Carbon Frame for non-luggage touring ?

hi dear Forum:

what do you think about using a Carbon Frame (Benotto Black Jack) for
non-luggage touring (cyclo-tourism) ?

i have read opinions for and against the use of carbon frames in this
kind of cycling, but i would like to ask you if you think a carbon
frame could be reliable (in the long run) up to the task of riding on
road (not trail or MTB) for 100-125 miles/day, but without lugagge
(panniers et al), just the cyclist (i plan to rest at hotels)

thank you for any comment :-)

greetings

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erasmo wrote:
hi dear Forum:

what do you think about using a Carbon Frame (Benotto Black Jack) for
non-luggage touring (cyclo-tourism) ?

i have read opinions for and against the use of carbon frames in this
kind of cycling, but i would like to ask you if you think a carbon
frame could be reliable (in the long run) up to the task of riding on
road (not trail or MTB) for 100-125 miles/day, but without lugagge
(panniers et al), just the cyclist (i plan to rest at hotels)

thank you for any comment :-)

greetings

--
http://erasmo.r8.org

I know of carbon frames with 25,000 miles on them with no problems.

erasmo wrote:
hi dear Forum:

what do you think about using a Carbon Frame (Benotto Black Jack) for
non-luggage touring (cyclo-tourism) ?

i have read opinions for and against the use of carbon frames in this
kind of cycling, but i would like to ask you if you think a carbon
frame could be reliable (in the long run) up to the task of riding on
road (not trail or MTB) for 100-125 miles/day, but without lugagge
(panniers et al), just the cyclist (i plan to rest at hotels)

thank you for any comment :-)

greetings

--
http://erasmo.r8.org

Typically, a rack position over the rear wheel requires mounting to
eyelets on the frame.
These eyelets are typically brazed onto a metal frame.
It is not possible to braze eyelets onto a carbon fiber frame.

One work-around when using a carbon fiber frame is to use a clamp-on
rear rack, which attaches to the seatpost.
It is recommended by at least one rack and one seatpost manufacturer
that clamp-on racks not be used with carbon fiber seat posts. An in
expensive substitute aluminium seat post will work just fine.
Some rack/pack units provide smallish panniers integrated with the
rack.

I've used one before (Specialized Roubaix, Topeak MTX rack beam and
bag) with good results but carried additional stuff in a largish
backpack/hydration unit.
The (max) weight limit that I saw described was "20 lbs loading".

hth.

-bdbafh

erasmo wrote:
hi dear Forum:

what do you think about using a Carbon Frame (Benotto Black Jack) for
non-luggage touring (cyclo-tourism) ?

i have read opinions for and against the use of carbon frames in this
kind of cycling, but i would like to ask you if you think a carbon
frame could be reliable (in the long run) up to the task of riding on
road (not trail or MTB) for 100-125 miles/day, but without lugagge
(panniers et al), just the cyclist (i plan to rest at hotels)

thank you for any comment :-)

A good seat bag or bar bag will be necessary to carry essentials that
aren't on the sag wagon. They tend to not complain about frame
material.

Only drawbacks would be if you're riding at a touring pace, but on a
machine set up to be high zoot race. While very low bars, ultra skinny
saddes and the like are just the thing when your body is being held
up by hard hammering, they can become uncomfortable at less than a full
out pace. May or may not be an issue for you. You'll also want to carry
a spare folding tire unless you managed to squeeze something more
rugged into that frame.

On 14 Nov 2006 12:48:41 -0800, "bdbafh" wrote:


erasmo wrote:
hi dear Forum:

what do you think about using a Carbon Frame (Benotto Black Jack) for
non-luggage touring (cyclo-tourism) ?

i have read opinions for and against the use of carbon frames in this
kind of cycling, but i would like to ask you if you think a carbon
frame could be reliable (in the long run) up to the task of riding on
road (not trail or MTB) for 100-125 miles/day, but without lugagge
(panniers et al), just the cyclist (i plan to rest at hotels)

thank you for any comment :-)

greetings

--
http://erasmo.r8.org

Typically, a rack position over the rear wheel requires mounting to
eyelets on the frame.

