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  #11  
Old December 22nd 17, 11:15 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-adv...heel-size.html

stiff sidewalls on fat tires improve traction on snow trails proves ?

always more gained with engineering tweaking

EG Schwalbes' more diameter roll grip in cracks leads where ?

Lighter conti sidewalls leads to grumbling

more ?


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Old December 23rd 17, 12:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 6:39:44 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:

BTW, GTF off the groomed snow trails with a bike. They are groomed for a reason, and its not for un-grooming them with a bike. I'm very conflicted when it comes to bikes on walking or skiing trails. I understand that resorts or parks need to jack up revenue and that bikes are less harmful than, say, horses -- but there is still value to a quiet trail where all you hear is footfalls or pole plants, singing birds, etc. No rattling fat bikes whipping by.

-- Jay Beattie.


Just don't accost them yourself, Jay. Remember what happened to Mike Vandeman, who was jailed by a conspiracy of perjured mountain bikers. See the comments on:
http://coolmainpress.com/ajwriting/a...piece-of-work/
In addition, I imagine you'll be disbarred for being passionate about justice.

But I'm in no danger of wrecking anyone's skiing. We just don't get enough snow to feature in a cyclist's life more than a day or two in a year. Icy roads -- another few days a year -- are more likely to be runoff water frozen between hedges that keep the weak sun off them during the shortest days of the year. During the 'nineties and a few years into this century we cycled until the week before Christmas and shortly after New Year's were back on the road. Today the temp was 12C and at 2300hrs it is still 9C, not exactly indicative of a White Christmas.

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Old December 23rd 17, 02:28 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 3:01:27 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 6:39:44 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:

BTW, GTF off the groomed snow trails with a bike. They are groomed for a reason, and its not for un-grooming them with a bike. I'm very conflicted when it comes to bikes on walking or skiing trails. I understand that resorts or parks need to jack up revenue and that bikes are less harmful than, say, horses -- but there is still value to a quiet trail where all you hear is footfalls or pole plants, singing birds, etc. No rattling fat bikes whipping by.

-- Jay Beattie.


Just don't accost them yourself, Jay. Remember what happened to Mike Vandeman, who was jailed by a conspiracy of perjured mountain bikers. See the comments on:
http://coolmainpress.com/ajwriting/a...piece-of-work/
In addition, I imagine you'll be disbarred for being passionate about justice.


No, I would just glower, and I don't bring up the subject much with my cohort. They're mostly ****ed off that so many trails are closed to bikes around here, but they're not big resort snow-riders. I don't know anyone who is a dedicated fat biker who wants to ride groomers at some Nordic or Alpine resort.

No snow so far in town, but it is slated for next week. I'm hoping to ride tomorrow with my son and then go skiing on Sunday. Not much snow in the mountains yet. I'll take my rock skis.

The only really interesting weather this year was freezing fog yesterday and ice-skating into work. Another foolish commute. I wore the wrong gloves, my hands froze, and when they thawed out, it felt like my fingers had been slammed in a car door. Time to switch to the fat gloves.


-- Jay Beattie.
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Old December 23rd 17, 03:51 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 10:15:51 PM UTC, wrote:
https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-adv...heel-size.html


I read that. I'm not sure any of it matters, except that it is easier to fit people with duck's disease to 27.5" wheel bikes.

stiff sidewalls on fat tires improve traction on snow trails proves ?


How can it prove anything if you start with an untruth?

always more gained with engineering tweaking


Sure. But development proceeds faster if you start with the correct science, in this case that the more easily deformable sidewall will keep more of the friction surface of the tyre attached to the road for longer.

EG Schwalbes' more diameter roll grip in cracks leads where ?


You're not making sense, Daniels. I don't know what it is you want to know. The advantage of the bigger radius tyre, the 29er, is that it rolls *over* cracks more easily than smaller tyres. That's the benefit of the attack angle advantage listed by REI.

Lighter conti sidewalls leads to grumbling


"Grumbling" from the sidewalls, from the customers? Schwalbe's soft sidewalls, once resticted to the more expensive Big Apple folders, now are no longer optional on the Big Apple line: you can take them across the line or buy another tyre. I've never had a sidewall-related problem on my Schwalbe in 10K of riding, and never heard of the soft sidewall giving anyone else bother.

I didn't get along with the Conti when I had them on an earlier bike: altogether too flat-prone.

more ?


More what? I've made my point.

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Old December 23rd 17, 04:02 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/22/2017 7:28 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 3:01:27 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 6:39:44 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:

BTW, GTF off the groomed snow trails with a bike. They are groomed for a reason, and its not for un-grooming them with a bike. I'm very conflicted when it comes to bikes on walking or skiing trails. I understand that resorts or parks need to jack up revenue and that bikes are less harmful than, say, horses -- but there is still value to a quiet trail where all you hear is footfalls or pole plants, singing birds, etc. No rattling fat bikes whipping by.

