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Per Edward Dolan:
Under Carter/Clinton the federal deficit was reduced by 13%. Under Reagan/Bush it was increased by 62%. Clinton was only able to reduce the deficit because of pressure coming from a Republican Congress. But Bush was a big spender and did not even have brains enough to defend our borders from illegal aliens. But no one in the world can spend like liberal Dems. Obama is bankrupting the country. [...] That's what a lot of Republican damage-control types say, but observe (in the link above) that after Clinton, G.W. Bush had a Republican congress for six of his eight years in office, yet they managed do add 15.1% to the national debt. And that's not to mention Reagan with his Republican congress for what? 8 years? that managed to run up the credit card by an additional 20.6 percent. All the while managing to convince their base that they were champions of fiscal responsibility and the Dems were not. I can't argue with the old sages that said that sex was the original sin, but I'd say that stupidity and ignorance are contenders for a close second place. Lest you think I'm on one side or another, I would say that both parties are very, very guilty of pandering to the fantasy that our country is going to get out of the mess that it is in without the voters experiencing some significant pain. The Republicans may draw a little more ire bco the blatant hypocrisy of dumping on Dems as big spenders while they add so much to the debt... but in the end they're both lacking in integrity. The Dems talk about "investing" when they're really just handing out money. The Repubs talk about "fiscal responsibility, "no new taxes" and "cutting the budget" - when every non-partisan source I've heard says balancing the budget cannot be done on cuts along and they've increased the debt hugely while saying those words. Neither one wants to talk about raising the retirement age for social security, raising the social security contribution, or cutting back on Medicare. And I can't blame them. It's us, the electorate, that's behind all this. Let a politician from any party even mention raising taxes or cutting entitlements and see what happens - the others are all over him like flies on dung. Simpson/Bowles said it all in their report. The Repubs pretended to be outraged over it and Obama sort of patted the deficit reduction committee on the head and moved on. -- PeteCresswell |
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On 3/17/2011 4:23 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Edward Dolan: Under Carter/Clinton the federal deficit was reduced by 13%. Under Reagan/Bush it was increased by 62%. Clinton was only able to reduce the deficit because of pressure coming from a Republican Congress. But Bush was a big spender and did not even have brains enough to defend our borders from illegal aliens. But no one in the world can spend like liberal Dems. Obama is bankrupting the country. [...] That's what a lot of Republican damage-control types say, but observe (in the link above) that after Clinton, G.W. Bush had a Republican congress for six of his eight years in office, yet they managed do add 15.1% to the national debt. And that's not to mention Reagan with his Republican congress for what? 8 years? that managed to run up the credit card by an additional 20.6 percent. All the while managing to convince their base that they were champions of fiscal responsibility and the Dems were not. Something that they still seem able to do. |
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"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
... Per Edward Dolan: Under Carter/Clinton the federal deficit was reduced by 13%. Under Reagan/Bush it was increased by 62%. Clinton was only able to reduce the deficit because of pressure coming from a Republican Congress. But Bush was a big spender and did not even have brains enough to defend our borders from illegal aliens. But no one in the world can spend like liberal Dems. Obama is bankrupting the country. [...] That's what a lot of Republican damage-control types say, but observe (in the link above) that after Clinton, G.W. Bush had a Republican congress for six of his eight years in office, yet they managed do add 15.1% to the national debt. And that's not to mention Reagan with his Republican congress for what? 8 years? that managed to run up the credit card by an additional 20.6 percent. All the while managing to convince their base that they were champions of fiscal responsibility and the Dems were not. Both Reagan and Bush were big spenders, but they can't compare to liberal Dems and Obama. Clinton wanted to be a big spender too, but was constrained by Congressional Repubs. I can't argue with the old sages that said that sex was the original sin, but I'd say that stupidity and ignorance are contenders for a close second place. Lest you think I'm on one side or another, I would say that both parties are very, very guilty of pandering to the fantasy that our country is going to get out of the mess that it is in without the voters experiencing some significant pain. The Republicans may draw a little more ire bco the blatant hypocrisy of dumping on Dems as big spenders while they add so much to the debt... but in the end they're both lacking in integrity. The Dems talk about "investing" when they're really just handing out money. The Repubs talk about "fiscal responsibility, "no new taxes" and "cutting the budget" - when every non-partisan source I've heard says balancing the budget cannot be done on cuts along and they've increased the debt hugely while saying those words. Neither one wants to talk about raising the retirement age for social security, raising the social security contribution, or cutting back on Medicare. Those are precisely what I DO want to talk about. There is no other way for this nation to avoid going down the tubes. And I can't blame them. It's us, the electorate, that's behind all this. Let a politician from any party even mention raising taxes or cutting entitlements and see what happens - the others are all over him like flies on dung. I think that is going to change very shortly when some chickens come home to roost. Americans will not like being permanently poor like most in the rest of the world. Simpson/Bowles said it all in their report. The Repubs pretended to be outraged over it and Obama sort of patted the deficit reduction committee on the head and moved on. Ony the Tea Party types are up to speed on this issue. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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On Mar 17, 4:23*pm, "(PeteCresswell)" wrote:
