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  #181  
Old September 10th 18, 07:49 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2018-09-09 08:33, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/9/2018 10:44 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-08 17:27, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:25:57 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-08 09:00, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/8/2018 10:12 AM, Joerg wrote:
I have a small SUV but that only holds one bike so if a friend
comes along we either need a truck or two cars.

Why on earth can you not carry more than one bike with a small
SUV?


You need a receiver plus an outside bike rack, neither of which I
have. I can get one bike inside but laying another on top of it is
out because the lifting aggravates my back pain and it can smash
stuff on the bikes, such as derailers.



In 1985 we bought a new Honda Civic station wagon. That's a very
tiny car. Yet a year later we drove that car to California and
back, towing a tiny camping trailer and carrying three bikes. Two
(including the tandem) were on the roof and one was on the rear
rack.


Don't have a roof or rear rack, and no receiver.

FYI, those things can be purchased on the open market.



Sure.

Receiver assy ... $200 (and only for the clone version)
Cable kit ... $ 50
Light bar ... $ 50
Bike rack ... $150


Oh for Pete's sake, you're quoting the most expensive possibility.



For my SUV those are EBay prices. Name-brand you could probably multiply
everything by three.


... If
you can't afford that your business must not be as successful as you
pretend.


I am winding it down, on purpose, because I'd like to retire early.
Also, a good businessman calculates everything and when another solution
(pickup truck) is less expensive overall then that is the preferable
solution.


So go to a garage sale and get a simple bike rack that straps on the
rear tailgate. I have two I acquired that way, and I rarely go near a
garage sale. Alternately you could buy a roof rack. I have two
inexpensive ones that have worked fine.


I do not trust trunk mount racks with heavy bikes on there.


I can install that myself to save another $200 or so for a shop but a
pickup truck is way more practical.


I've installed four hitches on our various cars over the years,
completely fabricating the first. Even you should not have to pay for
installation.


That's why it isn't listed in my cost tally.


But "A pickup truck is way more practical" is the typical American
solution to everything. "Gosh, what if I have to haul two tons of rocks?
That might happen some time in the next ten years, so I'd better buy a
vehicle that gets 15 miles per gallon when I get my groceries. Or hey, a
diesel! I can roll coal!"


Easy to say for an urban dweller. I am using my SUV like a pickup truck
a lot. Loads of firewood across rutted roads, half a ton of fuel pellets
at a time, schlepping gear to a client, and so on.


[Jay Beattie wrote:] I put two
bikes and a rack in the back of a VW bug.


Of course I have done stuff like that before. The results were often
unpleasant, such as bent derailer hangers and out of shape brake rotors.


It's all about competence.


Nope, it happens.


The main issue though is a lower back problem because a lot of lifting
while bent is required, something that can really ruin my day.


Strap the folding rack on the rear hatch. Lift straight up. Jeez...


Not trusting those racks.

--
Regards, Joerg

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  #182  
Old September 10th 18, 09:10 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 9/10/2018 2:49 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-09 08:33, Frank Krygowski wrote:

But "A pickup truck is way more practical" is the typical American
solution to everything. "Gosh, what if I have to haul two tons of rocks?
That might happen some time in the next ten years, so I'd better buy a
vehicle that gets 15 miles per gallon when I get my groceries. Or hey, a
diesel! I can roll coal!"


Easy to say for an urban dweller. I am using my SUV like a pickup truck
a lot. Loads of firewood across rutted roads, half a ton of fuel pellets
at a time, schlepping gear to a client, and so on.


I built my own utility trailer back in the 1970s. I've used it to haul
bikes and vacation gear about 1000 miles and back again. I've hauled at
least a ton of landscaping rocks. I used it to haul part of our
household goods when we moved over 700 miles. I've used it to help two
different friends move. About three weeks ago, I used it to haul a ton
of gravel for part of my yard's landscaping.

All those were done with compact or sub-compact cars. The current one
averages 40 mpg in normal use.

Maybe you do need a pickup truck, but I don't think you've proven that a
trailer wouldn't work.

