Do cyclists make better motorcyclists?

Tom Nakashima wrote:

wrote in message
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Trevor, of course, claims to have hit 70 mph on what he
judges to be only a 10% grade, not the 17% that I used for
my example. (Wales is awfully short of 10% grades, judging
by the site above, which doesn't mention the A494 road as
having outstandingly steep sections.)

Trevor eventually remembered a tailwind of less than 10 mph
that was later upgraded to 15 mph.

He also proposes some drafting theories that don't seem to
be exactly air-tight, if you'll pardon the pun.

Riders can reach 70 mph just by coasting, given some
combination of grade, weight, and tailwind.

But Trevor claims to have reached 70 mph routinely by
pedalling a 52 x 12 at 200 rpm on a stretch of Welsh road
whose grade he claims is about 10%.

I'm skeptical, but I think that his 70 mph claim may be a
little more likely than his claim that a sprinting rider was
swerving ten feet from side to side when the gearing
produced only 12.5 feet of forward movement with each stomp
on the pedal.

Or than his claim that any decent sprinter can reach 50 mph
on level ground (Mark McMaster pointed out that the flying
200 meter sprint record is just under ten seconds--only 45.4
mph.)

Or than his claim that both his tires routinely came off the
ground at the same time during sprinting in a sort of
kangaroo-hop tribute to his wheel-building technique, power,
and poor form.

Or than his claim that he has a wheel with spokes worn a
third of the way through where they cross.

Or . . . well, you get the idea.

Carl Fogel


So what's your point Carl? That Trevor is a liar?

At least Mr. Fogel is not accusing Trevor of being a liar on the basis
of what Mr. Fogel thinks are ulterior motives on Trevor's part, but
without Mr. Fogel having any proof of such motives.

--
Tom Sherman

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 01:50:14 GMT, Mike Latondresse
wrote:

Bill Lloyd wrote in
:

And a 17% grade? Where are you going to find a sustained 17%
grade?

Like most of his other claims, in his imagination.

Dear Mike,

To be fair, the 17% grade springs from my imagination,
seeking a grade to produce a specified speed.

Trevor only claims a 10% grade, adding that such grades and
steeper are common in that area of the A494 in Wales.

Carl Fogel

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 01:50:14 GMT, Mike Latondresse
wrote:

Bill Lloyd wrote in
:

And a 17% grade? Where are you going to find a sustained 17%
grade?

Like most of his other claims, in his imagination.

Dear Mike,

To be fair, the 17% grade springs from my imagination,
seeking a grade to produce a specified speed.

Trevor only claims a 10% grade, adding that such grades and
steeper are common in that area of the A494 in Wales.

Carl Fogel

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 01:50:14 GMT, Mike Latondresse
wrote:

Bill Lloyd wrote in
:

And a 17% grade? Where are you going to find a sustained 17%
grade?

Like most of his other claims, in his imagination.

Dear Mike,

To be fair, the 17% grade springs from my imagination,
seeking a grade to produce a specified speed.

Trevor only claims a 10% grade, adding that such grades and
steeper are common in that area of the A494 in Wales.

Carl Fogel

In article ,
Mark Hickey wrote:

wrote:

No one talks about Lance's
fantastic cornering skill in his lightning ascent at 16 mph
of the Alp d'Huez.

I dunno - I'm pretty impressed he managed to miss all those obnoxious
tourists on the way up. Then again, I guess I could say the same
about the motorcyclists (coincidentally most of them ride the same
bike I do) who were pacing the racers. Then again again, maybe they
don't HAVE to miss the tourists (after all, the mirrors pop off if
they hit someone).

The motorcycle escorts deliberately ride a set pattern, according to one
report here. That is, they ride just ahead of the cyclists, at the
riders' pace, near the edge of the road.

Since most people recognize the proximate hazard of a 600-pound object
moving at 20+ km/h, they step back, granting the bicycle racer some room.

--
Ryan Cousineau, http://www.wiredcola.com
Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

In article ,
Mark Hickey wrote:

wrote:

No one talks about Lance's
fantastic cornering skill in his lightning ascent at 16 mph
of the Alp d'Huez.

I dunno - I'm pretty impressed he managed to miss all those obnoxious
tourists on the way up. Then again, I guess I could say the same
about the motorcyclists (coincidentally most of them ride the same
bike I do) who were pacing the racers. Then again again, maybe they
don't HAVE to miss the tourists (after all, the mirrors pop off if
they hit someone).

The motorcycle escorts deliberately ride a set pattern, according to one
report here. That is, they ride just ahead of the cyclists, at the
riders' pace, near the edge of the road.

Since most people recognize the proximate hazard of a 600-pound object
moving at 20+ km/h, they step back, granting the bicycle racer some room.

--
Ryan Cousineau, http://www.wiredcola.com
Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

In article ,
Mark Hickey wrote:

wrote:

No one talks about Lance's
fantastic cornering skill in his lightning ascent at 16 mph
of the Alp d'Huez.

I dunno - I'm pretty impressed he managed to miss all those obnoxious
tourists on the way up. Then again, I guess I could say the same
about the motorcyclists (coincidentally most of them ride the same
bike I do) who were pacing the racers. Then again again, maybe they
don't HAVE to miss the tourists (after all, the mirrors pop off if
they hit someone).

The motorcycle escorts deliberately ride a set pattern, according to one
report here. That is, they ride just ahead of the cyclists, at the
riders' pace, near the edge of the road.

Since most people recognize the proximate hazard of a 600-pound object
moving at 20+ km/h, they step back, granting the bicycle racer some room.

--
Ryan Cousineau, http://www.wiredcola.com
Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote in message
...

Since most people recognize the proximate hazard of a 600-pound object
moving at 20+ km/h, they step back, granting the bicycle racer some room.

--
Ryan Cousineau, http://www.wiredcola.com
Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

When Lance was on the Jay Leno tonight show last week, he was asked about
the ride up Alp d'Huez ITT, and if the crowd bothered him. Since Jay's a
motorcycle collector, he also thought it was the motorbike that the crowd
was parting for, but Armstrong said what the TV viewers didn't see, is the
team car a few feet behind him as he was climbing, and the crowd didn't want
to get hit by the car. They even showed a clip of his climb up the Alp.
-tom

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote in message
...

Since most people recognize the proximate hazard of a 600-pound object
moving at 20+ km/h, they step back, granting the bicycle racer some room.

--
Ryan Cousineau, http://www.wiredcola.com
Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

When Lance was on the Jay Leno tonight show last week, he was asked about
the ride up Alp d'Huez ITT, and if the crowd bothered him. Since Jay's a
motorcycle collector, he also thought it was the motorbike that the crowd
was parting for, but Armstrong said what the TV viewers didn't see, is the
team car a few feet behind him as he was climbing, and the crowd didn't want
to get hit by the car. They even showed a clip of his climb up the Alp.
-tom

"Ryan Cousineau" wrote in message
...

Since most people recognize the proximate hazard of a 600-pound object
moving at 20+ km/h, they step back, granting the bicycle racer some room.

--
Ryan Cousineau, http://www.wiredcola.com
Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

When Lance was on the Jay Leno tonight show last week, he was asked about
the ride up Alp d'Huez ITT, and if the crowd bothered him. Since Jay's a
motorcycle collector, he also thought it was the motorbike that the crowd
was parting for, but Armstrong said what the TV viewers didn't see, is the
team car a few feet behind him as he was climbing, and the crowd didn't want
to get hit by the car. They even showed a clip of his climb up the Alp.
-tom