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skate4flip wrote: *Sort of a threadjack: I was riding my 20" unicycle and i put a speedometer/odometer on it and i tried to see how fast i could ride. I reached 14.2 mph for about a second or so. Does this seem accurate or is my speedometer wrong? I rode the 20" on a 3 mile loop when my dad clocked it in the car (i wasnt with him so i dont know it was exactly 3 but that is what he said), and it said i went 3.75 miles. Is it because my wheel swirves back in forth sometimes or is it just wrong? * I'm going to go with, the speedometer was wrong. Some things that could have happened: The measurement (wheel size) was not accurate. You idled the magnet back and forth. I think my max on a 24" was something like 12mph - completely unsustainable, but with careful attention to not make the 2 errors above. It's just extremely tough to get speed out of a 20" Somebody mention how the uphill, downhill, and cross-country muni races were won on a 20" . . . -- ChangingLINKS.com - member Wishing you Happiness, Joy and Laughter, Drew Brown 'Changing LINKS' (http://www.ChangingLINKS.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ChangingLINKS.com's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/5468 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41941 |
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Ya it probably is wrong but when i entered it in it said the number for my 20-1.75 tire was 152 cm. so i put in 152. The first time i rode with it, my max speed was 9.8 mph, and it seemed like i was riding really fast. But since the second time and onward it seems like a can reach 11 mph no problem. It seems like i was pedaling the same speed when i first maxxed out at 9.8 and when i maxed at 14.2mph. -- skate4flip - Between Level 4 and 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ skate4flip's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/10198 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41941 |
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I've been riding a 700 x 35 for over 6 months now and I'm anxious to step-up to a 36" wheel. Until about 6 weeks ago I was riding at least 10 miles every other day. On several occasions I raced against the clock to see how much I could increase my average speed. With 6 1/2" crank arms my best average was 8.6 mph with a momentary top speed of approximately 12+ mph. With a 5 1/2" crank my best average increased to 9.7 mph with a momentary top speed of approximately 14 mph. My longest ride on the 700 x 35 with the 5 1/2" cranks was 37.6 miles. I completed the first 18+ miles in 2hrs 05 minutes and the second 18+ in 2hrs 15 minutes. For a while I was riding a 700 x 28 100 psi tire which I don't think benefited me much. The decrease in rolling resistance was cancelled out by the decrease in tire diameter. A 700 x 45 tire had close to a 29" diameter where the 700 x 28 tire had only a 26" diameter. I gave up the 700 x 28 when a blowout taco'd my rim. Not a fun experience while riding on a busy road. I've reached a point where I feel I can't go much farther on the 700c because my knees are starting to feel "all spun out". I would like the larger wheel for the increase in travel per pedal revolution to enable me to increase my riding distances and average speed. -- unipsychler - Ride The Unicycle ~ A Crash Course! Interested in learning to ride the unicycle QUICKLY AND SAFELY? Or how about getting one of the coolest uni t-shirts around? Check out my website at www.ridetheunicycle.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ unipsychler's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/9338 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41941 |
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On Mon, 18 Jul 2005 14:01:04 -0500, "ChangingLINKS.com" wrote:
It sounds like (with my obsessive mindset) I could get to 12mph (using 65mm cranks and 700c wheel). Beware, 65 mm makes for ultrashort cranks! They make the uni difficult to ride. And in a sense you don't need them, as 12 mph is doable on longer cranks. With 125's on my 29'er I've hit brief bouts of 22 km/h, and cruising at about 17 km/h. (1 mile = 1.609 km). So indeed, for me, 125's wouldn't quite cut it for cruising at 12 mph, but I say try an intermediate length, such as 102 mm. Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict -- I ride like a princess. - john_childs |
