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What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On 3/3/2011 1:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in message ... On 3/1/2011 8:04 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in message ... Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894. Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement to road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing. I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost any other state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it just means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be such a bad thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing any riding on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway. As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget about it. The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes. Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a fraction of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration (when the middle classes were much better off). But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global economy and the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to foreign lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and not be robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible. The solution to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get along on less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea, tighten the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul! The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street incomes. Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would never give those *******s a single penny. Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic blood out of the working classes. The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto gambling operation and Ponzi scheme. In theory there is added value in distribution of information and enhancing more efficient capital allocation. At one time those were true. To our great benefit. We seldom agree but I do on this. It's sadly obvious now. Capitalism is fine, it just needs to be injected with a little socialism to take the rough edges off. This is the clear lesson from the not so distant past. As exhibit "A", I'd give the Eastern hybrid that's currently kicking our collective Western asses (economically). Not that that particular flavor would be my first choice, but nothing succeeds like success... |
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What Motorist Advocacy Does For Cycling
On 3/3/2011 12:12 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Mar 3, 9:15 am, Peter wrote: On 3/3/2011 12:52 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 2, 5:28 pm, Peter wrote: On 3/2/2011 12:24 AM, Jay Beattie wrote: I don't need no stink'n lanes. I need smooth asphalt. -- Jay Beattie. You probably don't in Portland, most of it anyway, but people seem to like them. People tend to like what people are told they should like. Ask any advertising professional. More. Beam. Eye. ??? We need PUI laws, I think! (Posting Under the Influence.) ;-) - Frank Krygowski Sorry should have been "mote", not "more". If that's still not clear, I'd add that propaganda cuts both ways. |
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What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/3/2011 1:12 PM, AMuzi wrote: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in message ... On 3/1/2011 8:04 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in message ... Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894. Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement to road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing. I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost any other state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it just means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be such a bad thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing any riding on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway. As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget about it. The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes. Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a fraction of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration (when the middle classes were much better off). But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global economy and the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to foreign lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and not be robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible. The solution to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get along on less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea, tighten the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul! The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street incomes. Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would never give those *******s a single penny. Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic blood out of the working classes. The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto gambling operation and Ponzi scheme. In theory there is added value in distribution of information and enhancing more efficient capital allocation. At one time those were true. To our great benefit. We seldom agree but I do on this. It's sadly obvious now. Capitalism is fine, it just needs to be injected with a little socialism to take the rough edges off. This is the clear lesson from the not so distant past. As exhibit "A", I'd give the Eastern hybrid that's currently kicking our collective Western asses (economically). Not that that particular flavor would be my first choice, but nothing succeeds like success... Socialism works in the East, with our help. Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank are some of China's best resources. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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What Left-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On Mar 3, 12:32*pm, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/3/2011 12:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 3, 9:13 am, Peter *wrote: On 3/3/2011 12:47 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 2, 4:34 pm, Peter * *wrote: I wish we had Portland's safety stats. Is Boston unusually dangerous? Compared to Portland. By that standard, there is only one place on earth that's safe enough. *That's whatever town currently has the absolute best safety ranking. That's a truly bizarre bit of pseudo-logic. I know. And it's one that's invoked frequently by the "We must have segregated facilities everywhere!!!" crowd. By their logic, since (say) Germany has fewer fatalities per mile ridden than the US, the US is obviously not safe enough, and we _must_ do something radical to fix it. That's their claim, no matter how many millions of miles are ridden between US bike fatalities. Carry that logic to its extreme, and you'll find only one place on earth that's "safe enough." - Frank Krygowski |