Strap the folding rack on the rear hatch. Lift straight up. Jeez...


Not trusting those racks.


I knew they wouldn't work for you. Nothing does.

--
- Frank Krygowski
  #183  
Old September 10th 18, 09:26 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:49:20 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-09 08:33, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/9/2018 10:44 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-08 17:27, jbeattie wrote:
On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 9:25:57 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-08 09:00, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/8/2018 10:12 AM, Joerg wrote:
I have a small SUV but that only holds one bike so if a friend
comes along we either need a truck or two cars.

Why on earth can you not carry more than one bike with a small
SUV?


You need a receiver plus an outside bike rack, neither of which I
have. I can get one bike inside but laying another on top of it is
out because the lifting aggravates my back pain and it can smash
stuff on the bikes, such as derailers.



In 1985 we bought a new Honda Civic station wagon. That's a very
tiny car. Yet a year later we drove that car to California and
back, towing a tiny camping trailer and carrying three bikes. Two
(including the tandem) were on the roof and one was on the rear
rack.


Don't have a roof or rear rack, and no receiver.

FYI, those things can be purchased on the open market.


Sure.

Receiver assy ... $200 (and only for the clone version)
Cable kit ... $ 50
Light bar ... $ 50
Bike rack ... $150


Oh for Pete's sake, you're quoting the most expensive possibility.



For my SUV those are EBay prices. Name-brand you could probably multiply
everything by three.


... If
you can't afford that your business must not be as successful as you
pretend.


I am winding it down, on purpose, because I'd like to retire early.
Also, a good businessman calculates everything and when another solution
(pickup truck) is less expensive overall then that is the preferable
solution.


So go to a garage sale and get a simple bike rack that straps on the
rear tailgate. I have two I acquired that way, and I rarely go near a
garage sale. Alternately you could buy a roof rack. I have two
inexpensive ones that have worked fine.


I do not trust trunk mount racks with heavy bikes on there.


I can install that myself to save another $200 or so for a shop but a
pickup truck is way more practical.


I've installed four hitches on our various cars over the years,
completely fabricating the first. Even you should not have to pay for
installation.


That's why it isn't listed in my cost tally.


But "A pickup truck is way more practical" is the typical American
solution to everything. "Gosh, what if I have to haul two tons of rocks?
That might happen some time in the next ten years, so I'd better buy a
vehicle that gets 15 miles per gallon when I get my groceries. Or hey, a
diesel! I can roll coal!"


Easy to say for an urban dweller. I am using my SUV like a pickup truck
a lot. Loads of firewood across rutted roads, half a ton of fuel pellets
at a time, schlepping gear to a client, and so on.


You are an urban dweller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv9_39dTggU

I bet I haul more stuff out of my yard on a more regular basis than you haul wood pellets and fire wood. I hauled off an entire 40' blue spruce and an equally tall fir, both of which I cut with a chainsaw here in suburbia. I hauled that off with a Subaru wagon and a utility trailer. Another good part about having a utility trailer is that you can fill it up and leave it, unlike a pick-up. I filled mine up again this weekend.



[Jay Beattie wrote:] I put two
bikes and a rack in the back of a VW bug.


Of course I have done stuff like that before. The results were often
unpleasant, such as bent derailer hangers and out of shape brake rotors.


It's all about competence.


Nope, it happens.


The most that has happened to me is that I got grease on the back of the seats. I've been stuffing bikes in cars for decades.


The main issue though is a lower back problem because a lot of lifting
while bent is required, something that can really ruin my day.


You have to pick up a bike to put it in a pick-up truck, unless you have a ramp, and then you have to pick up the ramp.

And how is it that you're hauling loads of fire wood with a bad back? Are you bringing it in one stick at a time? One pellet at a time? If you need a big bad pick-up truck for all the gnarly stuff you do in Cameron Park (way out in the country, five minutes from the nearest SuperCuts), you must be awesome rugged, a big strong bear of a man -- certainly manly enough to pick up a bike. How do you put your bike on the inadequate municipal bus racks?