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Sorry I didnt' pick up on this earlier as I didn't realise you were referring to me in this thread BTW, I don't train, I just ride lot's. It's more fun that way. Although before UNICON I did a fair bit of 'riding lot's'. Ok, to clear things up, from memory the UNICON 10km went like this: Yuta Ando 28" with 65mm cranks Roger Davies 36" with 110mm cranks Daiki Izumeda 28", crank length unknown- but they looked stubby Ken Looi 36", 102mm cranks There was a Japanese girl on a Coker as well- I think she slotted in somewhere in that list. The 10km didnt' go too well on me. I ate a Japanese noodle-sandwich a day or two before- ended up running to the toilet all night with bad stomach cramps and diarrhoea. It was really hot and humid as well which didn't help, I was pretty dehydrated. Anyway, I was in the lead for maybe 1-2km before going backwards relative to the other guys. I think Yuta crashed on one of the turns and Roger passed him, and then they tussled to the end until Roger missed a turn and Yuta came through to win. I was lying about third until I missed the final turn and Daiki passed me. Whether Yuta could have won on a Coker- who knows. I'm sure he'd be just as competitive. I did have a go on his Uni- it's certainly an interesting thing to ride. It looks like you're making the faintest of ankle movements, except you're speeding along at 25km/hr. It feels so light...like there's nothing there. Takes getting used to, and I found it tricky to turn and climb. But then I only rode it for a few hundred meters. Yuta had a go on my Coker and didn't like it at all- said it was too heavy and slow! I think if you have a 28" or 29" it's definitely worth trying it out to see if it suits your style of riding. After all, a pair of 65mm cranks will set you back less than $50. A Coker sets you back over $1K Ken -- GizmoDuck - NZUNI o-kO 'www.adventureunicyclist.com' (http://www.adventureunicyclist.com/) - check out my spanky new and improved website 'Laos Unicycle Tour' (http://www.laosunitour.org) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GizmoDuck's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/794 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41941 |
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My thoughts. Sure, you could keep up, but you wouldn't be having as much fun. Your coker friends will cruise casually and mindlessly, while you're spinning like mad. You'd probably pass them up hills though (not with 65's) since a 29er is much lighter. I'd also think twice about getting cranks shorter than 125mm and especially shorter than 102's. If I remember correctly, you have only a KH24 with 170's. It seem that people that use very short cranks (esp shorter than 125's) slowly work their way down. I think a 29er with 110's would bit of a rude awakening for you (never mind 65's). Also, it would be good to have a 29er in your arsenal. With it, you could do MUni rides that were less technical with more flow (For me, a 24" MUni is really only fun with somewhat technical riding), and road rides wouldn't seem agonizingly slow. -- mscalisi - Not such a newbie anymore ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mscalisi's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/4961 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41941 |
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Thanks for the additional posts. "I got all that." NOW, I think is a bigger issue here than the 29". The bigger issue is that THIS is the same race that the 24" were *competitive* with the 36" and Foss' 29". Aside from the fact that there was no drug testing, what alien gifts did the 24" riders have to hold a 36"? My ultimate goal is to be able to keep up with a 36". One reason I want to run a smaller wheel Attitude: I don't have to be "having fun." One thing that drew me to unicycling was the challenge. Once I got to the level I was happy with, I stopped riding. Fortunately, two days ago, onefiftyfour and I found a new trail next to his house that makes the other trails we ride seem like paved road. As I write this, I am having difficulty walking. There was so much climbing, that I "destroyed" my thighs. Sometimes, it appears as though I am slipping (and going to fall backwards) as I quickly take weight off of the strained quad. The cool part is that I didn't know how much pain I would be in later during the ride. I was "hurting" from the 90+ degree heat, and muscles were tired, but it was my entire body (rather than just my quads). I'm going to get back on that trail again as soon as I heal. It made a beginner out of me. Onefiftyfour was able to do the climbing and the heat about like he does Emma Long in 75 degrees. I just don't understand where that climbing strength he has comes from - or why he doesn't overheat like I do. He is "ready." By the way, for those that know, he also rode up Jester Hill non-stop AFTERWARDS. I was very strong about halfway and then went into deep exhaustion. So, the struggling, frustrating, fearful, exhausting and painful but overall safe ride is what I'm looking for. Makes the 24" a good match for me. /One reason I want to run a smaller wheel I know this thread was originally about 700cm wheels, however, since it was the same race, I would like those that were there to decribe what they thought about the 24" riders and their equipment. (Right now, I am thinking about a 26" rim with a racing tire and 102" cranks to slap into my current setup - which by weld has a low seat height) -- ChangingLINKS.com - member Wishing you Happiness, Joy and Laughter, Drew Brown 'Changing LINKS' (http://www.ChangingLINKS.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ChangingLINKS.com's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/5468 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41941 |