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What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On 3/3/2011 2:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
Peter Cole wrote: On 3/3/2011 1:12 PM, AMuzi wrote: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in message ... On 3/1/2011 8:04 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in message ... Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894. Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement to road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing. I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost any other state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it just means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be such a bad thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing any riding on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway. As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget about it. The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes. Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a fraction of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration (when the middle classes were much better off). But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global economy and the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to foreign lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and not be robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible. The solution to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get along on less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea, tighten the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul! The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street incomes. Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would never give those *******s a single penny. Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic blood out of the working classes. The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto gambling operation and Ponzi scheme. In theory there is added value in distribution of information and enhancing more efficient capital allocation. At one time those were true. To our great benefit. We seldom agree but I do on this. It's sadly obvious now. Capitalism is fine, it just needs to be injected with a little socialism to take the rough edges off. This is the clear lesson from the not so distant past. As exhibit "A", I'd give the Eastern hybrid that's currently kicking our collective Western asses (economically). Not that that particular flavor would be my first choice, but nothing succeeds like success... Socialism works in the East, with our help. Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank are some of China's best resources. Last I heard US corporations were doing fine, even adding lots of jobs, just not here. That stuff just doesn't fly in China. The minority still beating the deregulation drum is oblivious to the most highly regulated economy in the world -- and the fastest growing. |
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What Left-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On 3/3/2011 3:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:32 pm, Peter wrote: On 3/3/2011 12:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 3, 9:13 am, Peter wrote: On 3/3/2011 12:47 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 2, 4:34 pm, Peter wrote: I wish we had Portland's safety stats. Is Boston unusually dangerous? Compared to Portland. By that standard, there is only one place on earth that's safe enough. That's whatever town currently has the absolute best safety ranking. That's a truly bizarre bit of pseudo-logic. I know. And it's one that's invoked frequently by the "We must have segregated facilities everywhere!!!" crowd. By their logic, since (say) Germany has fewer fatalities per mile ridden than the US, the US is obviously not safe enough, and we _must_ do something radical to fix it. That's their claim, no matter how many millions of miles are ridden between US bike fatalities. Carry that logic to its extreme, and you'll find only one place on earth that's "safe enough." - Frank Krygowski I didn't bring up the topic of safety, Jay did. I find facilities more pleasant, and there doesn't seem to be a safety downside. |
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What Left-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
Frank Krygowski wrote:
On Mar 3, 12:32 pm, Peter Cole wrote: On 3/3/2011 12:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 3, 9:13 am, Peter wrote: On 3/3/2011 12:47 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 2, 4:34 pm, Peter wrote: I wish we had Portland's safety stats. Is Boston unusually dangerous? Compared to Portland. By that standard, there is only one place on earth that's safe enough. That's whatever town currently has the absolute best safety ranking. That's a truly bizarre bit of pseudo-logic. I know. And it's one that's invoked frequently by the "We must have segregated facilities everywhere!!!" crowd. By their logic, since (say) Germany has fewer fatalities per mile ridden than the US, the US is obviously not safe enough, and we _must_ do something radical to fix it. That's their claim, no matter how many millions of miles are ridden between US bike fatalities. Carry that logic to its extreme, and you'll find only one place on earth that's "safe enough." And it's certainly not my bed. I will need to get out of it at some time and risk dying in the attempt. I may become an ex-parrot, pining for the fjords. JS. |
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What Left-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On Mar 3, 9:23*pm, James wrote:
Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 3, 12:32 pm, Peter Cole wrote: On 3/3/2011 12:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 3, 9:13 am, Peter *wrote: On 3/3/2011 12:47 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: On Mar 2, 4:34 pm, Peter * *wrote: I wish we had Portland's safety stats. Is Boston unusually dangerous? Compared to Portland. By that standard, there is only one place on earth that's safe enough. *That's whatever town currently has the absolute best safety ranking. That's a truly bizarre bit of pseudo-logic. I know. *And it's one that's invoked frequently by the "We must have segregated facilities everywhere!!!" crowd. By their logic, since (say) Germany has fewer fatalities per mile ridden than the US, the US is obviously not safe enough, and we _must_ do something radical to fix it. *That's their claim, no matter how many millions of miles are ridden between US bike fatalities. Carry that logic to its extreme, and you'll find only one place on earth that's "safe enough." And it's certainly not my bed. *I will need to get out of it at some time and risk dying in the attempt. I may become an ex-parrot, pining for the fjords. JS. I'm an ex-parrot, and I can't say I pine for the bushfires, or even for Melbourne's unpredictable weather. Many's the day that just walking from St Vincent Place, at the end of Albert Park nearest the city, to Collins Lane, I successively got baked and soaked, and one day at the Governor's garden party snow started falling out of a clear summer sky. But I see in passing that Melbourne is now rated the best city in the world to live in. Clearly they didn't ask cyclists. My fave city in Australia is Adelaide, but I never tried to cycle there, though I knew some guys who commuted to college across the Mighty Torrens by bike from about a mile away. I think from anywhere on the edge of the green belt might be good commuting, in Adelaide, though not on race days if you live on the racecourse side, as I did. André Jute Exparrot - very colourful |
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What Left-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On Mar 3, 4:14*pm, Peter Cole wrote:
I didn't bring up the topic of safety, Jay did. Yes, Jay pointed to some hazards of particularly weird bike facilities. But you were the one who brought up comparative statistics envy. "I wish we had Portland's safety stats," IIRC. I find facilities more pleasant, and there doesn't seem to be a safety downside. That's whitewashing with a very broad brush. Safety downsides of various badly-conceived facilities have been discussed here often. You're one small step away from "Any bike facility is a good bike facility," which is no more sensible than "If Portland is safer, Boston must be too dangerous." At least, qualify your enthusiasm. - Frank Krygowski |
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What Right-Wing Governance Does For Cycling
On 3/3/2011 3:10 PM, Peter Cole wrote:
On 3/3/2011 2:23 PM, AMuzi wrote: Peter Cole wrote: On 3/3/2011 1:12 PM, AMuzi wrote: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° wrote: On 3/2/2011 12:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T�m Sherm�nT " wrote in message ... On 3/1/2011 8:04 PM, Edward Dolan wrote: "T?m Sherm?n? " wrote in message ... Seehttp://www.bikeiowa.com/asp/hotnews/newsdisplay.asp?NewsID=4894. Remember to thank the budget priorities of upper class tax cuts and subsidies, when your favorite rural riding routes change from pavement to road bike unfriendly aggregate surfacing. I think Minnesota has more miles of roads to maintain than almost any other state. If and when we return some asphalt roads to gravel roads, it just means that vehicles will have to go slower which will not to be such a bad thing. As far a cycling is concerned, I NEVER see cyclists doing any riding on rural roads. Cycling is best restricted to urban areas anyway. As for raising taxes to pay for ever more and better roads, forget about it. The states and counties are all going broke just like the federal government. Everyone is already paying more than enough taxes. Nonsense. The upper classes and corporations are only paying a fraction of what they did under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower Administration (when the middle classes were much better off). But everything is constantly changing. We now live in a global economy and the upper classes and corporations can take whatever they have to foreign lands. It is what makes it possible for me to shop at Wal-Mart and not be robbed. Jeez, try to get up to date if that is possible. The solution to all our problems is to stop the spending and to learn to get along on less. What we spend on education is especially a boondoggle. Yea, tighten the belt and welcome deprivation. It is good for the soul! The biggest boondoggle is what is spent on subsidizing Wall Street incomes. Frankly, I do not understand how Wall Street works at all. I would never give those *******s a single penny. Wall Street produces no added value, leading to the obvious conclusion that the investment bankers are merely parasites sucking the economic blood out of the working classes. The original purpose of the stock market allowing corporations to raise capital has been perverted into the world's largest de facto gambling operation and Ponzi scheme. In theory there is added value in distribution of information and enhancing more efficient capital allocation. At one time those were true. To our great benefit. We seldom agree but I do on this. It's sadly obvious now. Capitalism is fine, it just needs to be injected with a little socialism to take the rough edges off. This is the clear lesson from the not so distant past. As exhibit "A", I'd give the Eastern hybrid that's currently kicking our collective Western asses (economically). Not that that particular flavor would be my first choice, but nothing succeeds like success... Socialism works in the East, with our help. Sarbanes-Oxley and Dodd-Frank are some of China's best resources. Last I heard US corporations were doing fine, even adding lots of jobs, just not here. That stuff just doesn't fly in China. The minority still beating the deregulation drum is oblivious to the most highly regulated economy in the world -- and the fastest growing. The advocacy for deregulation is based on ideology and not economics - the corporate barons do not want any restrictions put on them by the working peasants. -- Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007 I am a vehicular cyclist. |
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