What makes you think the OP is using a rack?
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
On 14 Nov 2006 12:48:41 -0800, "bdbafh" wrote:


erasmo wrote:
hi dear Forum:

what do you think about using a Carbon Frame (Benotto Black Jack) for
non-luggage touring (cyclo-tourism) ?

i have read opinions for and against the use of carbon frames in this
kind of cycling, but i would like to ask you if you think a carbon
frame could be reliable (in the long run) up to the task of riding on
road (not trail or MTB) for 100-125 miles/day, but without lugagge
(panniers et al), just the cyclist (i plan to rest at hotels)

thank you for any comment :-)

greetings

--
http://erasmo.r8.org

Typically, a rack position over the rear wheel requires mounting to
eyelets on the frame.

What makes you think the OP is using a rack?
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I misread the post.

-bdbafh

erasmo wrote:
hi dear Forum:

what do you think about using a Carbon Frame (Benotto Black Jack) for
non-luggage touring (cyclo-tourism) ?

i have read opinions for and against the use of carbon frames in this
kind of cycling, but i would like to ask you if you think a carbon
frame could be reliable (in the long run) up to the task of riding on
road (not trail or MTB) for 100-125 miles/day, but without lugagge
(panniers et al), just the cyclist (i plan to rest at hotels)

thank you for any comment :-)

greetings

--
http://erasmo.r8.org

Well made carbon will do just fine.

erasmo wrote:
hi dear Forum:

what do you think about using a Carbon Frame (Benotto Black Jack) for
non-luggage touring (cyclo-tourism) ?

i have read opinions for and against the use of carbon frames in this
kind of cycling, but i would like to ask you if you think a carbon
frame could be reliable (in the long run) up to the task of riding on
road (not trail or MTB) for 100-125 miles/day, but without lugagge
(panniers et al), just the cyclist (i plan to rest at hotels)

If money is no object, you may want to consider the Parlee/Cycle
Tournesol carbone. Its designed to use a front rack and/or seatbag and
will take tires as wide as 27mm with fenders. Of course, at $6500, its
definitely not cheap!

http://www.cyclestournesol.com/tlc.htm

bfd wrote:
erasmo wrote:
hi dear Forum:

what do you think about using a Carbon Frame (Benotto Black Jack) for
non-luggage touring (cyclo-tourism) ?

i have read opinions for and against the use of carbon frames in this
kind of cycling, but i would like to ask you if you think a carbon
frame could be reliable (in the long run) up to the task of riding on
road (not trail or MTB) for 100-125 miles/day, but without lugagge
(panniers et al), just the cyclist (i plan to rest at hotels)

If money is no object, you may want to consider the Parlee/Cycle
Tournesol carbone. Its designed to use a front rack and/or seatbag and
will take tires as wide as 27mm with fenders. Of course, at $6500, its
definitely not cheap!


Now that's a carbon bike I like! The price isn't insane considering the
small production, not that I've got that sort of dosh...I like the
fender mounting, the fork crown, and the focus on using the material
for efficiency and comfort, instead of trying to be stupid light. Good
stuff.

landotter wrote:
bfd wrote:
erasmo wrote:
hi dear Forum:

what do you think about using a Carbon Frame (Benotto Black Jack) for
non-luggage touring (cyclo-tourism) ?

i have read opinions for and against the use of carbon frames in this
kind of cycling, but i would like to ask you if you think a carbon
frame could be reliable (in the long run) up to the task of riding on
road (not trail or MTB) for 100-125 miles/day, but without lugagge
(panniers et al), just the cyclist (i plan to rest at hotels)

If money is no object, you may want to consider the Parlee/Cycle
Tournesol carbone. Its designed to use a front rack and/or seatbag and
will take tires as wide as 27mm with fenders. Of course, at $6500, its
definitely not cheap!


Now that's a carbon bike I like! The price isn't insane considering the
small production, not that I've got that sort of dosh...I like the
fender mounting, the fork crown, and the focus on using the material
for efficiency and comfort, instead of trying to be stupid light. Good
stuff.

Agree. The frame is made by Bob Parlee and along with Craig Calfee and
Nic Crumpton make arguably one of the best carbon fiber frames on the
market. Add in a Wound-Up carbon fork and you have the clearance for
fenders and 25-28mm tires. At 18lbs, it is NOT LIGHT; at least in
comparison with some of the superlight stuff coming out of Taiwan.