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Old December 18th 17, 08:41 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 8:12:27 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 12/17/2017 4:13 AM, Tosspot wrote:

Joining in subjectively, the garage looks photo-shopped.* However, the
beam pattern is exactly like my CYO.* I angle it down a fraction more
than in that picture, cutoff hits the ground ~20-30 metres from the
bike, making that dip between near and far more pronounced, but that it
what it looks like on unlit asphalt.

Look at the bleed left and right, that's what I don't see the need for!


Personally, I think the next development in bike headlight optics should
be to purposely add lateral beam width, and with an upward component. I
want cutoff straight ahead, as with automobile lights. But if there were
a little more light thrown (say) up to the right, it would help on a
right turn into a driveway or tight street intersection that was unlit.
The upward component would be to compensate for the bike's tilt during
the turn.

A further benefit would be a brighter light directed toward motorists
approaching a stop sign as the bicyclist proceeded with the right of way.

--
- Frank Krygowski


From the video of descending Highway 9 with an Oculus, you can see that it has the lateral and upward light throw which light up around the turns. Racers at RAAM loved this on the fast descents and curves where the support van (mostly Sprinter type vehicles) can't keep up. It also has more sideways light, shining sideways out a side street when facing forward at an intersection, and downward on the road immediately below and on your bike and feet, than any other light that you might find to compare with. No problem seeing your bottle cages at night with an Oculus on your bike. To car drivers, it looks more like a car headlight pattern on the road, that they can't see is just a bicycle.
When coming up on other bicyclists from behind, they also sometimes get fooled into believing it could be a car approaching.
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  #152  
Old December 18th 17, 08:44 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 11:00:13 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/18/2017 10:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 00:03:40 -0800, sms
wrote:

As an aside, related to "dark bicycle infrastructure," I inquired from
our traffic engineer as to whether or not a new planned path would have
lighting, and he said, "probably not" since it will be on Santa Clara
County Water District land and they don't want lighting in riparian
areas, even though in this case it's not a creek, just a drainage ditch.
I'd like to see lighting as it will end up being a heavily used
multi-use trail if it is ever built, including night and early morning.


No problem. Just issue flashlights and bicycle lights at the
beginning of the trail, and have riders deposit them in a bin at the
other end. The total cost of such lights would probably be less than
the cost of the environmental impact study needed to build anything in
a riparian corridor. If economics don't work out to the council's
liking, then invent the flashlight and bicycle light vending machine.


The "thing" is that unlike an MUP along a creek, which really is a
riparian area, this drainage ditch is not. The MUP would run on the
south side of the 280 sound wall from the Mary Avenue Bicycle Bridge,
past Apple's Infinite Loop campus, and continue to Apple's new Apple
Park campus.

I can't imagine it being pleasant to ride right next to the freeway, but
it is what it is.


The riparian issue came up when I tried to get lighting on Steven's Creek Trail on either side of the bridge over Central Expressway.
These issues can come down to whether the trail is considered a thoroughfare or a park, requiring 24 hour access or that can be declared officially close after dark.
  #153  
Old December 18th 17, 08:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 11:00:13 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/18/2017 10:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 00:03:40 -0800, sms
wrote:

As an aside, related to "dark bicycle infrastructure," I inquired from
our traffic engineer as to whether or not a new planned path would have
lighting, and he said, "probably not" since it will be on Santa Clara
County Water District land and they don't want lighting in riparian
areas, even though in this case it's not a creek, just a drainage ditch.
I'd like to see lighting as it will end up being a heavily used
multi-use trail if it is ever built, including night and early morning.


No problem. Just issue flashlights and bicycle lights at the
beginning of the trail, and have riders deposit them in a bin at the
other end. The total cost of such lights would probably be less than
the cost of the environmental impact study needed to build anything in
a riparian corridor. If economics don't work out to the council's
liking, then invent the flashlight and bicycle light vending machine.


The "thing" is that unlike an MUP along a creek, which really is a
riparian area, this drainage ditch is not. The MUP would run on the
south side of the 280 sound wall from the Mary Avenue Bicycle Bridge,
past Apple's Infinite Loop campus, and continue to Apple's new Apple
Park campus.