Cars are far superior to pick-ups unless you use your pick-up to pick-up things every day. As actually used, pick-ups are just passenger cars with ****ty interior storage capacity and bad gas mileage. I see the suburban cowboys out in Clackamas County with the spotless, giant, chrome festooned F-five-zillion trucks with duals and naked lady mud flaps -- driving around and puking diesel smoke for nothing but show. They're driving to the local supermarket. And with mini trucks, you don't have any interior room for anything. The cargo goes into the bed to get blown around, rained on, bounced around, etc. And when it snows, you end up hauling snow.

-- Jay Beattie.
  #184  
Old September 10th 18, 09:43 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Joerg[_2_]
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On 2018-09-10 13:26, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:49:20 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-09 08:33, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/9/2018 10:44 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-08 17:27, jbeattie wrote:



[...]

I bet I haul more stuff out of my yard on a more regular basis than
you haul wood pellets and fire wood. I hauled off an entire 40' blue
spruce and an equally tall fir, both of which I cut with a chainsaw
here in suburbia. I hauled that off with a Subaru wagon and a utility
trailer. Another good part about having a utility trailer is that you
can fill it up and leave it, unlike a pick-up. I filled mine up again
this weekend.


No space for a utility trailer. Sez SWMBO :-)


[Jay Beattie wrote:] I put two bikes and a rack in the back
of a VW bug.


Of course I have done stuff like that before. The results were
often unpleasant, such as bent derailer hangers and out of
shape brake rotors.

It's all about competence.


Nope, it happens.


The most that has happened to me is that I got grease on the back of
the seats. I've been stuffing bikes in cars for decades.


The main issue though is a lower back problem because a lot of
lifting while bent is required, something that can really ruin
my day.


You have to pick up a bike to put it in a pick-up truck, unless you
have a ramp, and then you have to pick up the ramp.


Ramps are easy. That is exactly one of the tools one uses when there are
lower back issues.


And how is it that you're hauling loads of fire wood with a bad back?
Are you bringing it in one stick at a time? One pellet at a time?
If you need a big bad pick-up truck for all the gnarly stuff you do
in Cameron Park (way out in the country, five minutes from the
nearest SuperCuts), you must be awesome rugged, a big strong bear of
a man -- certainly manly enough to pick up a bike. How do you put
your bike on the inadequate municipal bus racks?


Anyone with lower back issues who wants to stay active develops the
requisite tricks how to lift. Never ever bent over, like you have to do
when stacking bikes inside a station wagon or SUV.

Assume a vertical and fairly rigid stance, bend down into the knees,
grab whatever needs to be lifted, straighten knees, walk it to where it
needs to go, lower the load.

For heavy stuff such as large oak or pine rounds I carry a board upon
which I roll them up into the SUV.

Inrerestingly, my back spasm bouts or pain where I couldn't even get up
from bed have dropped to almost zero since I started mountain biking a
few years ago. I guess that is because more core muscle develops.


Cars are far superior to pick-ups unless you use your pick-up to
pick-up things every day. As actually used, pick-ups are just
passenger cars with ****ty interior storage capacity and bad gas
mileage. I see the suburban cowboys out in Clackamas County with the
spotless, giant, chrome festooned F-five-zillion trucks with duals
and naked lady mud flaps -- driving around and puking diesel smoke
for nothing but show. They're driving to the local supermarket. And
with mini trucks, you don't have any interior room for anything. The
cargo goes into the bed to get blown around, rained on, bounced
around, etc. And when it snows, you end up hauling snow.


We think differently about pickup trucks here.

Frank: My SUV gets 25mpg with California gas, 28mpg with gas from Nevada
or Oregon.

--
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
  #185  
Old September 11th 18, 03:37 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 9/10/2018 4:43 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-10 13:26, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:49:20 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-09 08:33, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/9/2018 10:44 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-08 17:27, jbeattie wrote:



[...]

