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Old May 4th 09, 10:11 AM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason
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Default USA helmet laws.

Interesting story about USA motorcyclists' fight to ride without helmets
which means that in the majority of states, they can ride a 100 mph+ machine
with no crash hat. There are a lot of parallels with UK cyclists, notably:

"You sit at a stoplight, especially in Florida, you're sitting there in 100
percent humidity, and the sun is beating down on you, and that heat's coming
up off the road, which is like 140, 150 degrees....We've had people
literally pass out at stoplights wearing helmets."

"Politicians didn't have to understand their (bikers) passion to respect it.
And therein lies a lesson for the world's busybodies and petty tyrants."


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Old May 4th 09, 12:07 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Just zis Guy, you know?[_2_]
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Default USA helmet laws.

On Mon, 4 May 2009 10:11:55 +0100, "Simon Mason"
wrote:

Interesting story about USA motorcyclists' fight to ride without helmets
which means that in the majority of states, they can ride a 100 mph+ machine
with no crash hat.


One of the more amusing cases of fact-blindness, in fact. When a few
states repealed their helmet laws there was a story in Time which
decried the massive increase in motorcyclist fatalities inna
"why-oh-why" stylee. It later emerged that the states with the
increased fatalities were those which had retained the laws, while the
states which had repealed them had actually seen reductions in
fatalities per mile travelled.

And of course the helmeteers went on to say that yes, well, that's all
very interesting, but they were right anyway because of Common Sense,
which as we know trumps evidence every time.

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Old May 4th 09, 12:11 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default USA helmet laws.


"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
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It later emerged that the states with the
increased fatalities were those which had retained the laws, while the
states which had repealed them had actually seen reductions in
fatalities per mile travelled.

And of course the helmeteers went on to say that yes, well, that's all
very interesting, but they were right anyway because of Common Sense,
which as we know trumps evidence every time.


Ha ha, brilliant!

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Old May 4th 09, 12:26 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Ian Smith
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Default USA helmet laws.

On Mon, 4 May 2009, Simon Mason wrote:

Interesting story about USA motorcyclists' fight to ride without
helmets which means that in the majority of states, they can ride a
100 mph+ machine with no crash hat. There are a lot of parallels
with UK cyclists, notably:

"You sit at a stoplight, especially in Florida, you're sitting
there in 100 percent humidity, and the sun is beating down on you,
and that heat's coming up off the road, which is like 140, 150
degrees


Global warming has evidently had more impact on Hull than I would
have expected.

regards, Ian SMith
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Old May 4th 09, 12:31 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason
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Default USA helmet laws.


"Ian Smith" wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 May 2009, Simon Mason wrote:

Interesting story about USA motorcyclists' fight to ride without
helmets which means that in the majority of states, they can ride a
100 mph+ machine with no crash hat. There are a lot of parallels
with UK cyclists, notably:

"You sit at a stoplight, especially in Florida, you're sitting
there in 100 percent humidity, and the sun is beating down on you,
and that heat's coming up off the road, which is like 140, 150
degrees


Global warming has evidently had more impact on Hull than I would
have expected


I've ridden when it was 33 Celsius a few years ago, I wouldn't like to have
had a plastic hat on even that (relatively low) temperature.


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Old May 4th 09, 01:01 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
judith smith
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Default USA helmet laws.

On Mon, 04 May 2009 12:07:35 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Mon, 4 May 2009 10:11:55 +0100, "Simon Mason"
wrote:

Interesting story about USA motorcyclists' fight to ride without helmets
which means that in the majority of states, they can ride a 100 mph+ machine
with no crash hat.


One of the more amusing cases of fact-blindness, in fact. When a few
states repealed their helmet laws there was a story in Time which
decried the massive increase in motorcyclist fatalities inna
"why-oh-why" stylee. It later emerged that the states with the
increased fatalities were those which had retained the laws, while the
states which had repealed them had actually seen reductions in
fatalities per mile travelled.




Yes of course it did Guy.

Have you a reference - there must be something on-line about it - or
perhaps it's another example of your faulty selective memory?

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Old May 4th 09, 02:04 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
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Default USA helmet laws.

Simon Mason wrote:

"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
...
It later emerged that the states with the
increased fatalities were those which had retained the laws, while the
states which had repealed them had actually seen reductions in
fatalities per mile travelled.

And of course the helmeteers went on to say that yes, well, that's all
very interesting, but they were right anyway because of Common Sense,
which as we know trumps evidence every time.


Ha ha, brilliant!


I do believe that in many instances the wearing of a motorcycle helmet
actually encourages the rider to go faster.

Having ridden without one, I can tell you its virtually impossible to
ride at above 40mph and very uncomfortable at speeds approaching that.
Your eyes constantly stream and a tiny bit of sand in them feels like a
brick. In order to avoid this you slow down. Put a fullface helmet on,
and that problem is eliminated and you can dial-in any speed you like

Yes, you could wear goggles I suppose, but if your going to go to the
trouble of wearing some form of kit, you may as well wear a (fullface)
helmet, at least in this country where its mostly cold or wet or both
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Old May 4th 09, 02:05 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason
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Default USA helmet laws.


"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 4 May 2009 10:11:55 +0100, "Simon Mason"
wrote:

Interesting story about USA motorcyclists' fight to ride without helmets
which means that in the majority of states, they can ride a 100 mph+
machine
with no crash hat.




I'd imagine that if mandatory helmets for cyclists was ever imposed in the
UK, it would make the sight of helmetless hairy road hogs riding through US
state capitals in protest look like a village tea party.

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Old May 4th 09, 02:10 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Jolly Polly
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Default USA helmet laws.

Simon Mason wrote:

"Ian Smith" wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 4 May 2009, Simon Mason wrote:

Interesting story about USA motorcyclists' fight to ride without
helmets which means that in the majority of states, they can ride a
100 mph+ machine with no crash hat. There are a lot of parallels
with UK cyclists, notably:

"You sit at a stoplight, especially in Florida, you're sitting
there in 100 percent humidity, and the sun is beating down on you,
and that heat's coming up off the road, which is like 140, 150
degrees


Global warming has evidently had more impact on Hull than I would
have expected


I've ridden when it was 33 Celsius a few years ago, I wouldn't like to
have had a plastic hat on even that (relatively low) temperature.



I've ridden in Sevilla Spain, in 50C, not fun, felt like my head was in
a pressure cooker. The locals openly flouted the law, either not wearing
one or having one 'perched' on top of their heads - I guess that's
common sense
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Old May 4th 09, 02:19 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Mason
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Default USA helmet laws.


"Jolly Polly" wrote in message
...


Having ridden without one, I can tell you its virtually impossible to
ride at above 40mph and very uncomfortable at speeds approaching that.
Your eyes constantly stream and a tiny bit of sand in them feels like a
brick. In order to avoid this you slow down. Put a fullface helmet on,
and that problem is eliminated and you can dial-in any speed you like



When I first rode a motorbike, I had an open face helmet on and yes, your
eyes did stream a lot. I can't remember it slowing me down much, but then
again, I was 17 and immortal.


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