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What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in message ... On 3/1/2011 8:04 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in message ... Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894. Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement to road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing. I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost any other state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it just means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be such a bad thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing any riding on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway. As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget about it. The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes. Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a fraction of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration (when the middle classes were much better off). But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global economy and the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to foreign lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and not be robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible. The solution to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get along on less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea, tighten the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul! The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street incomes. Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would never give those *******s a single penny. Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic blood out of the working classes. The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto gambling operation and Ponzi scheme. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On 3/2/2011 12:09 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
"T�m Sherm�n� " wrote in message ... [...] The secret "they" do not want you to know is that lower and middle class wages are set by the market [1], and go up and down at about the same rate as tax increases and cuts. Therefore, lower and middle class worker end up with about the same after-tax income with tax cuts, but reductions in government services. However, the upper class wage earners greatly increase their incomes with tax cuts. The second secret "they" do not want you to know is that the hypothesis of upper class tax cuts stimulating the economy has been proven false in practice. The extra upper class income is not used for capital investments, since the shifting of the overall share of income to the rich depresses demand for goods and services. Instead, the rich mostly use the extra income in de-facto gambling on Wall Street, and similar unproductive activities. [1] Upper class wages are typically set by the "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" system. I think Tom Sherman is not far from wrong in the above analysis (I was once far to the Left of him). But even so, what other system of economy works any better? I do not mind a few rich if it lets the rest of us get by. That is something that all socialisms fail most abysmally at. North Korea anyone? The USian economy of 40 to 60 years ago worked better for 99% of the people than the current version does. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in
message ... On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would never give those *******s a single penny. Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic blood out of the working classes. The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto gambling operation and Ponzi scheme. Hells Bells, I think the entire federal government is one giant Ponzi scheme. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
"Tºm ShermªnT °_°" " wrote in message ... On 3/2/2011 12:09 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in message ... [...] The secret "they" do not want you to know is that lower and middle class wages are set by the market [1], and go up and down at about the same rate as tax increases and cuts. Therefore, lower and middle class worker end up with about the same after-tax income with tax cuts, but reductions in government services. However, the upper class wage earners greatly increase their incomes with tax cuts. The second secret "they" do not want you to know is that the hypothesis of upper class tax cuts stimulating the economy has been proven false in practice. The extra upper class income is not used for capital investments, since the shifting of the overall share of income to the rich depresses demand for goods and services. Instead, the rich mostly use the extra income in de-facto gambling on Wall Street, and similar unproductive activities. [1] Upper class wages are typically set by the "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" system. I think Tom Sherman is not far from wrong in the above analysis (I was once far to the Left of him). But even so, what other system of economy works any better? I do not mind a few rich if it lets the rest of us get by. That is something that all socialisms fail most abysmally at. North Korea anyone? The USian economy of 40 to 60 years ago worked better for 99% of the people than the current version does. The years following WWII were a golden age for America. It has been all down hill ever since, mainly because our politicians just keep getting stupider and stupider. Hey, I like Ike! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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What Left-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On Mar 2, 4:34*pm, Peter Cole wrote:
I wish we had Portland's safety stats. Is Boston unusually dangerous? - Frank Krygowski |
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What Motorist Advocacy Does For Cycling
On Mar 2, 5:28*pm, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/2/2011 12:24 AM, Jay Beattie wrote: *I don't need no stink'n lanes. *I need smooth asphalt. -- Jay Beattie. You probably don't in Portland, most of it anyway, but people seem to like them. People tend to like what people are told they should like. Ask any advertising professional. As further proof: People used to like bell bottom pants and afros on white dudes. - Frank Krygowski |
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What Motorist Advocacy Does For Cycling
On Mar 1, 9:57 pm, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° ""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net" wrote: Bicycle farcilities (sic) were originated as a way to confine cyclists to an area inferior to the motor vehicles, which is hardly a left-wing position. False, bicycle facilities were originated by bicyclists before motor vehicles existed. But don't let that stop ya. |
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What Motorist Advocacy Does For Cycling
On 3/2/2011 6:18 PM, Jay Beattie wrote:
