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Old May 27th 08, 04:10 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Doug Bashford
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Default Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.


Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
human response to death.

Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.
As often happens, he became very angry at his
brother for dying. Seemingly he never got over
this (repressed) anger and it may have even grown
into a form of hatred.

Of course anger at a dead brother is socially and psychologically
unacceptable, thus repressed, and thus often one of the
more difficult symptoms in the grieving process to handle
since it is hidden, often deeply.

So rather than do the unthinkable and (say) ****
on his brother's grave, he "transfered" his
anger (and possible hatred) to bikers in general.

This may have been more likely if his brother
was seen in a near god-like or guru status,
*or if he was an abuser.*


=============== Transference
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Transference is a phenomenon in psychology characterized by
unconscious redirection of feelings for one person to another.
One definition of transference is "the inappropriate
repetition in the present of a relationship that was important in
a person's childhood." Another definition is "the
redirection of feelings and desires and especially of those
unconsciously retained from childhood toward a new object."
Still another definition is "a reproduction of emotions
relating to repressed experiences, esp. of childhood, and the
substitution of another person . . . for the original object of
the repressed impulses."
Transference was first described by Sigmund Freud, who
acknowledged its importance for psychoanalysis for better
understanding of the patient's feelings.

.....

Transference is common. Only in a personally or socially
harmful context can transference be described as a pathological
issue.

A new theory of transference known as AMT (Abusive Multiple
Transference) has been suggested by David W. Bernstein, in which
abusers not only transfer negative feelings directed towards
their former abusers to their own victims, but also transfer the
power and dominance of the former abusers to themselves.
This kind of transference is sometimes part of the
psychological makeup of murderers -- for example the serial
killer Carroll Cole. While his father was away in World War
II, Cole's mother engaged in several extramarital affairs,
forcing Cole to watch. She later beat him to ensure that he
would not alert his father. Cole would later come to murder
many women whom he considered "loose," and those in general who
reminded him of his mother.

Transference and counter-transference during psychotherapy

In a therapy context, transference refers to redirection of a
client's feelings from a significant person to a therapist.
Transference is often manifested as an erotic attraction towards
a therapist, but can be seen in many other forms such as rage,
hatred, mistrust, parentification, extreme dependence, or even
placing the therapist in a god-like or guru status.

.........

See also

* grieving
* projection
* countertransference
* Parataxic distortion
* displacement

====================


http://www.google.com/search?num=30&...er&btnG=Search

The Stages Of Grief
A Normal Life Process; Five Stages Of Grief. 1. Denial and
Isolation. ... Anger. The grieving person may then be furious at
the person who inflicted the ...
http://www.memorialhospital.org/libr...ess-THE-3.html - 17k
- -------

Anger and the Grieving Process
Anger is but one of many emotional reactions to the painful
reality of death. It is important to recognize anger as a
natural, human response. ...
www.tcfcanada.net/articles/coping/anger.htm - 11k - -------

Grieving
Your primary task in dealing with anger, of course, is to
acknowledge and accept ... This is the most painful stage of the
grieving process, because it's ...
www.divorceinfo.com/grieving.htm - 35k - -------

Coping With Death, Grief, and Loss Handout
Time and support facilitate the grieving process, allowing an ...
Anger may result from feeling abandoned, occurring in cases of
loss through death. ...
www.uiowa.edu/~ucs/griefloss.html - 35k - -------

Grieving and Healing - 5 Steps to Help You Through the Grieving
...
In my practice as a therapist, I have counseled many people who
lost a loved one and worked through the grieving process.
Combining my own experience with ...
seniorliving.about.com/od/lifetransitionsaging/a/grieving.htm -
23k - -------

Grief - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While many who grieve are able to work through their loss
independently, accessing additional support from bereavement
professionals may promote the process ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grief - 66k - -------

The Grieving Process
The grieving process gives us time to reflect and find new
strength that ... Understanding more about grief and the grieving
process can help you heal, ...
http://www.hns.org/CenterforGriefHea...0/Default.aspx
- 19k - -------



====================

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PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
....all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
....Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?





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  #2  
Old May 27th 08, 04:13 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Jeff Strickland
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Default Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.


"Doug Bashford" wrote in message
om...

Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.


He hates mountain bikers because they have sex, and he does not. This
accounts for the endless stream of mountain bikers, and the relative short
supply of enbvirowhackos such as him.



  #3  
Old May 27th 08, 04:30 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Doug Bashford
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Posts: 26
Default Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.


Jeff Strickland said about:
Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.




Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.


