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So much fr a growth in bicycle riding from the pandemic.
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property. Are you arguing that one doesn't? Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity. Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a bicycle.... and ride it in the rain? Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where such things could be discussed! - Frank Krygowski Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain silly. You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the street? -- cheers, John B. |
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On Sun, 31 May 2020 19:09:17 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote: On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 8:21:04 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2020 16:16:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: Sure, people can make their own choices. They have freedom of choice. But others can discuss those choices. We have freedom of speech; and this _is_ a discussion group. "All choices are equally valid" is way too liberal for me. Why aren't all choices equally valid... for those individuals that make the choice? Easy. Because some choices lead to regret. I imagine you've made some choices you later regretted. I certainly have. I can certainly find literally hordes of people that don't think that an engineering career is suitable, that playing a banjo is music, that riding a bicycle displays even minimal intelligence, even that living in Ohio is a logical choice :-) Those opinions may be fine for the people who hold them. Similarly, there might be those who mad opposite choices and later regretted them. I remember one former English professor who had risen to a very high level in our university's administration. On visiting one of my labs, she told me that she still wished she had gone into engineering. I think her choice worked well enough for her. But perhaps the other would have worked better. Who knows? - Frank Krygowski Interesting. As a rebuttal: The son of a first Sergeant that I had served with in Japan introduced himself to me some 10 years later. He had joined the Air Force because if he played his cards right he could get a free collage education. As he really had no preference in "trades" he was a bit puzzled over what courses he should take and what to aim for as a degree so he wrote the personnel managers of a number of companies like Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, asking what degree would be best if he was applying for a job at their company. And surprisingly they all said "English" :-) (Holding my right hand up and swearing the it is the truth, the whole truth, etc.) -- cheers, John B. |
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So much fr a growth in bicycle riding from the pandemic.
John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 19:09:17 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 8:21:04 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2020 16:16:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: Sure, people can make their own choices. They have freedom of choice. But others can discuss those choices. We have freedom of speech; and this _is_ a discussion group. "All choices are equally valid" is way too liberal for me. Why aren't all choices equally valid... for those individuals that make the choice? Easy. Because some choices lead to regret. I imagine you've made some choices you later regretted. I certainly have. I can certainly find literally hordes of people that don't think that an engineering career is suitable, that playing a banjo is music, that riding a bicycle displays even minimal intelligence, even that living in Ohio is a logical choice :-) Those opinions may be fine for the people who hold them. Similarly, there might be those who mad opposite choices and later regretted them. I remember one former English professor who had risen to a very high level in our university's administration. On visiting one of my labs, she told me that she still wished she had gone into engineering. I think her choice worked well enough for her. But perhaps the other would have worked better. Who knows? - Frank Krygowski Interesting. As a rebuttal: The son of a first Sergeant that I had served with in Japan introduced himself to me some 10 years later. He had joined the Air Force because if he played his cards right he could get a free collage education. As he really had no preference in "trades" he was a bit puzzled over what courses he should take and what to aim for as a degree so he wrote the personnel managers of a number of companies like Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, asking what degree would be best if he was applying for a job at their company. And surprisingly they all said "English" :-) (Holding my right hand up and swearing the it is the truth, the whole truth, etc.) -- cheers, John B. Along the same lines, I made a career out of engineering, but some of the highest value work I ever did involved writing (or rewriting things that other engineers had written). At some point, no matter what your major, you’re going to have to transmit your ideas into other people’s heads, and that’s where fluency in English (or whatever the language of choice is) comes into play. |
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So much fr a growth in bicycle riding from the pandemic.
On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote:
On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property. Are you arguing that one doesn't? Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity. Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a bicycle.... and ride it in the rain? Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where such things could be discussed! - Frank Krygowski Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain silly. You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the street? -- cheers, John B. Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain. For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike. For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too. Cheers |
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So much fr a growth in bicycle riding from the pandemic.
On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:49:36 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52832791 Uber is destroying thousands of electric bikes and scooters, after selling its Jump business to Lime. Videos of its red bikes being crushed at a US recycling centre were shared on social media, angering cycling advocates. That's also happening here in Santa Cruz, California. "Santa Cruz Jump bike-share program future unclear" https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2020/05/11/santa-cruz-jump-bike-share-program-future-unclear/ Uber said it had decided to destroy thousands of its older-model vehicles due to maintenance, liability and safety concerns. Uber designed a replacement bicycle in 2018: "Uber’s new Jump e-bikes are easier to charge and harder to vandalize" https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/18/18144582/uber-jump-new-electric-bike-bikeshare-micromobility I haven't seen any in Santa Cruz. "Uber Jump Bicycle Accident Attorney" https://www.losangelespersonalinjurylawyers.co/bicycle-accident-lawyer-uber-jump/ Uber, however, can contribute to accidents by not providing adequate bikes or by not maintaining bikes that are on the streets. In these instances, you can hold the company responsible; you may also be able to sue if you were hit by a car because of a defect with the bike. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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So much fr a growth in bicycle riding from the pandemic.
On Monday, June 1, 2020 at 7:19:48 AM UTC+2, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property. Are you arguing that one doesn't? Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity. Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a bicycle.... and ride it in the rain? Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where such things could be discussed! - Frank Krygowski Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain silly. You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the street? -- cheers, John B. Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain. For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike. For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too. Cheers A bike best suitable to ride in the rain can be expensive so it would be silly not to ride it in the rain. Lou |
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So much fr a growth in bicycle riding from the pandemic.
