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On Jun 15, 8:29*pm, DirtRoadie wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:07*pm, TheCoz wrote: And how the heck did Cav's wheel bend like that and not break!?!?! Are those Lightweight wheels? My guess- the wheel did break but the tire stayed glued and snapped back to what looks an intact wheel but is not. DR OK, one more interpretation. I watched the vid many times, yes, Cavendish's wheel did bend as in Marco's pic and snap back. I'm wondering if the lateral weakness of this wheel didn't contribute to the accident. It appears that when Cavendish leans on Haussler, that it caused a lateral force on the wheel. Instead of resisting the force, the low spoke count wheel had so little resistance that it collapsed, driving Cavendish down. Perhaps with a stronger wheel the accident might not have happened. Brad Anders |
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On Jun 16, 8:51*am, Brad Anders wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:29*pm, DirtRoadie wrote: On Jun 15, 8:07*pm, TheCoz wrote: And how the heck did Cav's wheel bend like that and not break!?!?! Are those Lightweight wheels? My guess- the wheel did break but the tire stayed glued and snapped back to what looks an intact wheel but is not. DR OK, one more interpretation. I watched the vid many times, yes, Cavendish's wheel did bend as in Marco's pic and snap back. I'm wondering if the lateral weakness of this wheel didn't contribute to the accident. It appears that when Cavendish leans on Haussler, that it caused a lateral force on the wheel. Instead of resisting the force, the low spoke count wheel had so little resistance that it collapsed, driving Cavendish down. Perhaps with a stronger wheel the accident might not have happened. Brad Anders God damn it - now i have to make RimSTRONG bracelets ! ( i think your right though - rim was the cause and he shouldn't be penalized ) |
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On Jun 16, 6:59*am, Anton Berlin wrote:
On Jun 16, 8:51*am, Brad Anders wrote: On Jun 15, 8:29*pm, DirtRoadie wrote: On Jun 15, 8:07*pm, TheCoz wrote: And how the heck did Cav's wheel bend like that and not break!?!?! Are those Lightweight wheels? My guess- the wheel did break but the tire stayed glued and snapped back to what looks an intact wheel but is not. DR OK, one more interpretation. I watched the vid many times, yes, Cavendish's wheel did bend as in Marco's pic and snap back. I'm wondering if the lateral weakness of this wheel didn't contribute to the accident. It appears that when Cavendish leans on Haussler, that it caused a lateral force on the wheel. Instead of resisting the force, the low spoke count wheel had so little resistance that it collapsed, driving Cavendish down. Perhaps with a stronger wheel the accident might not have happened. Brad Anders God damn it - now i have to make RimSTRONG bracelets *! *( i think your right though - rim was the cause and he shouldn't be penalized ) Oh, I think he still should be penalized, he clearly didn't hold his line. Haussler also has some responsibility here, too, as he had his head completely down and possibly could have avoided Cavendish if he'd seen him. You should subcon to Chang for your bracelet biz, and have them all done in SS. CHANGStrong, FORKStrong, RIMStrong, etc. Brad Anders |
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Anton Berlin wrote:
God damn it - now i have to make RimSTRONG bracelets ! RIMSHOT bracelets would be in greater demand around here.. |
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Brad Anders wrote:
On Jun 15, 8:29 pm, DirtRoadie wrote: On Jun 15, 8:07 pm, TheCoz wrote: And how the heck did Cav's wheel bend like that and not break!?!?! Are those Lightweight wheels? My guess- the wheel did break but the tire stayed glued and snapped back to what looks an intact wheel but is not. DR OK, one more interpretation. I watched the vid many times, yes, Cavendish's wheel did bend as in Marco's pic and snap back. I'm wondering if the lateral weakness of this wheel didn't contribute to the accident. It appears that when Cavendish leans on Haussler, that it caused a lateral force on the wheel. Instead of resisting the force, the low spoke count wheel had so little resistance that it collapsed, driving Cavendish down. Perhaps with a stronger wheel the accident might not have happened. Brad Anders I thought it looked like Haussler's front wheel rode/rolled over Cav's wheel, causing it to snap. In other news regarding the protest at today's start, bystanders claimed that Cavendish responded to criticism from riders after Tuesday's incident by spitting on the ground on front of them. |