He hates mountain bikers because they have sex, and he does not. This
accounts for the endless stream of mountain bikers, and the relative short
supply of enbvirowhackos such as him.


His guise as environmentalist is just that.
His posting to ca.environment, and sci.environment
is part of that gambit. In part he is attempting
to fool himself. It's part of the repression
mentioned.

In fact, he is an anti-bike whacko, a victim
of sad circumstance.

His missusage of this gambit, despite his intentions,
makes him an anti-environmentalist. His is the
perfect case of; "the road to hell is paved with
good intentions." Said otherwise: actions and
results speak louder than intent and rhetoric.




--

PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
....all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
....Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?





  #4  
Old May 28th 08, 01:06 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
ShadowTek
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Posts: 2
Default Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

At least he keeps using the same post name, which makes him easy to
filter out. I just don't understand why he keeps posting to this
newsgroup. Why not just target all the mountain biking groups, and
quite spamming all the non-bikers that browse the "backcountry" forum.
  #5  
Old May 28th 08, 01:27 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Jeff Strickland
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Posts: 613
Default Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.


"ShadowTek" wrote in message
...
At least he keeps using the same post name, which makes him easy to
filter out. I just don't understand why he keeps posting to this
newsgroup. Why not just target all the mountain biking groups, and
quite spamming all the non-bikers that browse the "backcountry" forum.



Because his real agenda is not bikes at all, his real agenda is rubber on
dirt. If Mike had his way, the backcountry would be closed to any form of
human visitation. Mike wants you to go to the museum to see what nature
looks like, he opposes you actually going into a natural area to experience
it for yourself.

Mike would prefer you stand in front of a mural while a voice in the speaker
says, "imagine the tranquility of the sounds of birds singing, crickets
chirping, and the occasional large mammal passing by."






  #6  
Old May 28th 08, 02:53 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
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Default Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

Excellent post Doug. I believe it has progressed to a dangerous point
over the years into a more sociopathic personality which can happen in
your past lies sublime.

THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY:


(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or
telling the truth about anything.


(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really
believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special
grace.


(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight
or
willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever
the problem, it is always someone else's fault.


(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.


(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their
lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence.
Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of
psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their
behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

  #7  
Old May 29th 08, 02:58 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman
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Default Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

On Tue, 27 May 2008 03:10:00 GMT, (Doug Bashford)
wrote:


Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
human response to death.

Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.
As often happens, he became very angry at his
brother for dying. Seemingly he never got over
this (repressed) anger and it may have even grown
into a form of hatred.

Of course anger at a dead brother is socially and psychologically
unacceptable, thus repressed, and thus often one of the
more difficult symptoms in the grieving process to handle
since it is hidden, often deeply.

So rather than do the unthinkable and (say) ****
on his brother's grave, he "transfered" his
anger (and possible hatred) to bikers in general.

This may have been more likely if his brother
was seen in a near god-like or guru status,
*or if he was an abuser.*


=============== Transference
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Transference is a phenomenon in psychology characterized by
unconscious redirection of feelings for one person to another.
One definition of transference is "the inappropriate
repetition in the present of a relationship that was important in
a person's childhood." Another definition is "the
redirection of feelings and desires and especially of those
unconsciously retained from childhood toward a new object."
Still another definition is "a reproduction of emotions
relating to repressed experiences, esp. of childhood, and the
substitution of another person . . . for the original object of
the repressed impulses."
Transference was first described by Sigmund Freud, who
acknowledged its importance for psychoanalysis for better
understanding of the patient's feelings.

....

Transference is common. Only in a personally or socially
harmful context can transference be described as a pathological
issue.

A new theory of transference known as AMT (Abusive Multiple
Transference) has been suggested by David W. Bernstein, in which
abusers not only transfer negative feelings directed towards
their former abusers to their own victims, but also transfer the
power and dominance of the former abusers to themselves.
This kind of transference is sometimes part of the
psychological makeup of murderers -- for example the serial
killer Carroll Cole. While his father was away in World War
II, Cole's mother engaged in several extramarital affairs,
forcing Cole to watch. She later beat him to ensure that he
would not alert his father. Cole would later come to murder
many women whom he considered "loose," and those in general who
reminded him of his mother.

Transference and counter-transference during psychotherapy

In a therapy context, transference refers to redirection of a
client's feelings from a significant person to a therapist.
Transference is often manifested as an erotic attraction towards
a therapist, but can be seen in many other forms such as rage,
hatred, mistrust, parentification, extreme dependence, or even
placing the therapist in a god-like or guru status.

........