I bet I haul more stuff out of my yard on a more regular basis than
you haul wood pellets and fire wood. I hauled off an entire 40' blue
spruce and an equally tall fir, both of which I cut with a chainsaw
here in suburbia. I hauled that off with a Subaru wagon and a utility
trailer. Another good part about having a utility trailer is that you
can fill it up and leave it, unlike a pick-up. I filled mine up again
this weekend.


No space for a utility trailer. Sez SWMBO :-)


Your wife married a wimp. And/or someone who is insufficiently ingenious.

My utility trailer takes up about four square feet of floor space.
That's because it's stored on its tail in a far corner of the garage. My
wife likes that, and thinks its clever. However, she never complained
when it was stored conventionally parked in front of a car.

We both know who wears the pants in this family.


The main issue though is a lower back problem because a lot of
lifting while bent is required, something that can really ruin
my day.


You have to pick up a bike to put it in a pick-up truck, unless you
have a ramp, and then you have to pick up the ramp.


Ramps are easy. That is exactly one of the tools one uses when there are
lower back issues.


OK, show us, please. One of my very good friends is a lady even more
elderly than I am. She's an avid cyclist despite significant health
issues. She's thought hard about getting an ebike, but says its weight
would make it impractical for her to get it into the bed of her pickup.
Her tailgate is something like three feet above the ground. How should
she push a heavy bike up a ramp and into the bed? Where would she stand
to do this? How would she keep the bike balanced on the ramp - and would
she be able to do that as she climbed up into the bed to roll the bike
all the way into the bed?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems tricky at best. Got a video
or photos of how you do it?


And how is it that you're hauling loads of fire wood with a bad back?
Are you bringing it in one stick at a time?Â* One pellet at a time?
If you need a big bad pick-up truck for all the gnarly stuff you do
in Cameron Park (way out in the country, five minutes from the
nearest SuperCuts), you must be awesome rugged, a big strong bear of
a man -- certainly manly enough to pick up a bike. How do you put
your bike on the inadequate municipal bus racks?


Anyone with lower back issues who wants to stay active develops the
requisite tricks how to lift. Never ever bent over, like you have to do
when stacking bikes inside a station wagon or SUV.


I don't believe lifting a bike two feet to hang it on a car's rear rack
is any different than lifting a bike two feet to place it in a bus front
rack.

For heavy stuff such as large oak or pine rounds I carry a board upon
which I roll them up into the SUV.


OK...and you roll it up the ramp while never bending over?

Inrerestingly, my back spasm bouts or pain where I couldn't even get up
from bed have dropped to almost zero since I started mountain biking a
few years ago. I guess that is because more core muscle develops.


Cars are far superior to pick-ups unless you use your pick-up to
pick-up things every day.Â* As actually used, pick-ups are just
passenger cars with ****ty interior storage capacity and bad gas
mileage. I see the suburban cowboys out in Clackamas County with the
spotless, giant, chrome festooned F-five-zillion trucks with duals
and naked lady mud flaps -- driving around and puking diesel smoke
for nothing but show.Â* They're driving to the local supermarket.Â* And
with mini trucks, you don't have any interior room for anything.Â* The
cargo goes into the bed to get blown around, rained on, bounced
around, etc.Â* And when it snows, you end up hauling snow.


We think differently about pickup trucks here.


You probably use more chrome plating. When cruising the Cameron Park
shopping plaza, you want lots of shine! ;-)

Frank: My SUV gets 25mpg with California gas, 28mpg with gas from Nevada
or Oregon.


So I beat you by over 40%. Brag on, Joerg.

--
- Frank Krygowski
  #186  
Old September 11th 18, 05:25 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
John B. Slocomb
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On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:37:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/10/2018 4:43 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-10 13:26, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:49:20 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-09 08:33, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/9/2018 10:44 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-08 17:27, jbeattie wrote:



[...]

I bet I haul more stuff out of my yard on a more regular basis than
you haul wood pellets and fire wood. I hauled off an entire 40' blue
spruce and an equally tall fir, both of which I cut with a chainsaw
here in suburbia. I hauled that off with a Subaru wagon and a utility
trailer. Another good part about having a utility trailer is that you
can fill it up and leave it, unlike a pick-up. I filled mine up again
this weekend.


