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Old January 8th 18, 12:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sat, 6 Jan 2018 22:28:36 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

Just wondering if when it's known that there can be black ice on the roads if anyone here wears a helmet or other protection (such as elbow pads) that they'd not normally wear when the roads are clear. Do you?


For slick roads, my protective gear has a street address. Last time I
had a diversion-type fall, I was hugging a telephone pole every time I
coughed from November into the new year.

Sigh. I took an identical fall in the '80s, and got back on the bike
and finished riding from New York to Indiana.

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Old January 8th 18, 12:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 1/7/2018 1:59 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Sir Ridesalot writes:

Just wondering if when it's known that there can be black ice on the
roads if anyone here wears a helmet or other protection (such as elbow
pads) that they'd not normally wear when the roads are clear. Do you?


I just slow down and watch more carefully than usual. I'm not sure how
covert ice has to be to be called "black", but find that ice along the
verge is usually visible, if only because the usual asphalt roughness is
gone. In the dark, of course, one can be surprised.


The bitter cold has passed here. Balmy 25F today which means
we can make snowballs again! How cold was it in the Midwest?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/ho...ats-are-dying/

I saw it on the radio. Man, that's cold.

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Old January 8th 18, 02:01 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Anyone wear a helmet or elbow pads 4 black ice conditions?

Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Just wondering if when it's known that there can be black ice on the
roads if anyone here wears a helmet or other protection (such as elbow
pads) that they'd not normally wear when the roads are clear. Do you?

Cheers


I normally wear a helmet so that’s no different. But I have some long
sleeve jerseys with pads in the elbows. With that and my jacket, I’m ok I
think.

I don’t wear hockey type elbow pads though if that’s what you mean.

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Old January 8th 18, 02:25 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 10:52:55 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/7/2018 12:39 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 1:28:40 AM UTC-5, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Just wondering if when it's known that there can be black ice on the roads if anyone here wears a helmet or other protection (such as elbow pads) that they'd not normally wear when the roads are clear. Do you?


I'm with Tim McNamara on this.
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when buses and beer trucks are doing the hula across the
curbs, there's no place in the street for a bicycle.


If it's sheet ice, it's hard standing up let alone riding a bike, even with studs. It's a no-ride day for me. Black ice often occurs on otherwise rideable days -- you gain a few hundred feet in elevation or ride through a shady spot. When I ride on those days, I don't put on armor -- I just go slowly in suspicious areas, and I typically stay out of the hills or do dirt climbs if I have to climb.

Hard pack snow and ice can be rideable, particularly with studs, but around here, I'll only ride in the fluffy stuff. It's not consistently cold in PDX, and on day two or three after a snowfall, all the pedestrian trails end up with deep, refrozen boot-holes that are unrideable. The roads might be rideable, but the lanes are too narrowed, and PDX drivers don't know how to cope with snow.

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Old January 8th 18, 02:30 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Frank Krygowski writes:

On 1/7/2018 1:28 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Just wondering if when it's known that there can be black ice on the
roads if anyone here wears a helmet or other protection (such as
elbow pads) that they'd not normally wear when the roads are
clear. Do you?


Well, "it's known that there can be black ice" sounds to me like "It's
near or below freezing."


Surely you need two things for black ice: freezing temperatures and
liquid water. Hoarfrost isn't black, neither is snow. To get
transparent ice on a reasonably crowned road you need quite a bit of
liquid water, so I expect black ice when snow melting temperatures are
quickly followed by temperatures well below freezing.

At my advanced age, I don't ride as much as I used to when it's below
freezing. My riding is mostly confined to utility trips around our
village. But no, I don't add any head or body armor. I just ride
really slowly and carefully.

FWIW: As a teen, I had a very large paper route (2nd biggest in the
city). Delivering by bike with a big basket was much easier than
trudging with a shoulder bag, so unless snow cover exceeded an inch or
so, I rode the bike. As a result, I may have better snow-riding
reflexes than most people.


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Old January 8th 18, 03:08 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 1/7/2018 7:30 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
Frank Krygowski writes:

On 1/7/2018 1:28 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
Just wondering if when it's known that there can be black ice on the
roads if anyone here wears a helmet or other protection (such as
elbow pads) that they'd not normally wear when the roads are
clear. Do you?


