleed. I was the orthopedic Jesus with my ankle stigmata. I have a rod in my right tibia and broke a locking screw and had that removed, too. I still have the rod. I have well installed plate in my left ankle that will remain there until death. I have a tiny plate and screws in my hand that will also stay put.
-- Jay Beattie.

This is suppose to be a cycling technology newsgroup. Should you be
getting the latest technology such as titanium or carbon fiber?
--
Jeff Liebermann


Hey, there are old time bicyclists riding around out there. No helmets, friction shifters on the downtube, lugged steel frames, 5 speed freewheels, etc. Lugged steel is more than good enough. Next time Jay has a part added, he should contact one of the numerous local bike builders to install the part. Under medical supervision of course. Bike builder would only do the fitting and lug/tube shaping and welding/brazing. Doctor would do the cutting open and stitching back together parts of the surgery.
 




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