No space for a utility trailer. Sez SWMBO :-)


Your wife married a wimp. And/or someone who is insufficiently ingenious.

My utility trailer takes up about four square feet of floor space.
That's because it's stored on its tail in a far corner of the garage. My
wife likes that, and thinks its clever. However, she never complained
when it was stored conventionally parked in front of a car.

We both know who wears the pants in this family.


The main issue though is a lower back problem because a lot of
lifting while bent is required, something that can really ruin
my day.

You have to pick up a bike to put it in a pick-up truck, unless you
have a ramp, and then you have to pick up the ramp.


Ramps are easy. That is exactly one of the tools one uses when there are
lower back issues.


OK, show us, please. One of my very good friends is a lady even more
elderly than I am. She's an avid cyclist despite significant health
issues. She's thought hard about getting an ebike, but says its weight
would make it impractical for her to get it into the bed of her pickup.
Her tailgate is something like three feet above the ground. How should
she push a heavy bike up a ramp and into the bed? Where would she stand
to do this? How would she keep the bike balanced on the ramp - and would
she be able to do that as she climbed up into the bed to roll the bike
all the way into the bed?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems tricky at best. Got a video
or photos of how you do it?


What you do is lean a plank on the pickup bed and ride up. And of
course back down when you get where you are going :-)

And before anyone says it is impossible I have done it (once). I rode
a 74 cu.in. Harley up a 12 inch plank to load it into a furniture van
to haul it, and me, from Valdosta, Georgia to Hendersonville N.
Carolina and when we got there I rode it back down.

My only excuse is that I was young and foolish and it was terrible
cold to a bloke from south Florida, in a pair of levis and a flannel
shirt.





And how is it that you're hauling loads of fire wood with a bad back?
Are you bringing it in one stick at a time?* One pellet at a time?
If you need a big bad pick-up truck for all the gnarly stuff you do
in Cameron Park (way out in the country, five minutes from the
nearest SuperCuts), you must be awesome rugged, a big strong bear of
a man -- certainly manly enough to pick up a bike. How do you put
your bike on the inadequate municipal bus racks?


Anyone with lower back issues who wants to stay active develops the
requisite tricks how to lift. Never ever bent over, like you have to do
when stacking bikes inside a station wagon or SUV.


I don't believe lifting a bike two feet to hang it on a car's rear rack
is any different than lifting a bike two feet to place it in a bus front
rack.

For heavy stuff such as large oak or pine rounds I carry a board upon
which I roll them up into the SUV.


OK...and you roll it up the ramp while never bending over?

Inrerestingly, my back spasm bouts or pain where I couldn't even get up
from bed have dropped to almost zero since I started mountain biking a
few years ago. I guess that is because more core muscle develops.


Cars are far superior to pick-ups unless you use your pick-up to
pick-up things every day.* As actually used, pick-ups are just
passenger cars with ****ty interior storage capacity and bad gas
mileage. I see the suburban cowboys out in Clackamas County with the
spotless, giant, chrome festooned F-five-zillion trucks with duals
and naked lady mud flaps -- driving around and puking diesel smoke
for nothing but show.* They're driving to the local supermarket.* And
with mini trucks, you don't have any interior room for anything.* The
cargo goes into the bed to get blown around, rained on, bounced
around, etc.* And when it snows, you end up hauling snow.


We think differently about pickup trucks here.


You probably use more chrome plating. When cruising the Cameron Park
shopping plaza, you want lots of shine! ;-)

Frank: My SUV gets 25mpg with California gas, 28mpg with gas from Nevada
or Oregon.


So I beat you by over 40%. Brag on, Joerg.

  #187  
Old September 11th 18, 02:40 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
AMuzi
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On 9/10/2018 11:25 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:37:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/10/2018 4:43 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-10 13:26, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:49:20 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-09 08:33, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/9/2018 10:44 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-08 17:27, jbeattie wrote:


[...]

