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Another pedestrian killed by a motorist
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/5035986.stm reports the
death of another pedestrian killed while walking along the pavement. Another was seriously injured. Crashes like this are never mentioned by those whining about pavement cyclists. As the article is short, here it is: ================================================== ================== A 52-year-old woman died and a man was seriously injured after they were hit by a car on Wednesday evening. Police said a dark green Subaru Legacy apparently left the B4267 Lavernock Road in Sully, Penarth, at about 1915 BST and mounted a footpath. A 52-year-old woman was killed and a 54-year-old man suffered extensive injuries. He is in a serious condition in hospital. Police have appealed for witnesses to the accident. A South Wales Police spokesperson said: "It is known that the Subaru motor car was travelling East along Lavernock Road from the direction of Sully towards Penarth. "The two pedestrians were walking on the northern footpath towards Sully. It would appear that the Subaru has left the road and mounted the footpath where the vehicle struck both pedestrians." ================================================== ================== -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
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Another pedestrian killed by a motorist
"David Hansen" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/5035986.stm reports the death of another pedestrian killed while walking along the pavement. Another was seriously injured. Crashes like this are never mentioned by those whining about pavement cyclists. As the article is short, here it is: Sorry David, sad as it is, I cannot see what this has to do *with* cycling. |
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Another pedestrian killed by a motorist
elyob wrote:
"David Hansen" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/5035986.stm reports the death of another pedestrian killed while walking along the pavement. Another was seriously injured. Crashes like this are never mentioned by those whining about pavement cyclists. As the article is short, here it is: Sorry David, sad as it is, I cannot see what this has to do *with* cycling. Agreed - needs to be in uk.rec.driving or uk.transport if the point needs to be made. |
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Another pedestrian killed by a motorist
David Hansen wrote:
Police said a dark green Subaru Legacy apparently left the B4267 Lavernock Road in Sully, Penarth, at about 1915 BST and mounted a footpath. Mounted a footpath, eh? Must have been an off-duty cyclist. d. |
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Another pedestrian killed by a motorist
elyob wrote:
"David Hansen" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/5035986.stm reports the death of another pedestrian killed while walking along the pavement. Another was seriously injured. Crashes like this are never mentioned by those whining about pavement cyclists. As the article is short, here it is: Sorry David, sad as it is, I cannot see what this has to do *with* cycling. His gaff, his rules. He has linked it by mentioning pavement cycling, which does turn up as a topic rather regularly in this group. By the way, if you Google search all the Groups for "cyclists + pavement + pedestrians", you get 4,160 hits. A search for "motorists + pavement + pedestrians" produces 1,740. OK, it's not scientific (or interesting, probably). |
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elyob wrote:
"David Hansen" wrote in message ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/5035986.stm reports the death of another pedestrian killed while walking along the pavement. Another was seriously injured. Crashes like this are never mentioned by those whining about pavement cyclists. As the article is short, here it is: Sorry David, sad as it is, I cannot see what this has to do *with* cycling. I think it does indirectly. I believe that some 15% of pedestrian fatalities occur after a motor vehicle has left the road. Firstly this means that a ped is N (where N is a large positive number) times more likely to be injured by a motor vehicle than a cyclist when on the footpath. Secondly, it shows that riding on the 'pavement' does not mean you are safe from motor vehicles. Of course some motorists drive on the footpath because it saves them time. You can see a clip of this sort of action at: http://www.camcycle.org.uk/campaigning/issues/mcls/ These clips were taken to highlight abuse of MCLs, which police in Cambridgeshire 'do not consider a safety issue', but movie 2 shows drivers, including a driving instructor, with 2 wheels in an MCL and 2 wheels on the pavement. Actions like this at both these locations are an almost daily occurance Jim Chisholm |
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Another pedestrian killed by a motorist
David Hansen wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/5035986.stm reports the death of another pedestrian killed while walking along the pavement. Another was seriously injured. Crashes like this are never mentioned by those whining about pavement cyclists. Could it perhaps be because there is no comparison? Can you not distinguish between the deliberate act of cycling on a pavement, despite it being illegal, and despite it causing anxiety to pedestrians, and the unfortunate consequences of a motorist losing control of a vehicle and mounting a pavement without a conscience decision to so do? Now if you can state cases where motorists are deliberately and systematically driving along pavements with all four wheels and swerving between pedestrians and crossing side roads rather than using the roads, for substantial parts of their journeys[1], then that probably would be newsworthy. [1] Does not include crossing to a property, parking with two wheels on, one back wheel on while turning a corner, temporarily bumping two wheels up to squeeze through a gap - it means using it like cyclists do. -- Matt B |
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Another pedestrian killed by a motorist
I think it does indirectly. I believe that some 15% of pedestrian fatalities occur after a motor vehicle has left the road. Firstly this means that a ped is N (where N is a large positive number) times more likely to be injured by a motor vehicle than a cyclist when on the footpath. Yebbut in the fatalities, the cyclist choses to be on the pavement the motorist generally doesn't. |
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Another pedestrian killed by a motorist
David Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:02:25 +0100 someone who may be Matt B wrote this:- Can you not distinguish between the deliberate act of cycling on a pavement, despite it being illegal, and despite it causing anxiety to pedestrians, People cycling on the pavement seldom cause this pedestrian anxiety, unlike motorists driving on the pavement. Can you cite cases where motorists are deliberately and systematically driving along pavements with all four wheels, swerving between pedestrians and crossing side roads rather than using the roads? and the unfortunate consequences of a motorist losing control of a vehicle Yet you don't appear to believe that if a cyclist crashes into a pedestrian they may have lost control of their vehicle. What leads you to think that? Are you suggesting that all those who cycle on the pavement have lost control of their cycle? I *am* suggesting that the cars on pavements that you often refer are *not* there by choice. Why the double standard? No double standard. Cyclists can loose it as motorists can, but I'm not aware of any significant pavement motoring, but I am aware of significant illegal pavement cycling. -- Matt B |
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Another pedestrian killed by a motorist
Matt B said the following on 02/06/2006 12:02:
Now if you can state cases where motorists are deliberately and systematically driving along pavements with all four wheels and swerving between pedestrians and crossing side roads rather than using the roads, for substantial parts of their journeys[1], then that probably would be newsworthy. Weeeell.... funny you should mention that! Had to go out in the company van just now, and driving along the cycle/footpath leading to work was a white Escort-type van. This wasn't just a white line on the road - this is a full-blown wide pavement complete with kerb! There weren't any peds or cyclists at the time though. And as for cars driving on pavements crossing side streets, I haven't seen that happen, but a ped crossing near me was used regularly by motorists leaving a car park by some shops. As in they actually drove up to the lights, pressed the button and waited, or just went across the crossing when the green man was on. The council have now put up railings after several complaints, but it wasn't fun before that! -- Paul Boyd http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/ |
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