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On 16/06/2010 04:11, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
"Michael wrote in message ... In article , wrote: On Jun 15, 6:59 pm, "Mike wrote: "Brad wrote in message ... On Jun 15, 1:51 pm, wrote: DA74 wrote: For those interested here's the link to the crash video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRFh9GuLYbs Haussler should have been paying attention. As shown by the picture below, the crash was caused when Cav's front wheel sunk into a patch of quicksand... http://www.vg.no/uploaded/image/bild...76622662924_57... ============== That's a really friggin' cool picture. You can see the rim section lying utterly flat on the road, amazing. Thank god his fork didn't explode. I don't think TK hangs around here anymore. It looks to me like Haussler caused the crash. When Haussler came across, he went into Cav. Overhead shows Cavendish moves laterally and causes the crash. I like Cavendish, yet still am happy to see two guys ride over his prostrate form; and see him get sanctioned 25 points, 30 seconds, and 200 Swiss Francs. -- Michael Press Haussler appeared to hold his line, Cavendish did not. What Cavendish did was inexcusable; he was so amped up on winning the sprint that he seemed to be in his own world. He evidently had no awareness of what was to the side of him. Had it been Graeme Brown instead of Mark Cavendish, we would assume otherwise; a deliberate attempt to intimidate another rider. Maybe this is worse. Around Graeme you're free to play dirty if need be; nobody is going to second-guess you. But around Mark, there's a de-facto (earned) respect for his place in the sprint. Neither of them held their line and neither was watching what was going on around them. More of Cav's fault as he moved more but avoidable by both parties. Pete |
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On Jun 15, 11:11*pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky"
wrote: .... ... But around Mark, there's a de-facto (earned) respect for his place in the sprint. And you've got Paul Sherwen on Versus trying every which way, unconvincingly, to minimize Cavendish's role while maximizing Haussler's role in the crash, giving it a 60/40 split in responsibility. But as folks have already noted, the overhead shot is pretty clear -- it was more like 90/10. |
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In article ,
"z, fred" wrote: Brad Anders wrote: On Jun 15, 8:29 pm, DirtRoadie wrote: On Jun 15, 8:07 pm, TheCoz wrote: And how the heck did Cav's wheel bend like that and not break!?!?! Are those Lightweight wheels? My guess- the wheel did break but the tire stayed glued and snapped back to what looks an intact wheel but is not. DR OK, one more interpretation. I watched the vid many times, yes, Cavendish's wheel did bend as in Marco's pic and snap back. I'm wondering if the lateral weakness of this wheel didn't contribute to the accident. It appears that when Cavendish leans on Haussler, that it caused a lateral force on the wheel. Instead of resisting the force, the low spoke count wheel had so little resistance that it collapsed, driving Cavendish down. Perhaps with a stronger wheel the accident might not have happened. Brad Anders I thought it looked like Haussler's front wheel rode/rolled over Cav's wheel, causing it to snap. In other news regarding the protest at today's start, bystanders claimed that Cavendish responded to criticism from riders after Tuesday's incident by spitting on the ground on front of them. That is how it looks to me. -- Old Fritz |
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In article ,
"K. Fred Gauss" wrote: Michael Press wrote: I like Cavendish, yet still am happy to see two guys ride over his prostrate form; and see him get sanctioned 25 points, 30 seconds, and 200 Swiss Francs. I'm damn glad we don't get along. He will be a better racer for it. That picture of him afterward-- scrapes and a face that belongs in the dictionary next to "shock." -- Michael Press |
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Betty wrote:
Anton Berlin wrote: God damn it - now i have to make RimSTRONG bracelets ! RIMSHOT bracelets would be in greater demand around here.. That was surprisingly clean! |
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