I bet I haul more stuff out of my yard on a more regular basis than
you haul wood pellets and fire wood. I hauled off an entire 40' blue
spruce and an equally tall fir, both of which I cut with a chainsaw
here in suburbia. I hauled that off with a Subaru wagon and a utility
trailer. Another good part about having a utility trailer is that you
can fill it up and leave it, unlike a pick-up. I filled mine up again
this weekend.


No space for a utility trailer. Sez SWMBO :-)


Your wife married a wimp. And/or someone who is insufficiently ingenious.

My utility trailer takes up about four square feet of floor space.
That's because it's stored on its tail in a far corner of the garage. My
wife likes that, and thinks its clever. However, she never complained
when it was stored conventionally parked in front of a car.

We both know who wears the pants in this family.


The main issue though is a lower back problem because a lot of
lifting while bent is required, something that can really ruin
my day.

You have to pick up a bike to put it in a pick-up truck, unless you
have a ramp, and then you have to pick up the ramp.


Ramps are easy. That is exactly one of the tools one uses when there are
lower back issues.


OK, show us, please. One of my very good friends is a lady even more
elderly than I am. She's an avid cyclist despite significant health
issues. She's thought hard about getting an ebike, but says its weight
would make it impractical for her to get it into the bed of her pickup.
Her tailgate is something like three feet above the ground. How should
she push a heavy bike up a ramp and into the bed? Where would she stand
to do this? How would she keep the bike balanced on the ramp - and would
she be able to do that as she climbed up into the bed to roll the bike
all the way into the bed?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems tricky at best. Got a video
or photos of how you do it?


What you do is lean a plank on the pickup bed and ride up. And of
course back down when you get where you are going :-)

And before anyone says it is impossible I have done it (once). I rode
a 74 cu.in. Harley up a 12 inch plank to load it into a furniture van
to haul it, and me, from Valdosta, Georgia to Hendersonville N.
Carolina and when we got there I rode it back down.

My only excuse is that I was young and foolish and it was terrible
cold to a bloke from south Florida, in a pair of levis and a flannel
shirt.





And how is it that you're hauling loads of fire wood with a bad back?
Are you bringing it in one stick at a time? One pellet at a time?
If you need a big bad pick-up truck for all the gnarly stuff you do
in Cameron Park (way out in the country, five minutes from the
nearest SuperCuts), you must be awesome rugged, a big strong bear of
a man -- certainly manly enough to pick up a bike. How do you put
your bike on the inadequate municipal bus racks?


Anyone with lower back issues who wants to stay active develops the
requisite tricks how to lift. Never ever bent over, like you have to do
when stacking bikes inside a station wagon or SUV.


I don't believe lifting a bike two feet to hang it on a car's rear rack
is any different than lifting a bike two feet to place it in a bus front
rack.

For heavy stuff such as large oak or pine rounds I carry a board upon
which I roll them up into the SUV.


OK...and you roll it up the ramp while never bending over?

Inrerestingly, my back spasm bouts or pain where I couldn't even get up
from bed have dropped to almost zero since I started mountain biking a
few years ago. I guess that is because more core muscle develops.


Cars are far superior to pick-ups unless you use your pick-up to
pick-up things every day. As actually used, pick-ups are just
passenger cars with ****ty interior storage capacity and bad gas
mileage. I see the suburban cowboys out in Clackamas County with the
spotless, giant, chrome festooned F-five-zillion trucks with duals
and naked lady mud flaps -- driving around and puking diesel smoke
for nothing but show. They're driving to the local supermarket. And
with mini trucks, you don't have any interior room for anything. The
cargo goes into the bed to get blown around, rained on, bounced
around, etc. And when it snows, you end up hauling snow.

We think differently about pickup trucks here.


You probably use more chrome plating. When cruising the Cameron Park
shopping plaza, you want lots of shine! ;-)

Frank: My SUV gets 25mpg with California gas, 28mpg with gas from Nevada
or Oregon.


So I beat you by over 40%. Brag on, Joerg.