See also

* grieving
* projection
* countertransference
* Parataxic distortion
* displacement

====================


http://www.google.com/search?num=30&...er&btnG=Search

The Stages Of Grief
A Normal Life Process; Five Stages Of Grief. 1. Denial and
Isolation. ... Anger. The grieving person may then be furious at
the person who inflicted the ...
http://www.memorialhospital.org/libr...ess-THE-3.html - 17k
- -------

Anger and the Grieving Process
Anger is but one of many emotional reactions to the painful
reality of death. It is important to recognize anger as a
natural, human response. ...
www.tcfcanada.net/articles/coping/anger.htm - 11k - -------

Grieving
Your primary task in dealing with anger, of course, is to
acknowledge and accept ... This is the most painful stage of the
grieving process, because it's ...
www.divorceinfo.com/grieving.htm - 35k - -------

Coping With Death, Grief, and Loss Handout
Time and support facilitate the grieving process, allowing an ...
Anger may result from feeling abandoned, occurring in cases of
loss through death. ...
www.uiowa.edu/~ucs/griefloss.html - 35k - -------

Grieving and Healing - 5 Steps to Help You Through the Grieving
..
In my practice as a therapist, I have counseled many people who
lost a loved one and worked through the grieving process.
Combining my own experience with ...
seniorliving.about.com/od/lifetransitionsaging/a/grieving.htm -
23k - -------

Grief - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While many who grieve are able to work through their loss
independently, accessing additional support from bereavement
professionals may promote the process ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grief - 66k - -------

The Grieving Process
The grieving process gives us time to reflect and find new
strength that ... Understanding more about grief and the grieving
process can help you heal, ...
http://www.hns.org/CenterforGriefHea...0/Default.aspx
- 19k - -------



====================

google Results about 1,480,000 for
transfer OR transference psychology OR psychological

http://www.google.com/search?num=30&...&btnG=Sear ch


PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
...all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
...Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?





That's nice.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
  #8  
Old May 29th 08, 03:41 PM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Mike Vandeman
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Posts: 4,798
Default Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

On Tue, 27 May 2008 03:10:00 GMT, (Doug Bashford)
wrote:


Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

It is important to recognize anger as a natural,
human response to death.

Many years ago Mike Vandeman's brother was killed
in San Fransisco in a bike accedent.
As often happens, he became very angry at his
brother for dying. Seemingly he never got over
this (repressed) anger and it may have even grown
into a form of hatred.

Of course anger at a dead brother is socially and psychologically
unacceptable, thus repressed, and thus often one of the
more difficult symptoms in the grieving process to handle
since it is hidden, often deeply.

So rather than do the unthinkable and (say) ****
on his brother's grave, he "transfered" his
anger (and possible hatred) to bikers in general.

This may have been more likely if his brother
was seen in a near god-like or guru status,
*or if he was an abuser.*


=============== Transference
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Transference is a phenomenon in psychology characterized by
unconscious redirection of feelings for one person to another.
One definition of transference is "the inappropriate
repetition in the present of a relationship that was important in
a person's childhood." Another definition is "the
redirection of feelings and desires and especially of those
unconsciously retained from childhood toward a new object."
Still another definition is "a reproduction of emotions
relating to repressed experiences, esp. of childhood, and the
substitution of another person . . . for the original object of
the repressed impulses."
Transference was first described by Sigmund Freud, who
acknowledged its importance for psychoanalysis for better
understanding of the patient's feelings.

....

Transference is common. Only in a personally or socially
harmful context can transference be described as a pathological
issue.

A new theory of transference known as AMT (Abusive Multiple
Transference) has been suggested by David W. Bernstein, in which
abusers not only transfer negative feelings directed towards
their former abusers to their own victims, but also transfer the
power and dominance of the former abusers to themselves.
This kind of transference is sometimes part of the
psychological makeup of murderers -- for example the serial
killer Carroll Cole. While his father was away in World War
II, Cole's mother engaged in several extramarital affairs,
forcing Cole to watch. She later beat him to ensure that he
would not alert his father. Cole would later come to murder
many women whom he considered "loose," and those in general who
reminded him of his mother.

Transference and counter-transference during psychotherapy

In a therapy context, transference refers to redirection of a
client's feelings from a significant person to a therapist.
Transference is often manifested as an erotic attraction towards
a therapist, but can be seen in many other forms such as rage,
hatred, mistrust, parentification, extreme dependence, or even
placing the therapist in a god-like or guru status.

........