-- Jay Beattie.


Just don't accost them yourself, Jay. Remember what happened to Mike Vandeman, who was jailed by a conspiracy of perjured mountain bikers. See the comments on:
http://coolmainpress.com/ajwriting/a...piece-of-work/
In addition, I imagine you'll be disbarred for being passionate about justice.


No, I would just glower, and I don't bring up the subject much with my cohort. They're mostly ****ed off that so many trails are closed to bikes around here, but they're not big resort snow-riders. I don't know anyone who is a dedicated fat biker who wants to ride groomers at some Nordic or Alpine resort.

No snow so far in town, but it is slated for next week. I'm hoping to ride tomorrow with my son and then go skiing on Sunday. Not much snow in the mountains yet. I'll take my rock skis.

The only really interesting weather this year was freezing fog yesterday and ice-skating into work. Another foolish commute. I wore the wrong gloves, my hands froze, and when they thawed out, it felt like my fingers had been slammed in a car door. Time to switch to the fat gloves.



Once it drops below zero F, I like the sheepskin mittens
from US Sheepskin in Tacoma. Nothing like a piece of animal
turned inside out.

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Old December 23rd 17, 06:10 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 10:02:55 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
On 12/22/2017 7:28 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 3:01:27 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
On Friday, December 22, 2017 at 6:39:44 PM UTC, jbeattie wrote:

BTW, GTF off the groomed snow trails with a bike. They are groomed for a reason, and its not for un-grooming them with a bike. I'm very conflicted when it comes to bikes on walking or skiing trails. I understand that resorts or parks need to jack up revenue and that bikes are less harmful than, say, horses -- but there is still value to a quiet trail where all you hear is footfalls or pole plants, singing birds, etc. No rattling fat bikes whipping by.

-- Jay Beattie.

Just don't accost them yourself, Jay. Remember what happened to Mike Vandeman, who was jailed by a conspiracy of perjured mountain bikers. See the comments on:
http://coolmainpress.com/ajwriting/a...piece-of-work/
In addition, I imagine you'll be disbarred for being passionate about justice.


No, I would just glower, and I don't bring up the subject much with my cohort. They're mostly ****ed off that so many trails are closed to bikes around here, but they're not big resort snow-riders. I don't know anyone who is a dedicated fat biker who wants to ride groomers at some Nordic or Alpine resort.

No snow so far in town, but it is slated for next week. I'm hoping to ride tomorrow with my son and then go skiing on Sunday. Not much snow in the mountains yet. I'll take my rock skis.

The only really interesting weather this year was freezing fog yesterday and ice-skating into work. Another foolish commute. I wore the wrong gloves, my hands froze, and when they thawed out, it felt like my fingers had been slammed in a car door. Time to switch to the fat gloves.



Once it drops below zero F, I like the sheepskin mittens
from US Sheepskin in Tacoma. Nothing like a piece of animal
turned inside out.


Meh. If that's so good, why don't the animals wear their skin that way? ;-)

- Frank Krygowski
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Old December 23rd 17, 08:54 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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2+.1=2.1

..1+2.1=1.9 !

Last I looked Schall were heavily made kinda imitating auto tires ..

$uccessful strategy

NOT 'in keeping' with trad bike devoted yet very supportive there of touring.
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Old December 23rd 17, 12:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, December 23, 2017 at 7:54:40 AM UTC, wrote:

Last I looked Schall were heavily made kinda imitating auto tires ..

$uccessful strategy

NOT 'in keeping' with trad bike devoted yet very supportive there of touring.


Exactly. Because I ride touring bikes, I hang out mainly with tourers, and I can't actually name one who isn't on Schwalbe tyres... Roadies are irrelevant, except that so many designers still cling desperately onto their roadie background as a substitute for their lost youth. The delusion that they're still "fast", which of course is shared by their clientele, skews bike design quite disastrously and does more than even the likes of the execrable Krygowski to put Joe and Jane off cycling.

But of course you knew that already but wouldn't say so on RBT.

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Old December 23rd 17, 12:36 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Yup...sheepskins and vibram soled packs, layered polyester breathable clothing with a Gore jacket, ski mask

And it's lay in the snow n tan.

Or sit on the lift n sail down.

A slow walk down the snowy lane

But getting it right for splitting wood or downwind touring on your new schwalbees avoiding dead half eaten animals...a toughie

My sheepskins are pliable n comfy after 25 years in FL
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Old December 24th 17, 01:44 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 5:12:27 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
[non team player comments removed]

https://www.bikerumor.com/2017/12/20...up-against-26/

[sarcasm removed]

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Safety equipment is the only area where its worth upgrading older items. Can anyone argue that an Oculus saves lives where older bike lights, and even what else is on the market today, still can't light up the road or trail as well?
 




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