My hat's off to you. Being young once myself, I reasoned
that since riding a 4" highway stripe is no big deal, a 6"
steel beam should be much the same. I have a stainless elbow
as a reminder of that adventure.

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  #188  
Old September 11th 18, 02:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 6:40:17 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
On 9/10/2018 11:25 PM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:37:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/10/2018 4:43 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-10 13:26, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, September 10, 2018 at 11:49:20 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-09 08:33, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 9/9/2018 10:44 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-08 17:27, jbeattie wrote:


[...]

I bet I haul more stuff out of my yard on a more regular basis than
you haul wood pellets and fire wood. I hauled off an entire 40' blue
spruce and an equally tall fir, both of which I cut with a chainsaw
here in suburbia. I hauled that off with a Subaru wagon and a utility
trailer. Another good part about having a utility trailer is that you
can fill it up and leave it, unlike a pick-up. I filled mine up again
this weekend.


No space for a utility trailer. Sez SWMBO :-)

Your wife married a wimp. And/or someone who is insufficiently ingenious.

My utility trailer takes up about four square feet of floor space.
That's because it's stored on its tail in a far corner of the garage. My
wife likes that, and thinks its clever. However, she never complained
when it was stored conventionally parked in front of a car.

We both know who wears the pants in this family.


The main issue though is a lower back problem because a lot of
lifting while bent is required, something that can really ruin
my day.

You have to pick up a bike to put it in a pick-up truck, unless you
have a ramp, and then you have to pick up the ramp.


Ramps are easy. That is exactly one of the tools one uses when there are
lower back issues.

OK, show us, please. One of my very good friends is a lady even more
elderly than I am. She's an avid cyclist despite significant health
issues. She's thought hard about getting an ebike, but says its weight
would make it impractical for her to get it into the bed of her pickup.
Her tailgate is something like three feet above the ground. How should
she push a heavy bike up a ramp and into the bed? Where would she stand
to do this? How would she keep the bike balanced on the ramp - and would
she be able to do that as she climbed up into the bed to roll the bike
all the way into the bed?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems tricky at best. Got a video
or photos of how you do it?


What you do is lean a plank on the pickup bed and ride up. And of
course back down when you get where you are going :-)

And before anyone says it is impossible I have done it (once). I rode
a 74 cu.in. Harley up a 12 inch plank to load it into a furniture van
to haul it, and me, from Valdosta, Georgia to Hendersonville N.
Carolina and when we got there I rode it back down.

My only excuse is that I was young and foolish and it was terrible
cold to a bloke from south Florida, in a pair of levis and a flannel
shirt.





And how is it that you're hauling loads of fire wood with a bad back?
Are you bringing it in one stick at a time? One pellet at a time?
If you need a big bad pick-up truck for all the gnarly stuff you do
in Cameron Park (way out in the country, five minutes from the
nearest SuperCuts), you must be awesome rugged, a big strong bear of
a man -- certainly manly enough to pick up a bike. How do you put
your bike on the inadequate municipal bus racks?


Anyone with lower back issues who wants to stay active develops the
requisite tricks how to lift. Never ever bent over, like you have to do
when stacking bikes inside a station wagon or SUV.

I don't believe lifting a bike two feet to hang it on a car's rear rack
is any different than lifting a bike two feet to place it in a bus front
rack.

For heavy stuff such as large oak or pine rounds I carry a board upon
which I roll them up into the SUV.

OK...and you roll it up the ramp while never bending over?

Inrerestingly, my back spasm bouts or pain where I couldn't even get up
from bed have dropped to almost zero since I started mountain biking a
few years ago. I guess that is because more core muscle develops.


Cars are far superior to pick-ups unless you use your pick-up to
pick-up things every day. As actually used, pick-ups are just
passenger cars with ****ty interior storage capacity and bad gas
mileage. I see the suburban cowboys out in Clackamas County with the
spotless, giant, chrome festooned F-five-zillion trucks with duals
and naked lady mud flaps -- driving around and puking diesel smoke
for nothing but show. They're driving to the local supermarket. And
with mini trucks, you don't have any interior room for anything. The
cargo goes into the bed to get blown around, rained on, bounced
around, etc. And when it snows, you end up hauling snow.

