"Had she been wearing a safety helmet her injuries could have been lessened,"

A 13-YEAR-OLD died after she cycled out in front of a car an inquest heard
yesterday
Joy, of Mare Hey Lane, Ewloe, tragically hit her head on the curb when she
landed and died as a result of a massive head injury.

Joy was not wearing a helmet and she was pronounced dead at the scene.


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...5578-30597429/

On Mar 22, 8:42*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
A 13-YEAR-OLD died after she cycled out in front of a car an inquest heard
yesterday
Joy, of Mare Hey Lane, Ewloe, tragically hit her head on the curb when she
landed and died as a result of a massive head injury.

Joy was not wearing a helmet and she was pronounced dead at the scene.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...3/22/ewloe-gir...

Was the car on the road?

On Mar 22, 8:42*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
A 13-YEAR-OLD died after she cycled out in front of a car an inquest heard
yesterday
Joy, of Mare Hey Lane, Ewloe, tragically hit her head on the curb when she
landed and died as a result of a massive head injury.

Joy was not wearing a helmet and she was pronounced dead at the scene.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...3/22/ewloe-gir...

The abysmal Daily Post should curb their use of American spellings.

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:42:38 -0000, "Mrcheerful"
wrote:

A 13-YEAR-OLD died after she cycled out in front of a car an inquest heard
yesterday
Joy, of Mare Hey Lane, Ewloe, tragically hit her head on the curb when she
landed and died as a result of a massive head injury.

Joy was not wearing a helmet and she was pronounced dead at the scene.


http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...5578-30597429/



"Had she been wearing a safety helmet her injuries could have been lessened, he
said."

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:51:23 -0700 (PDT), Squashme
wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:42*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
A 13-YEAR-OLD died after she cycled out in front of a car an inquest heard
yesterday
Joy, of Mare Hey Lane, Ewloe, tragically hit her head on the curb when she
landed and died as a result of a massive head injury.

Joy was not wearing a helmet and she was pronounced dead at the scene.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...3/22/ewloe-gir...

Was the car on the road?

So, would a foam hat have left her only reduced to a vegetable? We
will never know, but we do know beyond a doubt that there is no
bicycle helmet on the market in the UK that is claimed to protect in
crashes of that severity.

Guy
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Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:51:23 -0700 (PDT), Squashme
wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:42 am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
A 13-YEAR-OLD died after she cycled out in front of a car an
inquest heard yesterday
Joy, of Mare Hey Lane, Ewloe, tragically hit her head on the curb
when she landed and died as a result of a massive head injury.

Joy was not wearing a helmet and she was pronounced dead at the
scene.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...3/22/ewloe-gir...

Was the car on the road?

So, would a foam hat have left her only reduced to a vegetable? We
will never know, but we do know beyond a doubt that there is no
bicycle helmet on the market in the UK that is claimed to protect in
crashes of that severity.

Guy

No-one knows for sure, but anything is better than nothing when banging your
head on the kerb, which may actually have only been a fairly slow collision
(head to kerb)

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 21:00:59 +0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:51:23 -0700 (PDT), Squashme
wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:42*am, "Mrcheerful" wrote:
A 13-YEAR-OLD died after she cycled out in front of a car an inquest heard
yesterday
Joy, of Mare Hey Lane, Ewloe, tragically hit her head on the curb when she
landed and died as a result of a massive head injury.

Joy was not wearing a helmet and she was pronounced dead at the scene.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...3/22/ewloe-gir...

Was the car on the road?

So, would a foam hat have left her only reduced to a vegetable? We
will never know, but we do know beyond a doubt that there is no
bicycle helmet on the market in the UK that is claimed to protect in
crashes of that severity.

Guy


Oh really - she hit her head on the curb - how do you actually know the speed
of impact with that curb as she landed? She could have gone up in the air a
distance of say 5 feet - and then landed vertically on her head from ...... er
- a distance of five feet.

Answer : you don't.

PS How's the court case coming along?

--
Porky Chapman bragged about the fact that he was taking someone he
had accused of harassing him through the court system.
All of a sudden his court case is off. Was it because Porky was scared of
being cross-examined and having to answer questions under oath?
Or did the CPS sling the case out because of Porky's "evidence"?
Why won't he tell us?

On 22/03/2012 21:00, Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 03:51:23 -0700 (PDT), Squashme
wrote:

On Mar 22, 8:42 am, wrote:
A 13-YEAR-OLD died after she cycled out in front of a car an inquest heard
yesterday
Joy, of Mare Hey Lane, Ewloe, tragically hit her head on the curb when she
landed and died as a result of a massive head injury.

Joy was not wearing a helmet and she was pronounced dead at the scene.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nort...3/22/ewloe-gir...

Was the car on the road?

So, would a foam hat have left her only reduced to a vegetable?

Who could ever forget "Better dead than red"?

At least it was a bit more catchy than your "Better dead than alive".

On Mar 22, 9:00*pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
wrote:


Was the car on the road?

So, would a foam hat have left her only reduced to a vegetable? We
will never know, but we do know beyond a doubt that there is no
bicycle helmet on the market in the UK that is claimed to protect in
crashes of that severity.


One of the guys at work had to ride home lidless yesterday as the
janitor trod on his helmet and it broke it two.
He was miffed to see that it was little more than a large coffee
cup. :-)

--
Simon Mason

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:20:25 -0000, Zapp Brannigan wrote:

"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote in message
...

So, would a foam hat have left her only reduced to a vegetable? We
will never know, but we do know beyond a doubt that there is no
bicycle helmet on the market in the UK that is claimed to protect
in crashes of that severity.

There is no seatbelt, motorcycle helmet or airbag which gives such
guarantees either.

If my child was flying head-first towards concrete, I would prefer
that they were wearing a well-designed and fitted helmet ("foam
hat" is needlessly sarcastic, and detracts from the credibility of
your point). The harm will be reduced to *some* degree, and when
dealing with head injury any fractional protection may be very
important.

There are two key assumptions in your scenario:

1: There is the assumption that with a good helmet it is certain
that "the harm will be reduced to some degree". This is not certain -
there are types of injuries for which it seems likely that a helmet
increases the injury. Torsional brain injury is a likely example - if
the child lands on their shoulder and their head skims the concrete, a
helmet may well exacerbate the injuries, perhaps fatally.

So the best you can say of your scenario is that with a helmet the
harm will probably be reduced. Further, you can't actually disprove
he worst that can be said either - that the helmet may change a near
miss of a head injury (shoulder hits concrete - head is deflected
clear and just misses) into a fatality (severe torsional injury to
the neck).

2: There is the assumption that the helmet does not affect the chance
of the scenario arising. You're only addressing the case of an
incident in which a child is already flying towards the concrete.

If your child was not flying towards a concrete block, and putting a
helmet on them slightly increased the chance that they would be thrown
head-first at a concrete block, would you prefer they wore a helmet?


Personally, if I *knew* one of my daughters was going to be thrown
head-first towards a concrete block, I would prefer that they were
wearing a helmet at the time. However, I would much rather
concentrate on avoiding them being thrown at concrete blocks.

In practice, they have helmets for cycling and I put no expectation on
whether they will wear them or not - the oldest does sometimes (last
time we went cycling, for example, she did), the youngest does very
occasionally (but mostly not).

regards, Ian SMith
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