I can't imagine it being pleasant to ride right next to the freeway, but
it is what it is.


Pfff. Next to the highway? Try riding down the middle at rush hour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5TYlJ7xD50 This is how we handle our riparian areas.

-- Jay Beattie.


  #154  
Old December 18th 17, 09:07 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 11:49:51 AM UTC-8, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 11:00:13 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/18/2017 10:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 00:03:40 -0800, sms
wrote:

As an aside, related to "dark bicycle infrastructure," I inquired from
our traffic engineer as to whether or not a new planned path would have
lighting, and he said, "probably not" since it will be on Santa Clara
County Water District land and they don't want lighting in riparian
areas, even though in this case it's not a creek, just a drainage ditch.
I'd like to see lighting as it will end up being a heavily used
multi-use trail if it is ever built, including night and early morning.

No problem. Just issue flashlights and bicycle lights at the
beginning of the trail, and have riders deposit them in a bin at the
other end. The total cost of such lights would probably be less than
the cost of the environmental impact study needed to build anything in
a riparian corridor. If economics don't work out to the council's
liking, then invent the flashlight and bicycle light vending machine.


The "thing" is that unlike an MUP along a creek, which really is a
riparian area, this drainage ditch is not. The MUP would run on the
south side of the 280 sound wall from the Mary Avenue Bicycle Bridge,
past Apple's Infinite Loop campus, and continue to Apple's new Apple
Park campus.

I can't imagine it being pleasant to ride right next to the freeway, but
it is what it is.


Pfff. Next to the highway? Try riding down the middle at rush hour. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5TYlJ7xD50 This is how we handle our riparian areas.

-- Jay Beattie.


We could use such forward thinking traffic engineers out here.
Some towns have crosswalks with a bucket of flags on either side for crossing pedestrians to hold up to traffic. Maybe downtown Willow Glen on Lincoln?
  #155  
Old December 18th 17, 09:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/18/2017 11:44 AM, Oculus Lights wrote:
On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 11:00:13 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/18/2017 10:10 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2017 00:03:40 -0800, sms
wrote:

As an aside, related to "dark bicycle infrastructure," I inquired from
our traffic engineer as to whether or not a new planned path would have
lighting, and he said, "probably not" since it will be on Santa Clara
County Water District land and they don't want lighting in riparian
areas, even though in this case it's not a creek, just a drainage ditch.
I'd like to see lighting as it will end up being a heavily used
multi-use trail if it is ever built, including night and early morning.

No problem. Just issue flashlights and bicycle lights at the
beginning of the trail, and have riders deposit them in a bin at the
other end. The total cost of such lights would probably be less than
the cost of the environmental impact study needed to build anything in
a riparian corridor. If economics don't work out to the council's
liking, then invent the flashlight and bicycle light vending machine.


The "thing" is that unlike an MUP along a creek, which really is a
riparian area, this drainage ditch is not. The MUP would run on the
south side of the 280 sound wall from the Mary Avenue Bicycle Bridge,
past Apple's Infinite Loop campus, and continue to Apple's new Apple
Park campus.

I can't imagine it being pleasant to ride right next to the freeway, but
it is what it is.


The riparian issue came up when I tried to get lighting on Steven's Creek Trail on either side of the bridge over Central Expressway.
These issues can come down to whether the trail is considered a thoroughfare or a park, requiring 24 hour access or that can be declared officially close after dark.


Exactly. "Officially" many of these creeek trails are closed after dark,
but there is really no desire or method to close them, they just say
that for liability reasons. But the proposed Cupertino trail is not in a
riparian area, it's not a creek, it's a little-used drainage ditch.

  #156  
Old December 18th 17, 09:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 8:10:12 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:

Didn't I read somewhere that Usenet was not intended for commercial
posting, advertisement and other such activity was frowned on? --


Well, yes, but there is no mechanism for enforcement. Except for
moderated newsgroups, Usenet has always relied on self-correction.