We think differently about pickup trucks here.

You probably use more chrome plating. When cruising the Cameron Park
shopping plaza, you want lots of shine! ;-)

Frank: My SUV gets 25mpg with California gas, 28mpg with gas from Nevada
or Oregon.

So I beat you by over 40%. Brag on, Joerg.


My hat's off to you. Being young once myself, I reasoned
that since riding a 4" highway stripe is no big deal, a 6"
steel beam should be much the same. I have a stainless elbow
as a reminder of that adventure.


It's much easier on a bicycle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3DJ2MJ5CzY Joerg doesn't need a ramp for his new pick-up. Bunny hop up, and ride right out.

-- Jay Beattie.


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Old September 11th 18, 04:32 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 9/11/2018 12:25 AM, John B. Slocomb wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:37:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
wrote:

On 9/10/2018 4:43 PM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-09-10 13:26, jbeattie wrote:

You have to pick up a bike to put it in a pick-up truck, unless you
have a ramp, and then you have to pick up the ramp.


Ramps are easy. That is exactly one of the tools one uses when there are
lower back issues.


OK, show us, please. One of my very good friends is a lady even more
elderly than I am. She's an avid cyclist despite significant health
issues. She's thought hard about getting an ebike, but says its weight
would make it impractical for her to get it into the bed of her pickup.
Her tailgate is something like three feet above the ground. How should
she push a heavy bike up a ramp and into the bed? Where would she stand
to do this? How would she keep the bike balanced on the ramp - and would
she be able to do that as she climbed up into the bed to roll the bike
all the way into the bed?

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems tricky at best. Got a video
or photos of how you do it?


What you do is lean a plank on the pickup bed and ride up. And of
course back down when you get where you are going :-)

And before anyone says it is impossible I have done it (once). I rode
a 74 cu.in. Harley up a 12 inch plank to load it into a furniture van
to haul it, and me, from Valdosta, Georgia to Hendersonville N.
Carolina and when we got there I rode it back down.


I'm sure it's possible. But there certainly have been failures:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRvuuCzckJU

But I'm sure my friend won't try it with a 60 pound ebike. I imagine it
wouldn't have the torque to do a 40% incline slowly, and a fast running
start would be very scary for her. Even walking alongside the bike on a
wide ramp would be difficult. The best I can imagine now would be a wide
ramp that's smooth where the bike rolls up, but with steps where the
owner does the pushing.

I am curious how Joerg does it in real life. (If Joerg has a real life!)

--
- Frank Krygowski
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Old September 11th 18, 04:45 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
Frank Krygowski[_4_]
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On 9/11/2018 9:40 AM, AMuzi wrote:

My hat's off to you. Being young once myself, I reasoned that since
riding a 4" highway stripe is no big deal, a 6" steel beam should be
much the same. I have a stainless elbow as a reminder of that adventure.


There have been a couple times I've shouldered my bike and walked across
beams where a bridge was out. But those were either very low, or had
hand rails or other structure to use for handholds.

When I was about 20 a high narrow bridge near me was reduced to its
steel beam structure in preparation for rebuilding. I parked my bike
and, just as a personal challenge, walked across a beam where the
sidewalk would have been. I kept my hand a few inches above the handrail
that was still in place. Despite the 50 foot drop below me, it was easy.

So I decided to walk back across the center longitudinal beam with no
handrail. I got halfway across to where diagonal beams intersected in
the center, then I stopped and froze. It required all my will to walk on
instead of sitting and scooting.

Similarly, we once visited the CN Tower in Toronto. The super-high
observation deck has sections of glass floor.
https://www.cntower.ca/en-ca/plan-yo...ass-floor.html

Oddly enough, when we stood in the center of a glass panel, we felt no
nervousness at all. But when we pretended to balance while walking
across one of the beams, both my wife and I got the willies!


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