See also

* grieving
* projection
* countertransference
* Parataxic distortion
* displacement

====================


http://www.google.com/search?num=30&...er&btnG=Search

The Stages Of Grief
A Normal Life Process; Five Stages Of Grief. 1. Denial and
Isolation. ... Anger. The grieving person may then be furious at
the person who inflicted the ...
http://www.memorialhospital.org/libr...ess-THE-3.html - 17k
- -------

Anger and the Grieving Process
Anger is but one of many emotional reactions to the painful
reality of death. It is important to recognize anger as a
natural, human response. ...
www.tcfcanada.net/articles/coping/anger.htm - 11k - -------

Grieving
Your primary task in dealing with anger, of course, is to
acknowledge and accept ... This is the most painful stage of the
grieving process, because it's ...
www.divorceinfo.com/grieving.htm - 35k - -------

Coping With Death, Grief, and Loss Handout
Time and support facilitate the grieving process, allowing an ...
Anger may result from feeling abandoned, occurring in cases of
loss through death. ...
www.uiowa.edu/~ucs/griefloss.html - 35k - -------

Grieving and Healing - 5 Steps to Help You Through the Grieving
..
In my practice as a therapist, I have counseled many people who
lost a loved one and worked through the grieving process.
Combining my own experience with ...
seniorliving.about.com/od/lifetransitionsaging/a/grieving.htm -
23k - -------

Grief - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While many who grieve are able to work through their loss
independently, accessing additional support from bereavement
professionals may promote the process ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grief - 66k - -------

The Grieving Process
The grieving process gives us time to reflect and find new
strength that ... Understanding more about grief and the grieving
process can help you heal, ...
http://www.hns.org/CenterforGriefHea...0/Default.aspx
- 19k - -------



====================

google Results about 1,480,000 for
transfer OR transference psychology OR psychological

http://www.google.com/search?num=30&...&btnG=Sear ch


PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
...all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
...Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?





Too bad it's 100% lies. But that's nothing new for mountain bikers, is
it?
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
  #9  
Old May 30th 08, 05:22 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Doug Bashford
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Default Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.


in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,
In HF1%j.13303$3j.11740@trnddc05
On Wed, 28 May 2008 00:27:19 GMT, Jeff Strickland said about:
Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.



"ShadowTek" wrote in message
...
At least he keeps using the same post name, which makes him easy to
filter out. I just don't understand why he keeps posting to this
newsgroup. Why not just target all the mountain biking groups, and
quite spamming all the non-bikers that browse the "backcountry" forum.


Why isn't it logical?
It seems to have a huge obsessive-compulsive
component as well.

Because his real agenda is not bikes at all, his real agenda is rubber on
dirt. If Mike had his way, the backcountry would be closed to any form of
human visitation. Mike wants you to go to the museum to see what nature
looks like, he opposes you actually going into a natural area to experience
it for yourself.

Mike would prefer you stand in front of a mural while a voice in the speaker
says, "imagine the tranquility of the sounds of birds singing, crickets
chirping, and the occasional large mammal passing by."


And oddly, anyplace where bikes can go is not
likely to be very wild anyway. Same goes for
parks, including National Parks...which is why
I tend to avoid them for a nature experience.

But parks and other concentrated rec areas do have
their place. ...for one thing they keep the wimps
out of the wild.


PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
....all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
....Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?





  #10  
Old May 30th 08, 05:37 AM posted to alt.mountain-bike,rec.bicycles.soc,rec.backcountry,ca.environment,sci.environment
Doug Bashford
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Posts: 26
Default Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.

said about:
Why Mike Vandeman REALLY hates bikers.


Excellent post Doug. I believe it has progressed to a dangerous point


I doubt that. Just because he acts like an asshole
doesn't mean he's dangerous.

over the years into a more sociopathic personality which can happen in
your past lies sublime.

THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY:


No such medically recognized term.
Seems to be a popular way of saying "asshole," tho.

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or
telling the truth about anything.


(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really
believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special
grace.


(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight
or
willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever
the problem, it is always someone else's fault.


(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.


(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their
lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence.
Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of
psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their
behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.


PURE Republicanism?? It's now clear.
Six years of PURE Republicanism - BOTH houses
AND the Prez. Pure as it gets.
So?
Are you better off now than seven years ago?
Are you proud with what they have done to
America and her reputation? ...To your reputation?
....all the sleaze, lies and bribery?
How about all the killing?
....Americans torture now? Proud?

If actions speak louder than rhetoric, then
name ONE good thing about Republicanism.
Just one.

Just one *real* thing.

Can't do it?
You have only feelsgood rhetoric?

So? Your Republicanism more like a bad habit then?





 




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