To clarify, Daniel Emerson and Tom Carrol are CEOs of Light and Motion, and Nite Rider. I do emulate some of the key factors for success in how they run their companies. One is when, and when not, and how far to go, with customer dissatisfaction.
  #157  
Old December 18th 17, 09:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 12/18/2017 12:07 PM, Oculus Lights wrote:

snip

Some towns have crosswalks with a bucket of flags on either side for crossing pedestrians to hold up to traffic. Maybe downtown Willow Glen on Lincoln?


Laugh, but those buckets of flags work really well. Observe it on a
school-day morning. We have several locations with them in Cupertino.
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Old December 18th 17, 11:18 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 3:28:23 PM UTC-5, Oculus Lights wrote:
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 8:10:12 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:

Didn't I read somewhere that Usenet was not intended for commercial
posting, advertisement and other such activity was frowned on? --


Well, yes, but there is no mechanism for enforcement. Except for
moderated newsgroups, Usenet has always relied on self-correction.


To clarify, Daniel Emerson and Tom Carrol are CEOs of Light and Motion, and Nite Rider. I do emulate some of the key factors for success in how they run their companies. One is when, and when not, and how far to go, with customer dissatisfaction.


From what I've read on other bicycling and/or bicycling lighting forums, if a cutomer of yours is dissatisfied with the product they are SOL, you blame the customer for the problem and you soon resort tio extremely colurful language..

Cheers
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Old December 19th 17, 12:35 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 8:30:50 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
On 12/15/2017 7:40 PM, Oculus Lights wrote:


That's not too helpful. In any case, there is no way to remove a Usenet
posting.


agreed.


I would respectfully suggest that you put that information on your web
site. Also, glaringly absent from your web site, is a "Specifications"
button, i.e. What is the output at each setting?


I get very few inquiries about burn times, compared to other questions.

With five settings, its less important than saying there are five settings. Knowing five settings tells the reader that the light should have a setting for any use they need instead of needing to wonder if it will be as bright enough as they need for as long as they need it for.

On the 1800 1 hour, ~70 56 hours, ~275 10 hours, 525 5 hours, 925 2:10
on the 3000 52 mins, ~150 36 hours, 500 6:30 (or 650 for 5:50), 1100 2:40, 1800 1:20
with out of the box power tables. The "test" or "race" power tables give longer burn times with slightly less power that the eye doesn't notice. Seven different power tables to either remove the bottom or top, with narrower ranges in between.
Currently shipping the 3000 with the "race" power table that removed the 36 hour, and gives ~500 @ 6:30, ~950 for 3:00+, 1700+ for 1:30+, and ~2500 instead of 3000 etc.
Race table on the 1800 is ~45% of brightness on the 3000.


When I was evaluating integrated-battery lights, I chose the Lezyne
Decadrive 1500XXL. The Oculus looked good also, but I liked some things
about the Lezyne better. Ended up buying two of them, along with extra
aluminum mounts for other bicycles.

1500XXL Positives
-----------------
1. Metal enclosure. Being an engineer, and dealing with thermal issues
on a continuous basis for 25+ years, and having experienced LED failures
from heat, the Lezyne design appealed to me more due to their thermal
solution, even though it adds weight,


Oculus' cool polymer main body carries heat as well as aluminum weighing half as much. Oculus doesn't "bury" heat on the inside like metal housings. Thermal dimming lower to medium setting at 65C. Takes ~8 minutes at 20C sitting still to reach that. In motion, 6mph+, never gets over 45C.


2. Mounts. Leyzne offers an aluminum handlebar mount
http://www.lezyne.com/product-led-acc-alhandlebrmt.php. You can have
these mounts on each bicycle and it's faster reattaching a strap every
time it's removed (and unlike lights with separate battery packs, you
remove integrated-battery lights a LOT).


How much extra are you paying for that? Oculus' field replaceable battery design removes the need to r&r the whole light. That Lezyne mount doesn't fit an MTB bar, wingbar, aerobar, anatomic bar, helmet. Only a bare unwrapped section of standard round handlebar. Also, aluminum is brittle, it snaps, doesn't flex like Oculus' polycarbonate mount + Velcro mount.