Per Edward Dolan: Under Carter/Clinton the federal deficit was reduced by 13%. Under Reagan/Bush it was increased by 62%. Clinton was only able to reduce the deficit because of pressure coming from a Republican Congress. But Bush was a big spender and did not even have brains enough to defend our borders from illegal aliens. But no one in the world can spend like liberal Dems. Obama is bankrupting the country. [...] That's what a lot of Republican damage-control types say, but observe (in the link above) that after Clinton, G.W. Bush had a Republican congress for six of his eight years in office, yet they managed do add 15.1% *to the national debt. * And that's not to mention Reagan with his Republican congress for what? 8 years? that managed to run up the credit card by an additional 20.6 percent. All the while managing to convince their base that they were champions of fiscal responsibility and the Dems were not. I can't argue with the old sages that said that sex was the original sin, but I'd say that stupidity and ignorance are contenders for a close second place. Lest you think I'm on one side or another, I would say that both parties are very, very guilty of pandering to the fantasy that our country is going to get out of the mess that it is in without the voters experiencing some significant pain. * The Republicans may draw a little more ire bco the blatant hypocrisy of dumping on Dems as big spenders while they add so much to the debt... but in the end they're both lacking in integrity. The Dems talk about "investing" when they're really just handing out money. The Repubs talk about "fiscal responsibility, *"no new taxes" and "cutting the budget" - when every non-partisan source I've heard says balancing the budget cannot be done on cuts along and they've increased the debt hugely while saying those words. Neither one wants to talk about raising the retirement age for social security, raising the social security contribution, or cutting back on Medicare. And I can't blame them. * It's us, the electorate, that's behind all this. * Let a politician from any party even mention raising taxes or cutting entitlements and see what happens - the others are all over him like flies on dung. Simpson/Bowles said it all in their report. * The Repubs pretended to be outraged over it and Obama sort of patted the deficit reduction committee on the head and moved on. I don't disagree with much that you've said, but I notice you didn't mention "defense" spending at all. I think it's quite pertinent to any budget discussion. - Frank Krygowski |
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Per Edward Dolan:
Both Reagan and Bush were big spenders, but they can't compare to liberal Dems and Obama. Clinton wanted to be a big spender too, but was constrained by Congressional Repubs. Assuming it was congress and not the president, why was Bush not similarly constrained? -- PeteCresswell |
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Per Frank Krygowski:
I don't disagree with much that you've said, but I notice you didn't mention "defense" spending at all. I think it's quite pertinent to any budget discussion. Seems to me like beeeeg money in various legislators' districts. Witness how hard it was to kill that extra fighter jet engine -that the military even explicitly said they did not want - from Boener's district, IIRC. -- PeteCresswell |
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"Frank Krygowski" wrote in message
... [...] I don't disagree with much that you've said, but I notice you didn't mention "defense" spending at all. I think it's quite pertinent to any budget discussion. Defense is one area of spending we never want to cut back on. That is what defeated the Soviet Union under Reagan. It is only the ever cowardly liberal Dems who want to cut defense spending. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message ... Per Edward Dolan: Both Reagan and Bush were big spenders, but they can't compare to liberal Dems and Obama. Clinton wanted to be a big spender too, but was constrained by Congressional Repubs. Assuming it was congress and not the president, why was Bush not similarly constrained? Has it ever occurred to you that only divided government works in this country? -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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Per Edward Dolan:
Defense is one area of spending we never want to cut back on. That is what defeated the Soviet Union under Reagan. There are those who would say the plunge in global oil prices, the rise of the internet, and loss of control over the media under glasnost had something to do with it too. -- PeteCresswell |
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"(PeteCresswell)" wrote in message
... Per Edward Dolan: Defense is one area of spending we never want to cut back on. That is what defeated the Soviet Union under Reagan. There are those who would say the plunge in global oil prices, the rise of the internet, and loss of control over the media under glasnost had something to do with it too. Nope, it was only how the US under Reagan was able to out spend them on defense that ultimately defeated them. The Soviets, like all totalitarian regimes, never had any regard for what anyone ever thought of them. Without Reagan, there would still be a Soviet Union today. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota |
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