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ChangingLINKS.com wrote: * I know this thread was originally about 700cm wheels, however, since it was the same race, I would like those that were there to decribe what they thought about the 24" riders and their equipment. * Little kids that pedal really fast. 24" will not be competitive in the Unlimited class, no matter how short your cranks are. I don't think many of the riders in the top 10 were using 24" Uni's. 28" yes, but only because a Coker so much heavier than a 28" that you can't put *really* cranks on and expect to rev it up to the same degree. The future will probably be in having short cranks on a lightweight geared 28" Uni. -- GizmoDuck - NZUNI o-kO 'www.adventureunicyclist.com' (http://www.adventureunicyclist.com/) - check out my spanky new and improved website 'Laos Unicycle Tour' (http://www.laosunitour.org) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GizmoDuck's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/794 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41941 |
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GizmoDuck wrote: * 28" yes, but only because a Coker is so much heavier than a 28" that you can't put *really* cranks on and expect to rev it up to the same degree. * This is interesting, because one vcersion of "received wisdom" is that 29s are much faster than 28s, not because of the extra inch (only 3%), but because the extra weight makes them less vulnerable to minor obstacles and blemishes in the ground. This is the argument that makes Cokers fast because of their momentum and "rollover factor". However, after today's ride, when I put 102s back on the 28, I found that I had the confidence to spin fast, and I think this was partly because I wasn't afraid of the unstoppable momentum, because the 28 is so light. Also, if you tip forwards and need to accelerate, a wheel with less inertia may be easier to accelerate. (On the other hand, if the wheel has mnore inertia, instead of it accelerating, you'll push yourself back upright, by Newtons 3rd (?) law.) This interests me very much, as one of my pipe dreams is a superlight 28, with an aero rim, and something like a 22mm tyre, light seat, short cranks and light pedals. It might be impractical, but it'd be sooooo elegant. -- Mikefule - The first cuckoo of unicycling Sumer is icomen in, loud sing Mikefule! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mikefule's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/879 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41941 |
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Mikefule wrote: *This is interesting, because one vcersion of "received wisdom" is that 29s are much faster than 28s, not because of the extra inch (only 3%), but because the extra weight makes them less vulnerable to minor obstacles and blemishes in the ground. This is the argument that makes Cokers fast because of their momentum and "rollover factor". However, after today's ride, when I put 102s back on the 28, I found that I had the confidence to spin fast, and I think this was partly because I wasn't afraid of the unstoppable momentum, because the 28 is so light. Also, if you tip forwards and need to accelerate, a wheel with less inertia may be easier to accelerate. (On the other hand, if the wheel has mnore inertia, instead of it accelerating, you'll push yourself back upright, by Newtons 3rd (?) law.) This interests me very much, as one of my pipe dreams is a superlight 28, with an aero rim, and something like a 22mm tyre, light seat, short cranks and light pedals. It might be impractical, but it'd be sooooo elegant. * Hi Mike, I think you're right to a degree. I haven't ridden a 28" enough to comment on how well it performs on uneven ground. I think on flat smooth ground the 'cruise' factor is not so great, so a Coker and 29" has less advantage over a 28" (hence why the Cokers lost out to the 28" at UNICON). The extra weight of the Coker definitely impedes your ability to shorten cranks in order to spin faster. I doubt I would have gone faster on shorter cranks than the 102mm. In fact, I'm sure I would have gone slower because I would not have the power to spin it as fast. Even a relatively small weight change makes a difference. When I changed my Coker over to Tommy Miller spokes (dropped about 200g), it was faster because I could spin slightly shorter cranks, and when I went tubeless (dropped another 200g) I used shorter cranks still. Essentially, on the flat I can spin 100mm cranks now; whereas I would have been using 125's with my original Coker. There would have been no advantage to 100s on a Stock Coker because I would not have the leverage to spin it any faster than I could spin 125s, but now I can with a lighter Coker wheel. -- GizmoDuck - NZUNI o-kO 'www.adventureunicyclist.com' (http://www.adventureunicyclist.com/) - check out my spanky new and improved website 'Laos Unicycle Tour' (http://www.laosunitour.org) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ GizmoDuck's Profile: http://www.unicyclist.com/profile/794 View this thread: http://www.unicyclist.com/thread/41941 |
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