3. Specs. Lezyne specifies the lumens at each setting. Their web site is
very informative.

What any big company with a fully funded marketing budget can do.
You're biking with a headlight, not buying a website. My sales conversion % is good given my limited time and resources.
I'm limited by getting hits to the site, not by what people do when they get there.
Wan to operate my web and social marketing? Want to pay someone to put up every spec of technical minutia? I would love it!!!!! If I took every suggestion how I could spend my time I would get nothing done that needs to be.



4. Beam pattern. Sufficient side spill and sufficient top beam.


Doesn't, the design can't, come close to how far and bright the side projection of an Oculus. Oculus shines up in the center in your own lane, stays low on the sides so it doesn't blind oncoming drivers.


5. Micro USB rechargable, high-current charger available.


Oculus goes one better. Has micro USB, high power barrel input, and
https://www.barrybeams.com/store/p27...a_charge..html
you can use any phone charger/car USB supply with a USB to 2.1mm barrel jack cable for a true high power charge if you don't have the high powered charger that Oculus includes in the box, doesn't charge more for. The 3000Extreme also comes what the Phone charger/car USB adapter cable included at no extra charge too.


6. Price. The Lezyne Decadrive 1500XXL sells for under $100.

http://www.masherz.com/products/lezyne/superdrive1500xxlheadlightblack.htm

$130 actually, plus the cost of your mounts and high powered charger make it higher than an Oculus 1800Ultra, if compared apples to apples.
Plus how much are you paying extra for the high power charger that you get for free with an Oculus, and the aluminum mount that still isn't as resilient as the "guaranteed unbreakable" polycarbonate mount and 500# pound test Velcro strap that comes with the Oculus?



1500XXL Negatives
-----------------
1. Can't swap batteries in the field. While it's not that difficult to
take it apart to replace batteries that have lost capacity, you would
obviously not do that while out on a ride. However their newer model,
the Decadrive 1500i (not the one I have) has an option for connecting an
external power pack
http://www.lezyne.com/product-led-acc-infinitelightpwrpk.php to extend
the range. Still, that's a lot more expensive than carrying an extra
18650 or 26650 cell.


You can plug an external power pack into the Oculus right now, right into the charging jack using Oculus' supplied or any standard USB to barrel jack adapter cable.

https://www.barrybeams.com/store/p27...a_charge..html


2. DRL flash lumens is only 150.


Oculus has six extremely high attention getting daytime flutter and pulse modes, of three to five steps and varying brightnesses each. Some hit full power, other at lower levels for longer battery time. Also includes two standard blinking settings for those who want it, one brighter, one dimmer for longer battery time.


3. Mode switch is difficult to get the light into the preferred mode.


Oculus ships with a triple click safety switch mode. A combination of switch presses programs it back to a single click on/off, with press to dim and shut.


4. Heavy at 267.6 grams (9.4 ounces).


Oculus true scale weight on my Park gram scale:
lightweight battery: 205 grams
with high capacity battery: 255 grams.

Compare with L&M Taz at 215 and Cateye Volt at 255 or higher.

All weights include the mount and strap.


5. Charger not included.


Oculus comes with high power charger. Light has both high power barrel jack and standard power micro-usb.
Oculus 3000 also includes USB to high power barrel jack cable allowing any phone charger or car USB supply to charge at full power.


Oculus Positives


++ lifetime limited warranty
++$99 no fault repair or replacement, including against theft.

----------------
1. Swappable batteries.


Thank you, an inexcusable amount of money went into making that design work..


2. Excellent beam, though I like the upward spill of the Lezyne better
because in my area there are a lot of low hanging trees near the road
shoulder.


Try mounting the light inverted, sounds like you might like that view better. Most TT and mant MTB racers prefer the inverted view of the road or trail.


3. Slightly lighter than the Lezyne, at 1/2 pound (according to one
review--specs not available on Oculus site), due to plastic construction.


Oculus true scale weight on my Park gram scale:
lightweight battery: 205 grams
with high capacity battery: 255 grams.
Compare with L&M Taz at 215 and Cateye Volt at 255 or higher.
All weights include the mount and strap.


4. High-current charger included.


3000Extreme also includes the phone charger/car USB adapter cord at no extra cost allowing car and phone adapter charging at the same shorter charging times.


