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EXTRA TERRESTRIALS LAND AT KENNEDY SPACE CENTER
My newsreader's column breaks turned the subject line into "EXTRA
TERRESTRIALS LAND AT KENNEDY SPA", which was ever so much more amusing than the full one. -- My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail. Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
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EXTRA TERRESTRIALS LAND AT KENNEDY SPACE CENTER
On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 22:00:18 -0500, Tom Sherman
may have said: datakoll aka gene daniels wrote: ET's say they gotta settle with Brandt ET phone Brandt. Isn't he in Alaska at the Iditarod finish? -- My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail. Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. |
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EXTRA TERRESTRIALS LAND AT KENNEDY SPACE CENTER
* * Chas wrote:
"datakoll" wrote in message ... "as far as fatigue goes, composites in general are typically superior [to?] metals" Composites aren't metals as such. There are many forms of metal matrix composites but they are metals with non metallic inclusions such as silicon carbide or aluminum oxide particles added to them or composites that include metal. Carbon fiber reinforced composites are most often made of epoxy resin that encapsulates the carbon fibers much like the processes used to make fiberglass. My Kingdom for a "to"? -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful |
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EXTRA TERRESTRIALS LAND AT KENNEDY SPACE CENTER
"datakoll" wrote in message ... "as far as fatigue goes, composites in general are typically superior metals" Composites aren't metals as such. There are many forms of metal matrix composites but they are metals with non metallic inclusions such as silicon carbide or aluminum oxide particles added to them or composites that include metal. Carbon fiber reinforced composites are most often made of epoxy resin that encapsulates the carbon fibers much like the processes used to make fiberglass. Chas. |
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EXTRA TERRESTRIALS LAND AT KENNEDY SPACE CENTER
On Apr 2, 1:26*am, Werehatrack wrote:
My newsreader's column breaks turned the subject line into "EXTRA TERRESTRIALS LAND AT KENNEDY SPA", which was ever so much more amusing than the full one. -- My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail. Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature. Words processed in a facility that contains nuts. God lives here |
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EXTRA TERRESTRIALS LAND AT KENNEDY SPACE CENTER
On 2008-04-02, * * Chas wrote:
"datakoll" wrote in message ... "as far as fatigue goes, composites in general are typically superior metals" Composites aren't metals as such. I think it was just a typo for "superior to metals". |
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Carbon Nanotube Bike Frame
On 2008-04-01, Frank W. Marrs III wrote:
i'm a soon-to-be Ga. Tech graduate with some experience with aerospace grade composites, which some bikes (like the BMCs) are certainly comparable to, while others are not. also, i'd like to note that Easton and BMC have been pushing this technology for at least three years. carbon nanotubes are exciting because lab-grade materials have produced unprecedented yield strengths. however, actual production of the material for manufacturing purposes has proven difficult (anyone remember the space elevator?). thus, carbon fibers are still utilized as load-carrying members in the composite. my understanding of the easton material is that the nanotubes disrupt crack propagation in the matrix, improving the material's toughness. since none of the nanotubes are aligned in one particular direction and all are significantly shorter than the reinforcing fibers, it is unlikely that they improve the strength of the material significantly. also, it is typical (in almost all materials) that improved toughness means lower strength and stiffness values. so, it is possible that the easton material is the same strength or even weaker than other carbon fiber composites. the BMC frames *are* a little heavier than some other high-end full carbon frames... as far as fatigue goes, composites in general are typically superior metals. fatigue of the carbon material is not an issue; it is one of its strengths. however, many carbon frames have joints and other bonds (e.g. bottom bracket shells). these are the areas of concern for fatigue. however, the bonds at these key locations are a function of the manufacturing process. in other words, fatigue of carbon bicycles is a result of how they're put together, not the material itself. the material concerns with carbon fiber (esp. as compared to metals) are impact strength -- since the tubes are weak through the thickness -- and other failure modes, like delamination, absorption of moisture, UV degredation, etc. i don't know how companies address these issues, but the carbon bikes seem to have become much more reliable in these respects. BMC appears to have addressed the crash-worthiness of their bikes in improving toughness of the composite used, although i doubt most buyers are going to see it this way. i think it's mostly a marketing ploy to get people to buy their high-end carbon bike over another company's. frank [...] Interesting information, thanks. |
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NANO FLOP
On Apr 1, 7:15 am, Ozark Bicycle
wrote: On Apr 1, 1:22 am, datakoll wrote: I've shoveld a lotta **** in my time but this here BS takes the cake Just wait 'til a bike company with a highly paid Professional Bull**** Team, such as Trek, gets a chance with this stuff. If Trek can make so much hay out of a cost-cutting BB shell design (the "new" Madone), just think of what they can do with Nanotubes! I don't know. They weren't able to sell too many people on the magic of Boron. |
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NANO FLOP
On Apr 2, 5:06 am, wrote:
On Apr 1, 7:15 am, Ozark Bicycle wrote: On Apr 1, 1:22 am, datakoll wrote: I've shoveld a lotta **** in my time but this here BS takes the cake Just wait 'til a bike company with a highly paid Professional Bull**** Team, such as Trek, gets a chance with this stuff. If Trek can make so much hay out of a cost-cutting BB shell design (the "new" Madone), just think of what they can do with Nanotubes! I don't know. They weren't able to sell too many people on the magic of Boron. I don't know about boron, but my bike is powered by moron. |
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Carbon tube Bike Frame with nano added
"Until recently, CNT use has been limited due to the complex, dangerous, and expensive methods for their production. Benavides's technology represents a simpler, safer, and much less expensive manufacturing method." http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/88894.php http://www.physorg.com/news123782520.html imagine, a frame one atom thick. Imagine fusion. Imagine a gravity-Doppler cluster theory of reality ? Imagine extraterrestrials In the early 1950's, water could be walked on here there were so many fish. Today, a blink later looking across water holding noooooo fish nada and thinking about global warming is, well, revelatory. Deus ex with your poi ? |
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