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Old January 9th 18, 08:33 PM posted to uk.rec.cycling
Simon Jester
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On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 11:13:41 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 08/01/2018 15:53, Simon Jester wrote:
On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 9:45:13 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 21:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:01:11 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 16:09, JNugent wrote:
On 07/01/2018 15:39, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 12:16, Simon Jester wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 9:52:53 AM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 07/01/2018 05:26, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 11:12:56 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 21:06, Simon Jester wrote:
On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 8:34:55 PM UTC, Tony Dragon wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:43, Simon Jester wrote:

http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


£274 million to upgrade 3 of the 45 junction on the M6 alone.
£4 Billion to upgrade the whole M6.

Motoring taxes generate £6 billion pa

Would you give a breakdown of motoring taxes?

VED is the only specific motoring tax, it raises £6billion pa of
which £10billion is spent on motorway maintenance, even
Autoholics Anonymous agree with that.


So the VAT on fuel, and tax on new cars, tax on vehicle
parts/service.
tolls etc does not exist.

Paid by all road users but only motorists can use motorways.


Avoidance noted, you stated that VED was the only specific motoring
tax.

No avoidance, anyone who buys a gallon of petrol pays the same price
no matter what their chosen form of transport.

And what about tax on a new car?



http://roads.highways.gov.uk/project...mart-motorway/


31 Junctions on the M5
£2.8 Billion

47 Junctions on M1
£4.3 Billion

How are motorists going to pay for this as well as the rest of
the motorways and the local road they currently use free of
charge?





I presume that you do not pay council tax, or any other form of
taxation, as local roads are paid for by the council that gets
its money
from council tax & central government.

So you agree cyclists pay for the roads they use many times over
given the 4th power of axle loading rule.



No, I stand by what I posted, that is the post that you avoided.

So you are saying cyclists do not pay council tax or income tax?



Avoidance noted,you said motorists use local roads free of charge.
Many road users do not pay income tax and/or council tax.

No avoidance, everyone pays income and council tax, but some of this
goes to fund motorways which only motorists can use.

Everybody does not pay income tax.
Everybody does not pay council tax.

Sorry to don my pedant's hat for a moment, but that should be:

"Not everybody pays income tax.
Not everybody pays council tax."

There's a difference!


I accept your correction.

But to put it into context:-
My son does not pay council tax
My brother in law does not pay income tax

So you agree cyclists not only pay for the road space they use but also subsidise motorists.
Thanks for your support.


My neighbours son (a cyclist) does not pay income tax or council tax.

Your comment therefore is not true.


Strawman alert!

The point is these new smart motorways are paid for by all tax payers whether they can use them or not.
Motoring taxes don't even cover the cost of maintaining the current motorway network.


Where does the money come from then, is it just taxes from people who do
not use motor vehicles?


Asked and answered.

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