5. Option to use either 26650 or 18650 battery.


Christoph Strasser asked if I could make it lighter. The Panasonic 3500mAH 18650 reduces 50 grams off the battery weight (43g vs 93grams), and still give 2/3 of the burn time as the 26650 battery. The rubber spacers were not a standard o-ring and density to spec and find in quantity.

Oculus Negatives
----------------
1. Plastic construction.


Is all plastic alike? Are all condoms the same?

Oculus top and bottom covers and mount is the same plastic is polycarbonate, same as hockey boards and basketball backboards. More resilient than other plastics and much less prone to crack under high shock and vibration than aluminum.


2. No permanent mount available, you have to strap and unstrap it every
time.

3. Unknown specs. If the specs are on that gawd-awful web site
somewhere, I can't find them.


Battery specs on the user guide. Same comments about the website as above.


4. Charger is not Micro USB, so a need to carry a separate charger on tours.


Really?
What about:

https://www.barrybeams.com/store/p27...a_charge..html

and, there is a micro-USB jack built in.


5. 50% more expensive.


I love a good math argument. (-:

Add the link you posted plus add on mounts and chargers, and you're paying the same or higher. Also, locals can pick up or I meet people locally for direct delivery and setup.


I also have to say, with all due respect to Barry, that the Oculus web
site almost certainly scares many potential customers away. It's very
poorly done and unprofessional.


See comments above about the website.
Most startups end up under-funded for marketing, and Oculus is not exception.
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Old December 19th 17, 01:33 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 2:18:26 PM UTC-8, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, December 18, 2017 at 3:28:23 PM UTC-5, Oculus Lights wrote:
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 8:10:12 PM UTC-8, Tim McNamara wrote:

Didn't I read somewhere that Usenet was not intended for commercial
posting, advertisement and other such activity was frowned on? --

Well, yes, but there is no mechanism for enforcement. Except for
moderated newsgroups, Usenet has always relied on self-correction.


To clarify, Daniel Emerson and Tom Carrol are CEOs of Light and Motion, and Nite Rider. I do emulate some of the key factors for success in how they run their companies. One is when, and when not, and how far to go, with customer dissatisfaction.



From what I've read on other bicycling and/or bicycling lighting forums, if a cutomer of yours is dissatisfied with the product they are SOL, you blame the customer for the problem and you soon resort tio extremely colurful language..

Cheers

FI.

IF the customer is to blame and they have already ****ed in your face after several best efforts to satisfy them and tried to incite others in a court of public opinion to try to defy the laws of physics, then YES, I cut them off like any other company does.
Oculus is about as liberal as it gets for customer goodwill and the only one with a limited lifetime warranty (except 6 months on batteries).

Will you name who you claim are the multitudes on the internet? There's one list in one place fueled by big advertising and sponsorship money from other bike light companies.
We know one disgruntled customer, Edward Davis, who set out to discredit me and broke one light and got a free no fault replacement before the first light came back, then voided the warranty on the other, then resorted to petty juvenile claims like I must have used purified water instead of tap water, and so on in a degrading false defense that any other company would cut off much quicker than I tolerated him for.
Another from that Nite Rider sponsored MTBR thread is the guy hiding anonymously behind a keyboard who claimed he didn't buy a rental light at a race because his SO's light drained its battery mid-lap and declared that it had to be a bad battery but of course there was no chance in hell that they could have had the light on a higher setting than they thought.
Any others? Not a single RAAM, Planet Ultra, 24 hour MTB, double century, other major event light user?
One east coast ultra racer had a hard impact, may have blown out her charging circuit with a battery installed backward, but no matter, they got a no-fault upgrade from an 1800Ultra to a new 3000Extreme for only paying the $99 no-fault replacement fee. Other option was $69 for a board replacement instead of the upgrade. No behind my back attacks, just an honest customer with an honest good-will adjustment, still loving using the light when biking at night.
The majority of any customer base are civil, reasonable, and honest. Others, like you're giving us evidence for, hide behind a keyboard as an internet troll with ego agendas instead of having a legitimate issue.
 




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