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Best 60 minutes EVER!
And we haven't even watched it yet.
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Best 60 minutes EVER!
"Anton Berlin" wrote in message
... And we haven't even watched it yet. When did you start saying something nice about anything iconic to the USA? Or is this related to tomorrow afternoon's rapture? --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReactionBicycles.com |
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Best 60 minutes EVER! - Double segment needed to cover just theouter layer of the Armstrong bull****.
A former teammate of perhaps the world's greatest cyclist, Lance
Armstrong, says he used banned performance-enhancing substances with Armstrong to cheat in pro races, including the Tour de France, the sport's ultimate event. For the first time, former Armstrong teammate Tyler Hamilton reveals details to Scott Pelley never heard in public before of how and when he and some of the former members of the U.S. Postal Service team led by Armstrong used banned substances, including EPO and testosterone, to gain an advantage in races that Armstrong won. Michael Radutzky and Tanya Simon are the producers. THIS IS A DOUBLE-LENGTH SEGMENT. I hope they dig into his phoney cancer foundation next. |
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Best 60 minutes EVER! - Double segment needed to cover just the outer layer of the Armstrong bull****.
Anton Berlin wrote in news:183dae53-46b9-40c6-8b80-
: I hope they dig into his phoney cancer foundation next. And I'll bet your girlfriend is already asking herself "Why the hell can't he throw the used tissues away for himself?" -- Bill Fred |
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Best 60 minutes EVER! - Double segment needed to cover just theouter layer of the Armstrong bull****.
On May 22, 1:55*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
... to gain an advantage in races that Armstrong won. Let me fix that for you: "... to gain the same advantage in races that all the other top competitors had, in races that Armstrong won." There, that's a lot more accurate. |
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Best 60 minutes EVER! - Double segment needed to cover just theouter layer of the Armstrong bull****.
On May 22, 6:41*pm, Brad Anders wrote:
On May 22, 1:55*pm, Anton Berlin wrote: ... to gain an advantage in races that Armstrong won. Let me fix that for you: "... to gain the same advantage in races that all the other top competitors had, in races that Armstrong won." There, that's a lot more accurate. That's from 60 minutes not me. |
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Best 60 minutes EVER! - Double segment needed to cover just theouter layer of the Armstrong bull****.
On 5/22/2011 4:45 PM, Anton Berlin wrote:
On May 22, 6:41 pm, Brad wrote: On May 22, 1:55 pm, Anton wrote: ... to gain an advantage in races that Armstrong won. Let me fix that for you: "... to gain the same advantage in races that all the other top competitors had, in races that Armstrong won." There, that's a lot more accurate. That's from 60 minutes not me. Brad's version is closer to what TH actually said. |
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Best 60 minutes EVER! - Double segment needed to cover just theouter layer of the Armstrong bull****.
On May 22, 9:35*pm, Substance McGravitas wrote:
On 5/22/2011 4:45 PM, Anton Berlin wrote: On May 22, 6:41 pm, Brad *wrote: On May 22, 1:55 pm, Anton *wrote: ... to gain an advantage in races that Armstrong won. Let me fix that for you: "... to gain the same advantage in races that all the other top competitors had, in races that Armstrong won." There, that's a lot more accurate. That's from 60 minutes not me. Brad's version is closer to what TH actually said. Frankie said it better. For the most part, Hamilton was a disaster in front of the camera. With all his blinking, pausing, and caveat- spewing he came off as weak and totally lacking in self-assurance. No wonder the Armstrong PR machine eats guys like him and Flandis for breakfast. |
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Best 60 minutes EVER! - Double segment needed to cover just theouter layer of the Armstrong bull****.
On May 22, 6:35*pm, Substance McGravitas wrote:
On 5/22/2011 4:45 PM, Anton Berlin wrote: On May 22, 6:41 pm, Brad *wrote: On May 22, 1:55 pm, Anton *wrote: ... to gain an advantage in races that Armstrong won. Let me fix that for you: "... to gain the same advantage in races that all the other top competitors had, in races that Armstrong won." There, that's a lot more accurate. That's from 60 minutes not me. Brad's version is closer to what TH actually said. Just watched the segment. For the most part, I think Tyler is accurately relating what he saw and what happened. However, I fault 60 Minutes for not probing further when Tyler repeatedly said that what LA was doing (and the whole Postal team, as well as Tyler), was no different from any other top teams. They did scratch at it when they asked Tyler about his initial motivations for doping, but they failed in relating to the public exactly what the "culture of cycling" was that Tyler kept talking about. IMO, that culture lives on today, and anyone who thinks things are somehow "clean" needs to eat a good Spanish steak. It also would have been instructive to discuss how that "culture" fed into the US culture of winners and losers. LA clearly understood that a clean loser is still a loser, and that nobody in the US gives a **** about a loser, no matter what the circumstances are. Again, I suggest to anyone who doubts this to read "The Unfair Advantage" by celebrated race driver Mark Donohue, who goes into detail describing how he and Roger Penske bent every rule sideways and beyond to win races. To come out a decade later in the case of LA and screech "fraud" is completely unjustified. US Postal got EXACTLY what they paid for, and they knew what the score was from day one. Where Tyler lost me was when he said that the reason he didn't 'fess up after getting nailed for homologous blood doping was to "protect the team". Bull ****ing ****. Tyler's concern was his own ass, as well- documented by his actions at the time. He's coming clean now because he was tossed a deal, sees a way to jack it into a 6-figure book deal, and expand his "clean" training business. He's as dirty as Landis, as dirty as Armstrong, and as dirty as any other pro at the highest levels. IMO, I still haven't heard a thing that convinces me that LA and his attorneys won't be able to dodge the bullet. Even the famous TdS dope test results seem to be a bust. I didn't hear Tyler say word one as to where the dope came from or how it was paid for, perhaps he did so to the GJ, maybe not. Maybe it will come out in the eventual Fed case against LA and his minions. |
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Best 60 minutes EVER!
On May 20, 6:59*pm, Anton Berlin wrote:
And we haven't even watched it yet. The only new revelation was that Lance & Bruyneel met the with the lab. The lab did label Lances test samples as "suspicious". Supposedly this was consistent with EPO. Suspicious & positive are two different things. There is some gray area in EPO testing. There plausible reasons why the UCI wanted to meet with the lab. UCI is very concerned with doping and probably wanted more info about the test results. It's also hard to fathom why the UCI would show favoritism to Armstrong when so many other famous riders have been suspended or expelled. Lance's donations to the UCI don't necessarily prove anything. The UCI is a large organization and has a lot of expenses. In the end it's quite possible that the totality of evidence will be very compelling to the grand jury for a indictment. But like I have said a indictment and a conviction are different things. |
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