On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 04:02:15 -0000 (UTC), news18
wrote: On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:45:52 +0700, John B. wrote: On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 01:32:38 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: Or you could not use their services. No one is forced to trade with any particular 'greedy corporate parasite'. I don't, but when their goal is to drive other businesses out of existence, you are forced to deal with them. Uber? Wants to out do their competitors? Amazing! Wow, you ignoreance of the actions of modern global corporate activites seems to know no bounds. But perhaps you would be more appreciative if they were "a major loss maker"? They are. With any luck they'll hiccup, crash and burn. Nil sympathy for the suckers who invested. Yup. Perhaps, like the international mining companies in Australia. Lets see, that will eliminate 240,000 jobs, then, of course, is manufacturing, lots of big companies there with about 900,000, and of course wholesale trade, lots of big companies there with 380,000 more or less, then we have Accommodation and Food Services, you know those big chain hotels and McDonalds, with something like 850,000. And there goes something like 2,500,000 jobs but what the hell! We got rid of some of those terrible big companies. You are a fool! -- cheers, John B. |
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So much fr a growth in bicycle riding from the pandemic.
On Sun, 31 May 2020 22:19:45 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote: On Monday, 1 June 2020 00:28:47 UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2020 18:49:33 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 6:55:57 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: Actually Frank, I wasn't advocating anything. I was arguing that an entity has the right to do what it wishes with it's own property. Are you arguing that one doesn't? Nope. As I said, a person generally has the right to do what one likes with his property, assuming it doesn't harm others. But still, some things a person might choose to do are, well, stupid. That person shouldn't be surprised if other people mention that stupidity. Just as one must certainly be a bit off to spend, oh say, $3,000 on a bicycle.... and ride it in the rain? Many would say that's stupid. Others would disagree. That disagreement could lead to rational discussion, from which various people might learn a thing or two. If only we could find a discussion group where such things could be discussed! - Frank Krygowski Well, given that it is (still I hope) a democracy we need to take a vote. Question? Riding a $3,000 bicycle in the rain is just plain silly. You care to estimate percentages pro and con if we go to any large population center and ask the first 100 people that walk down the street? -- cheers, John B. Back in 1985 or 1986 I bought a brand new Columbus SL racing bicycle with a complete Dura Ace Indexed groupset. At that time the bike cost $1,500,00 CDN That's $3,192.00CDN today. Many times I had to ride that bike home from work in the rain. For some people (not me) a $3,000.00+ bike is not that expensive and thus they might treat it as we'd treat a beater bike. For others a $3,000.00+ bike might be the ONLY bike they own and thus will ride it in the rain too. Cheers Look at the TREK site. $3,000 is chicken feed when it comes to bicycles. How about the "Checkpoint SL" Described as " an adventure-hungry carbon gravel bike that can help you crush the toughest, longest rides". Selling for only $5,999.99, a pittance for a bike of this nature. Of course if you are a cheapskate and don't mind the lads pointing their fingers and mumbling things like "cheap Charley" you can have the "Checkpoint SL5" described as "a carbon gravel bike made for epic all-road adventures" and selling for only $2,899.99 -- cheers, John B. |
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On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 04:51:38 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
wrote: John B. wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2020 19:09:17 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski wrote: On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 8:21:04 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote: On Sun, 31 May 2020 16:16:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski wrote: Sure, people can make their own choices. They have freedom of choice. But others can discuss those choices. We have freedom of speech; and this _is_ a discussion group. "All choices are equally valid" is way too liberal for me. Why aren't all choices equally valid... for those individuals that make the choice? Easy. Because some choices lead to regret. I imagine you've made some choices you later regretted. I certainly have. I can certainly find literally hordes of people that don't think that an engineering career is suitable, that playing a banjo is music, that riding a bicycle displays even minimal intelligence, even that living in Ohio is a logical choice :-) Those opinions may be fine for the people who hold them. Similarly, there might be those who mad opposite choices and later regretted them. I remember one former English professor who had risen to a very high level in our university's administration. On visiting one of my labs, she told me that she still wished she had gone into engineering. I think her choice worked well enough for her. But perhaps the other would have worked better. Who knows? - Frank Krygowski Interesting. As a rebuttal: The son of a first Sergeant that I had served with in Japan introduced himself to me some 10 years later. He had joined the Air Force because if he played his cards right he could get a free collage education. As he really had no preference in "trades" he was a bit puzzled over what courses he should take and what to aim for as a degree so he wrote the personnel managers of a number of companies like Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, asking what degree would be best if he was applying for a job at their company. And surprisingly they all said "English" :-) (Holding my right hand up and swearing the it is the truth, the whole truth, etc.) -- cheers, John B. Along the same lines, I made a career out of engineering, but some of the highest value work I ever did involved writing (or rewriting things that other engineers had written). At some point, no matter what your major, you’re going to have to transmit your ideas into other people’s heads, and that’s where fluency in English (or whatever the language of choice is) comes into play. I asked the kid about that, after all when you think about car companies you think about engineering and he said that the Personal Managers had all said the same thing, that hiring an engineer was easy but hiring someone who actually knew how to use English was difficult :-) Sort of on the same subject, In a conversation with one of the owners of the company I worked for in Indonesia I once mentioned that so-and-so was an engineer and the Boss said, "Engineer? If I want an Engineer I can always hire one." -- cheers, John B. |
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On 5/31/2020 11:02 PM, news18 wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2020 10:45:52 +0700, John B. wrote: On Mon, 1 Jun 2020 01:32:38 -0000 (UTC), news18 wrote: Or you could not use their services. No one is forced to trade with any particular 'greedy corporate parasite'. I don't, but when their goal is to drive other businesses out of existence, you are forced to deal with them. Uber? Wants to out do their competitors? Amazing! Wow, you ignoreance of the actions of modern global corporate activites seems to know no bounds. But perhaps you would be more appreciative if they were "a major loss maker"? They are. With any luck they'll hiccup, crash and burn. Nil sympathy for the suckers who invested. Do you mean Solyndra and their rape of taxpayers perhaps? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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