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What is the biggest cause of road accidents in the UK?
On 03/12/2019 20:40, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 03/12/2019 19:50, nightjar wrote: .... There is only one category of contributory factor that specifically mentions cyclist action, which is cyclist entering road from pavement. That caused 684 RTCs, of which 8 were fatal (probably for the cyclist). Â*and there may be a split of other contributory factors by road user type. There are several categories that say driver/rider, which will cover just about everybody. I was simply pointing out that cyclists are not specifically identified in the categories. However, as failure to look properly is far and away the biggest single factor of all, there is a fair chance that is the one they also commit most often. -- Colin Bignell |
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What is the biggest cause of road accidents in the UK?
On 04/12/2019 00:14, JNugent wrote:
Too late. You've just admitted that as far as you are concerned, the rights (real or imaginary) and desires of chavs on bikes are paramount. Did you need clean underpants? Meanwhile, you still free to go about with a clear conscience because the law allows 2 pedestrians a day to be sacrificed for the beneft of the economy. |
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What is the biggest cause of road accidents in the UK?
On 04/12/2019 11:29, TMS320 wrote:
On 04/12/2019 00:14, JNugent wrote: Too late. You've just admitted that as far as you are concerned, the rights (real or imaginary) and desires of chavs on bikes are paramount. Did you need clean underpants? Meanwhile, you still free to go about with a clear conscience because the law allows 2 pedestrians a day to be sacrificed for the beneft of the economy. Gawd... you're getting desperate now, aren't you? |
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So I am thinking could it be that when autonomous vehicles are allowed on
roads that accidents reduce? After all people are not tested anywhere near as much as the software is going to be in an auto drive car and of course you can tweak the car, but very unlikely to be able to do that with a person. Secondly one of the most common things is accidents with two wheeled vehicles and pedestrians usually where there are misguided shared spaces or where otherwise segregated streams have to mix at junctions etc. Obviously on many higher speed roads its inexperience, on how to drive to the conditions, ie fog, ice snow and heavy rain. This is due to the cocoon effect, ie a person driving at speed feels safe as the acceleration masks the speed and the time needed to stop a moving mass. Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "JNugent" wrote in message ... On 02/12/2019 20:15, Bod wrote: The most common cause of accidents is to driver error. Over 100,000 (108,479) crashes occured in the UK due to cars suddenly braking, drivers failing to look properly, poor car maneuvering and/or loss of control.2 Jul 2018 How interesting. What does it have to do with cycling? |
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What is the biggest cause of road accidents in the UK?
On 11/01/2020 10:07, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
So I am thinking could it be that when autonomous vehicles are allowed on roads that accidents reduce? After all people are not tested anywhere near as much as the software is going to be in an auto drive car and of course you can tweak the car, but very unlikely to be able to do that with a person. Secondly one of the most common things is accidents with two wheeled vehicles and pedestrians usually where there are misguided shared spaces or where otherwise segregated streams have to mix at junctions etc. Obviously on many higher speed roads its inexperience, on how to drive to the conditions, ie fog, ice snow and heavy rain. This is due to the cocoon effect, ie a person driving at speed feels safe as the acceleration masks the speed and the time needed to stop a moving mass. Brian Totally agree with all that you said, brian. -- Bod |
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On 11/01/2020 10:14, Bod wrote:
On 11/01/2020 10:07, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote: So I am thinking could it be that when autonomous vehicles are allowed on roads that accidents reduce? After all people areÂ* not tested anywhere near as much as the software is going to be in an auto drive car and of course you can tweak the car, but very unlikely to be able to do that with a person. Secondly one of the most common things is accidents with two wheeled vehicles and pedestrians usually where there are misguided shared spaces or where otherwise segregated streams have to mix at junctions etc. Â* Obviously on many higher speed roads its inexperience, on how to drive to the conditions, ie fog, ice snow and heavy rain. Â* This is due to the cocoon effect, ie a person driving at speed feels safe as the acceleration masks the speed and the time needed to stop a moving mass. Â* Brian Totally agree with all that you said, brian. Only thing I'd add is , innatention, like talking on a phone(hopefully that at least is set on hands free), also looking at a Sat Nav instaed of just listening etc. -- Bod |
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On 11/01/2020 10:07, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
So I am thinking could it be that when autonomous vehicles are allowed on roads that accidents reduce? After all people are not tested anywhere near as much as the software is going to be in an auto drive car and of course Do you have much experience of software testing? you can tweak the car, but very unlikely to be able to do that with a person. Secondly one of the most common things is accidents with two wheeled vehicles and pedestrians usually where there are misguided shared spaces or where otherwise segregated streams have to mix at junctions etc. And it is impossible to predict what the cyclist or pedestrians will do. Obviously on many higher speed roads its inexperience, on how to drive to the conditions, ie fog, ice snow and heavy rain. And one of the 'benefits' of autonomous vehicles is smaller gaps. This is due to the cocoon effect, ie a person driving at speed feels safe as the acceleration masks the speed and the time needed to stop a moving mass. |
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On 11/01/2020 10:07, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
So I am thinking could it be that when autonomous vehicles are allowed on roads that accidents reduce? After all people are not tested anywhere near as much as the software is going to be in an auto drive car and of course you can tweak the car, but very unlikely to be able to do that with a person.... An autonomous car should be able to eliminate the errors of driver failed to look properly (a contributory factor in 38% of reported accidents in 2018) and, to a great extent, failed to judge other person's path or speed (20%). It won't be careless, reckless or in a hurry (15%). It won't drive aggressively (4%) or be nervous, uncertain or in a panic (2%). It can't be impaired by alcohol (5%), drugs (2%) or fatigue (2%). It won't fall ill (2%) or be distracted (3% in vehicle 1% outside). It won't exceed the speed limit (5%) although it could conceivably still drive too fast for the conditions (6%). Note: these are not mutually exclusive. There can be up to six different factors attributed to one accident, so the anticipated reduction won't be the sum of the percentages, but it should still be fairly high. -- Colin Bignell |
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On 11/01/2020 10:49, Nick Finnigan wrote:
On 11/01/2020 10:07, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote: So I am thinking could it be that when autonomous vehicles are allowed on roads that accidents reduce? After all people are not tested anywhere near as much as the software is going to be in an auto drive car and of course Do you have much experience of software testing? If it can do better than a 17 year old in the driving test, the job is done... you can tweak the car, but very unlikely to be able to do that with a person. Secondly one of the most common things is accidents with two wheeled vehicles and pedestrians usually where there are misguided shared spaces or where otherwise segregated streams have to mix at junctions etc. And it is impossible to predict what the cyclist or pedestrians will do. Software has the same telepathic ability as a human. None. Response only works from an ability to observe actions that are in the process of being played out. Obviously on many higher speed roads its inexperience, on how to drive to the conditions, ie fog, ice snow and heavy rain. And one of the 'benefits' of autonomous vehicles is smaller gaps. I expect designers have realised that suitable gaps change according to conditions. |
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What is the biggest cause of road accidents in the UK?
On 11/01/2020 14:25, TMS320 wrote:
I expect designers have realised that suitable gaps change according to conditions. Do you have much experience of software designers? |
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