On Mar 2, 2:13 pm, Peter wrote: On 3/2/2011 12:24 AM, Jay Beattie wrote: On Mar 1, 8:57 pm, T m Sherm n _""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI $southslope.net" wrote: On 3/1/2011 10:42 PM, Jay Beattie wrote: On Mar 1, 5:14 pm, T m Sherm n _""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI $southslope.net" wrote: Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894. Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement to road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing. Lefties did this:http://www.flickr.com/photos/vancespics/3912223571/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/loewenherz/3331886473/Can you say "slip and slide"?http://www.flickr.com/photos/luton/879398610/ Sometimes I prefer it when people do not do me a favor. I wish that the Lefties would agree with the Righties to just fix the f****** pot holes. -- Jay Beattie. Bicycle farcilities (sic) were originated as a way to confine cyclists to an area inferior to the motor vehicles, which is hardly a left-wing position. Remember, bicycle lanes were built in the Netherlands by order of the Nazi [1] occupation, to keep bicycles out of the way of motor traffic. [1] And only revisionist liars consider the Nazi's left-wing. The obligation to spend public funds on bicycle facilities -- no matter how bad -- is a lefty invention. Obligation? How about decision? Obligation in Oregon.ORS 366.514 -- the so-called Bicycle Bill. Actually proposed by a Republican state representative, but he was an avid bicyclist and therefore a Lefty, kind of like Lincoln. http://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/HWY/BIKEPED/bike_bill.shtml Yes, so it was a decision, made by Oregon, not imposed on Oregon. Note: The Oregon Court of Appeals upheld the intent of this statute in Bicycle Transportation Alliance v. City of Portland (9309-05777; CA A82770). The judge's summary was: "Read as a whole, ORS 366.514 requires that when an agency receives state highway funds and constructs, reconstructs or relocates highways, roads or streets, it must expend a reasonable amount of those funds, as necessary, on bicycle and pedestrian facilities. The statue also requires the agency to spend no less than one percent per fiscal year on such facilities, unless relieved of that obligation by one of the exceptions in subsection (2)." Sounds good, as far as it went. One percent is pretty low when modal share is six. I wrote and argued that appeal . . . and won. I'm a lefty, but even I have gotten to the point where I think a lot of the infrastructure is stupid -- not just wasteful, but affirmatively bad for me as a cyclist. But apparently wildly popular among other cyclists. I'm afraid that remodeling the world according to your tastes will have to wait for your coronation. The right would do nothing. That's a pretty broad claim. It is . . . I'm talking far right. These day, the "far right" seems capable of anything. The true small government states like Idaho have some dreadful roads. I believe in spending money to make road surfaces rideable. I swear that if I get killed on my bike, it is going to be while riding home at night in the rain over crappy road surface. I don't need no stink'n lanes. I need smooth asphalt. -- Jay Beattie. I don't see the zero-sum argument. A reasonable, pragmatic approach would seem to be to fund facilities by modal share, adjusted to promote majority wishes for specific goals. I don't know of any cyclists who are indifferent to potholes, while the majority seem to favor facilities. If people want bike facilities and good pavement, they just have to pay for both. It has been done. Portland isn't poor, just cheap. That's hard to find sympathy for.- Hide quoted text - We're cheap? You're f****** nuts! My water bill (which is used to pay for some bicycle infrastructure), property taxes and state income taxes and now increased gas taxes say otherwise. Compared to what? Idaho? You really want Idaho-class infrastructure? Good luck with that. Personally, I see no need to waste money on goofy signs, boxes, arrows, lines, etc., unless you are laying out a basketball court or square dancing class. Make it your first post-coronation decree then. We have finite resources and should put them to work filling pot holes rather than putting sharrows on streets so narrow that you couldn't share them with a skateboard. -- Jay Beattie. All resources are finite, but it doesn't follow that sharrows mean unfilled pot holes. If you want to play, you've got to pay. Cycling budgets are a pittance, motor vehicle infrastructure and "externalized" costs are enormous in comparison and hardly fairly shared. You sound awfully right-eous for a self-described lefty. |
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What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On 3/2/2011 11:33 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in message ... On 3/1/2011 8:04 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in message ... Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894. Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement to road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing. I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost any other state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it just means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be such a bad thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing any riding on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway. As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget about it. The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes. Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a fraction of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration (when the middle classes were much better off). But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global economy and the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to foreign lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and not be robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible. The solution to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get along on less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea, tighten the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul! The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street incomes. Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would never give those *******s a single penny. Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic blood out of the working classes. The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto gambling operation and Ponzi scheme. Capitalism inherently involves gambling, so does life. |
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What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On 3/2/2011 11:35 PM, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote:
On 3/2/2011 12:09 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T�m Sherm�n� " wrote in message ... [...] The secret "they" do not want you to know is that lower and middle class wages are set by the market [1], and go up and down at about the same rate as tax increases and cuts. Therefore, lower and middle class worker end up with about the same after-tax income with tax cuts, but reductions in government services. However, the upper class wage earners greatly increase their incomes with tax cuts. The second secret "they" do not want you to know is that the hypothesis of upper class tax cuts stimulating the economy has been proven false in practice. The extra upper class income is not used for capital investments, since the shifting of the overall share of income to the rich depresses demand for goods and services. Instead, the rich mostly use the extra income in de-facto gambling on Wall Street, and similar unproductive activities. [1] Upper class wages are typically set by the "You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" system. I think Tom Sherman is not far from wrong in the above analysis (I was once far to the Left of him). But even so, what other system of economy works any better? I do not mind a few rich if it lets the rest of us get by. That is something that all socialisms fail most abysmally at. North Korea anyone? The USian economy of 40 to 60 years ago worked better for 99% of the people than the current version does. I think that's more than a bit of an overstatement. It's true that income and wealth inequality is a broad economic problem, not only ethical, but also structural in consequence. Much of the increasing concentration of wealth in the hands of the few has to do with the game having been loaded in recent decades by the wealthy and their ability to engender support from the non-wealthy for that through propaganda. See the Koch bros. for a current example. Capitalism is natural, but so are droughts and floods. Water is neither inherently good or bad, but the scarcity or surpluses can be. We're clever monkeys, we can tame the beast if we just use that thing between our ears. |
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