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published helmet research - not troll
I know, I know. this has been hashed to hell and back,
but I figured some of you might actually want to read real research. see the most recent issue of the Journal of Public Policy (Vol. 23, Issue 23 - June 2004) - Wiley, Inc. Publisher - can get abstract from the wiley site. The Effect of Bicycle Helmet Legislation on Bicycling Fatalities - Grant and Rutner. First pass is that it was a pretty good article for what it is worth. p by the way. don't bother replying. I dont use that hotmail account anymore. |
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patrick wrote:
I know, I know. this has been hashed to hell and back, but I figured some of you might actually want to read real research. see the most recent issue of the Journal of Public Policy (Vol. 23, Issue 23 - June 2004) - Wiley, Inc. Publisher - can get abstract from the wiley site. The Effect of Bicycle Helmet Legislation on Bicycling Fatalities - Grant and Rutner. First pass is that it was a pretty good article for what it is worth. p by the way. don't bother replying. I dont use that hotmail account anymore. I recently heard something on NPR to the effect that the wearing of helmets and the rate of bicycle fatalities is hard to draw claer relationships to because many of the fatalities are/were children vs auto, where a helmet (while still a great idea) is not going to have as big an effect as it will in a one cyclist Done Fall Over incident, or even in an adult vs auto. FB - Thinks that all research aside a helmet is a good idea. (Imperically speaking of course..) |
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"Faster Bordello" wrote in message ... patrick wrote: I know, I know. this has been hashed to hell and back, but I figured some of you might actually want to read real research. see the most recent issue of the Journal of Public Policy (Vol. 23, Issue 23 - June 2004) - Wiley, Inc. Publisher - can get abstract from the wiley site. The Effect of Bicycle Helmet Legislation on Bicycling Fatalities - Grant and Rutner. First pass is that it was a pretty good article for what it is worth. p by the way. don't bother replying. I dont use that hotmail account anymore. I recently heard something on NPR to the effect that the wearing of helmets and the rate of bicycle fatalities is hard to draw claer relationships to because many of the fatalities are/were children vs auto, where a helmet (while still a great idea) is not going to have as big an effect as it will in a one cyclist Done Fall Over incident, or even in an adult vs auto. FB - Thinks that all research aside a helmet is a good idea. (Imperically speaking of course..) Where's the proof? Where's the proof? People around here don't need any real proof to be convinced that Lance is a doper, but they need proof that a helmet makes sense to wear. Bob C. |
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"psycholist" writes:
People around here don't need any real proof to be convinced that Lance is a doper, but they need proof that a helmet makes sense to wear. Nah, lots of us want proof on both counts. |
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Tim McNamara wrote in message ...
"psycholist" writes: People around here don't need any real proof to be convinced that Lance is a doper, but they need proof that a helmet makes sense to wear. Nah, lots of us want proof on both counts. As a significant comment on the pertinent article - they claim that a helmet seems to save some 15% of youth fatalities. I haven't read the article yet (I just got it) but in the abstract they say that 15% equals some 1,500 kids. Firstly, 25 years of fatalities is some 15,000 deaths. Of that only 40% or less are children or 6,000. 15% of 6,000 is 900. Furthermore, the claim is that the benefits of helmets do not seem to cross over to adults. Could this be because: 1) An adult is a lot higher from the ground. 2) An adult is a great deal heavier than a child. 3) Because helmet laws tend to heavily discourage bicycle use by children the statistics become highly skewed in directions that are difficult to quantify. 4) Since the number of deaths of bicyclists are so small the statistics are almost meaningless. "Typical" child fatalities are from riding out in front of a vehicle in motion. In these cases the specific impact points are far more important than body armor. I'll read the article tonight and be able to analyze it more fully. I will say that most articles on helmets that have been written by college professors, as this one appears to be, aren't written to be scientific knowledge but are written instead only to fulfill their collegian duty of "Publish or Perish". |
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"patrick" wrote in message om... I know, I know. this has been hashed to hell and back, but I figured some of you might actually want to read real research. see the most recent issue of the Journal of Public Policy (Vol. 23, Issue 23 - June 2004) - Wiley, Inc. Publisher - can get abstract from the wiley site. The Effect of Bicycle Helmet Legislation on Bicycling Fatalities - Grant and Rutner. First pass is that it was a pretty good article for what it is worth. It can be found he http://economics.uta.edu/grant/helmet.pdf Gemma |
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patrick wrote:
I know, I know. this has been hashed to hell and back, but I figured some of you might actually want to read real research. There has been plenty of "real research" cited on this topic. For example, you might visit http://www.cyclehelmets.org and track down some of the cited articles. Regarding the effect of helmet use on fatalities, you can visit http://www.cyclehelmets.org/mf.html#1012 and see citations at the page bottom. Another source is the Vehicular Cyclist site, at http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/ with it's "Helmet FAQ." There are lots of citations listed there, too. Both of those are helmet skeptic sites. To be fair, I must also point you to the rabidly pro-helmet "Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute", www.bhsi.org This "institute" (named Randy Swart) is working to make it illegal for anyone of any age to ride a bike at any time without a helmet. I quote: "The Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute supports carefully drawn mandatory helmet laws covering all age groups." Be aware that there is _very_ serious discussion taking place in many scholarly publications regarding the effectiveness of helmets. In general, we seem to have the public (under the influence of heavy promotion) believing that helmets are a godsend. Meanwhile, competent statisticians who examine the actual data are much, much more skeptical of both the supposed benefit, and the supposed need. -- --------------------+ Frank Krygowski [To reply, remove rodent and vegetable dot com, replace with cc.ysu dot edu] |
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Frank Krygowski writes:
Another source is the Vehicular Cyclist site, at http://www.magma.ca/~ocbc/ with it's "Helmet FAQ." There are lots of citations listed there, too. This site (at least, the so-called "Helmet FAQ") was created by a rabid anti-helmet person who would spew continued personal abuse at anyone who disagreed with him in the slightest. You should note Krygowski's tactics. He posts a link to Randy's site for "balance" but immediately disparages it. Both of those are helmet skeptic sites. To be fair, I must also point you to the rabidly pro-helmet "Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute", www.bhsi.org This "institute" (named Randy Swart) is working to make it illegal for anyone of any age to ride a bike at any time without a helmet. I quote: "The Bicycle Helmet Safety Institute supports carefully drawn mandatory helmet laws covering all age groups." Randy's site is not "rabid," even if you don't agree with everything he says (or anything he says, for that matter.) Bill -- My real name backwards: nemuaZ lliB |
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