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NobodyMan wrote:
I am one of those ardently opposed to bicycle lanes. When they are present, they are usually clogged with slower riders, walkers, joggers, runners, dog-walkers...take your pick. Even when these lanes are on the side of the road and not separated from the road I run into this. Now factor in that since the lane is there drivers demand that you ride there...where it is not feasible if you are a sport rider trying to get in a decent workout. I have no idea where you live; most bike lanes around here work well. They don't get "clogged" very often, they are not separated from the roadway, drivers recognize that we cyclists leave the bike lane for any number of valid reasons and don't become hostile when we do. When I treat leaving the bike lane like changing lanes (left shoulder check, signal, change lanes when it's safe), I get respect from drivers. Bike *paths* are a different story. I have yet to find one that's decent. -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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NobodyMan wrote:
I am one of those ardently opposed to bicycle lanes. When they are present, they are usually clogged with slower riders, walkers, joggers, runners, dog-walkers...take your pick. Even when these lanes are on the side of the road and not separated from the road I run into this. Now factor in that since the lane is there drivers demand that you ride there...where it is not feasible if you are a sport rider trying to get in a decent workout. I have no idea where you live; most bike lanes around here work well. They don't get "clogged" very often, they are not separated from the roadway, drivers recognize that we cyclists leave the bike lane for any number of valid reasons and don't become hostile when we do. When I treat leaving the bike lane like changing lanes (left shoulder check, signal, change lanes when it's safe), I get respect from drivers. Bike *paths* are a different story. I have yet to find one that's decent. -- terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/ |
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An article in today's Orlando Sentinel: Traffic, Bicyclists on
Collision Course. http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/...orl-home-promo Included in the story concerning the dangers of cycling in Lake County, there are responses from an FHP officer -- tired cyclists "end up misjudging distances or not hearing cars coming up behind them;" "This is an attractive area for them to come and train .. but roads aren't designed and built for them." I would have thought a comment about stricter enforcement against dangerous driving, and more official recognition that, even in Lake County, bicycles are vehicles and have all pertinent rights, might have been more helpful. Wayne |
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An article in today's Orlando Sentinel: Traffic, Bicyclists on
Collision Course. http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/...orl-home-promo Included in the story concerning the dangers of cycling in Lake County, there are responses from an FHP officer -- tired cyclists "end up misjudging distances or not hearing cars coming up behind them;" "This is an attractive area for them to come and train .. but roads aren't designed and built for them." I would have thought a comment about stricter enforcement against dangerous driving, and more official recognition that, even in Lake County, bicycles are vehicles and have all pertinent rights, might have been more helpful. Wayne |
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(Wayne) writes:
An article in today's Orlando Sentinel: Traffic, Bicyclists on Collision Course. http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/...orl-home-promo Included in the story concerning the dangers of cycling in Lake County, there are responses from an FHP officer -- tired cyclists "end up misjudging distances or not hearing cars coming up behind them;" "This is an attractive area for them to come and train .. but roads aren't designed and built for them." I would have thought a comment about stricter enforcement against dangerous driving, and more official recognition that, even in Lake County, bicycles are vehicles and have all pertinent rights, might have been more helpful. This is unfortunately the prevailing thought in America, that roads are for cars. There are a number of mistaken beliefs underpinning this error, for example that bicyclists don't pay taxes. Similar comments are often made about other non-motorized road users like Amish families. There is something about being in a car that makes people arrogant- I notice it in myself as well. |
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(Wayne) writes:
An article in today's Orlando Sentinel: Traffic, Bicyclists on Collision Course. http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/...orl-home-promo Included in the story concerning the dangers of cycling in Lake County, there are responses from an FHP officer -- tired cyclists "end up misjudging distances or not hearing cars coming up behind them;" "This is an attractive area for them to come and train .. but roads aren't designed and built for them." I would have thought a comment about stricter enforcement against dangerous driving, and more official recognition that, even in Lake County, bicycles are vehicles and have all pertinent rights, might have been more helpful. This is unfortunately the prevailing thought in America, that roads are for cars. There are a number of mistaken beliefs underpinning this error, for example that bicyclists don't pay taxes. Similar comments are often made about other non-motorized road users like Amish families. There is something about being in a car that makes people arrogant- I notice it in myself as well. |
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On 4 Dec 2004 12:43:43 -0800, Wayne wrote:
An article in today's Orlando Sentinel: Traffic, Bicyclists on Collision Course. http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/...orl-home-promo Included in the story concerning the dangers of cycling in Lake County, there are responses from an FHP officer -- tired cyclists "end up misjudging distances or not hearing cars coming up behind them;" "This is an attractive area for them to come and train .. but roads aren't designed and built for them." I would have thought a comment about stricter enforcement against dangerous driving, and more official recognition that, even in Lake County, bicycles are vehicles and have all pertinent rights, might have been more helpful. Wayne I worked in Healdsburg, CA for about 3 years from 1999 to a post 9/11 layoff and there was an article in the local paper, Healdsburg or Santa Rosa about a bicyclist who had been killed. His only crime was that he had epilepsy and could not legally drive a car. He got hit and killed due to the fact that the local authorities did not think it was worth thier time and money to put at least a minimal lane in where he had to ride. I wonder if his family sued them into thinking it was. I loved working there because of all the wonderfully scenic places to ride before my morning shower, at lunch, and after work. In this case he had no one to car pool with and had to ride but the county just blew him off. -- Bill (?) Baka |
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On 4 Dec 2004 12:43:43 -0800, Wayne wrote:
An article in today's Orlando Sentinel: Traffic, Bicyclists on Collision Course. http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/...orl-home-promo Included in the story concerning the dangers of cycling in Lake County, there are responses from an FHP officer -- tired cyclists "end up misjudging distances or not hearing cars coming up behind them;" "This is an attractive area for them to come and train .. but roads aren't designed and built for them." I would have thought a comment about stricter enforcement against dangerous driving, and more official recognition that, even in Lake County, bicycles are vehicles and have all pertinent rights, might have been more helpful. Wayne I worked in Healdsburg, CA for about 3 years from 1999 to a post 9/11 layoff and there was an article in the local paper, Healdsburg or Santa Rosa about a bicyclist who had been killed. His only crime was that he had epilepsy and could not legally drive a car. He got hit and killed due to the fact that the local authorities did not think it was worth thier time and money to put at least a minimal lane in where he had to ride. I wonder if his family sued them into thinking it was. I loved working there because of all the wonderfully scenic places to ride before my morning shower, at lunch, and after work. In this case he had no one to car pool with and had to ride but the county just blew him off. -- Bill (?) Baka |
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(Wayne) wrote in message om...
An article in today's Orlando Sentinel: Traffic, Bicyclists on Collision Course. http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/...orl-home-promo Included in the story concerning the dangers of cycling in Lake County, there are responses from an FHP officer -- tired cyclists "end up misjudging distances or not hearing cars coming up behind them;" "This is an attractive area for them to come and train .. but roads aren't designed and built for them." I would have thought a comment about stricter enforcement against dangerous driving, and more official recognition that, even in Lake County, bicycles are vehicles and have all pertinent rights, might have been more helpful. Wayne This is reality. You don't belong there, you are not welcome there, and you can only get killed. Of course, you can still try it, but you are on your own. |
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