Well, "it's known that there can be black ice" sounds to me like "It's
near or below freezing."


Surely you need two things for black ice: freezing temperatures and
liquid water. Hoarfrost isn't black, neither is snow. To get
transparent ice on a reasonably crowned road you need quite a bit of
liquid water, so I expect black ice when snow melting temperatures are
quickly followed by temperatures well below freezing.

At my advanced age, I don't ride as much as I used to when it's below
freezing. My riding is mostly confined to utility trips around our
village. But no, I don't add any head or body armor. I just ride
really slowly and carefully.

FWIW: As a teen, I had a very large paper route (2nd biggest in the
city). Delivering by bike with a big basket was much easier than
trudging with a shoulder bag, so unless snow cover exceeded an inch or
so, I rode the bike. As a result, I may have better snow-riding
reflexes than most people.



Or a salt slush base then colder temperatures and a little
added snow so it all freezes. Cars pack it shiny and hard.

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Old January 8th 18, 04:06 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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AMuzi wrote:
:On 1/7/2018 7:30 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
: Frank Krygowski writes:
:
: On 1/7/2018 1:28 AM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
: Just wondering if when it's known that there can be black ice on the
: roads if anyone here wears a helmet or other protection (such as
: elbow pads) that they'd not normally wear when the roads are
: clear. Do you?
:
: Well, "it's known that there can be black ice" sounds to me like "It's
: near or below freezing."
:
: Surely you need two things for black ice: freezing temperatures and
: liquid water. Hoarfrost isn't black, neither is snow. To get
: transparent ice on a reasonably crowned road you need quite a bit of
: liquid water, so I expect black ice when snow melting temperatures are
: quickly followed by temperatures well below freezing.
:
: At my advanced age, I don't ride as much as I used to when it's below
: freezing. My riding is mostly confined to utility trips around our
: village. But no, I don't add any head or body armor. I just ride
: really slowly and carefully.
:
: FWIW: As a teen, I had a very large paper route (2nd biggest in the
: city). Delivering by bike with a big basket was much easier than
: trudging with a shoulder bag, so unless snow cover exceeded an inch or
: so, I rode the bike. As a result, I may have better snow-riding
: reflexes than most people.
:

:Or a salt slush base then colder temperatures and a little
:added snow so it all freezes. Cars pack it shiny and hard.

When it's really cold (zero F and down) you get ice from things like
condensation from tail pipes at stop lights, and from storm sewer
'steam' refreezing. Those cna be be damn surprising.



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Old January 8th 18, 06:35 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default Anyone wear a helmet or elbow pads 4 black ice conditions?

On Sunday, January 7, 2018 at 5:21:12 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:

The bitter cold has passed here. Balmy 25F today which means
we can make snowballs again! How cold was it in the Midwest?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/ho...ats-are-dying/

I saw it on the radio. Man, that's cold.

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I'm a hundred or so miles south of you. We made it up to mid 30s today. Next four days are supposed to be mid-upper 30s and maybe even low 40s. Then back into the freezer, sort of. Not as cold as a week or so ago, but much colder than freezing. Funny how freezing seems warm. "It was a smoking hot day today. We got all the way up to freezing!"
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Old January 8th 18, 04:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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AMuzi wrote:
:On 1/7/2018 1:59 PM, Radey Shouman wrote:
: Sir Ridesalot writes:
:
: Just wondering if when it's known that there can be black ice on the
: roads if anyone here wears a helmet or other protection (such as elbow
: pads) that they'd not normally wear when the roads are clear. Do you?
:
: I just slow down and watch more carefully than usual. I'm not sure how
: covert ice has to be to be called "black", but find that ice along the
: verge is usually visible, if only because the usual asphalt roughness is
: gone. In the dark, of course, one can be surprised.
:

:The bitter cold has passed here. Balmy 25F today which means
:we can make snowballs again! How cold was it in the Midwest?

:https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/ho...ats-are-dying/

:I saw it on the radio. Man, that's cold.

I see dead rats on a regular basis, even when it's not stupidly cold.
I doubt the cold is killing them (directly, it'll kill the sick ones,
etc).


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