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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:53:04 GMT, Greg P. penned:
You and my "ball-and-chain" would really get along =( Whenever I ask for her opinion on politics, law, etc, her answer is "I'm a woman and my opinions are my own". But that's only when she's in a mood =p I hope not to cause offense, but your post saddens me a bit. You call your wife a "ball and chain" ... you use a frown to express your feelings about her opinions ... you previously lamented the fact that you were already married and therefore couldn't go after a woman like Penny ... Mind you, maybe you love your wife and are thrilled to be with her every day. If so, perhaps you should consider the impression your words leave on others. You certainly don't give the impression, to me, of a happily married man. I have no idea how to respond to your comparison of your wife to me. Granted, I don't know her, but I have absolutely never used the excuse "I am a woman" to get out of defending my views ... I don't mean to be a downer, but every so often I meet people who always refer to their spouses in slightly disparaging ways. They may mean it entirely in jest, but it certainly doesn't come across that way. (And for those of you guys who have said that Eric must be a lucky guy, here ya go -- this thread may cause you to reconsider =) I am indeed the master at over-analysis, and it does indeed drive Eric nuts!) -- monique My pointless ramblings: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/phorum/index.php?f=6 |
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:11:54 -0500, deluxe penned:
"Sheer entertainment value" doesn't count as a reason anymore? I'm so bored right now, I'm entertaining myself with Pete. So I noticed! Kind of weird to see a flamewar in a post about my parents ... heh ... -- monique My pointless ramblings: http://www.bounceswoosh.org/phorum/index.php?f=6 |
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"Monique Y. Herman" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 00:11:54 -0500, deluxe penned: "Sheer entertainment value" doesn't count as a reason anymore? I'm so bored right now, I'm entertaining myself with Pete. So I noticed! Kind of weird to see a flamewar in a post about my parents ... heh ... I hope he's having as much fun as I am. Living in south Louisiana, and dealing with storms (two last September), I know that feeling of concern. I'm glad all is well. |
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Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:53:04 GMT, Greg P. penned: You and my "ball-and-chain" would really get along =( Whenever I ask for her opinion on politics, law, etc, her answer is "I'm a woman and my opinions are my own". But that's only when she's in a mood =p I hope not to cause offense, but your post saddens me a bit. You call your wife a "ball and chain" ... you use a frown to express your feelings about her opinions ... you previously lamented the fact that you were already married and therefore couldn't go after a woman like Penny ... Mind you, maybe you love your wife and are thrilled to be with her every day. If so, perhaps you should consider the impression your words leave on others. You certainly don't give the impression, to me, of a happily married man. I have no idea how to respond to your comparison of your wife to me. Granted, I don't know her, but I have absolutely never used the excuse "I am a woman" to get out of defending my views ... I don't mean to be a downer, but every so often I meet people who always refer to their spouses in slightly disparaging ways. They may mean it entirely in jest, but it certainly doesn't come across that way. (And for those of you guys who have said that Eric must be a lucky guy, here ya go -- this thread may cause you to reconsider =) I am indeed the master at over-analysis, and it does indeed drive Eric nuts!) Good Lord... shut up and fetch me a beer, woman! |
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Good lord woman, you dissect all my words. shoo!
"Monique Y. Herman" wrote in message ... | On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:53:04 GMT, Greg P. penned: | You and my "ball-and-chain" would really get along =( | | Whenever I ask for her opinion on politics, law, etc, her answer is "I'm a | woman and my opinions are my own". But that's only when she's in a mood =p | | | I hope not to cause offense, but your post saddens me a bit. You call | your wife a "ball and chain" ... you use a frown to express your | feelings about her opinions ... you previously lamented the fact that | you were already married and therefore couldn't go after a woman like | Penny ... | | Mind you, maybe you love your wife and are thrilled to be with her every | day. If so, perhaps you should consider the impression your words leave | on others. You certainly don't give the impression, to me, of a happily | married man. | | I have no idea how to respond to your comparison of your wife to me. | Granted, I don't know her, but I have absolutely never used the excuse | "I am a woman" to get out of defending my views ... | | I don't mean to be a downer, but every so often I meet people who always | refer to their spouses in slightly disparaging ways. They may mean it | entirely in jest, but it certainly doesn't come across that way. | | | (And for those of you guys who have said that Eric must be a lucky guy, | here ya go -- this thread may cause you to reconsider =) I am indeed the | master at over-analysis, and it does indeed drive Eric nuts!) | | -- | monique | | My pointless ramblings: | http://www.bounceswoosh.org/phorum/index.php?f=6 |
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"MrSlantEye" wrote in message
... Monique Y. Herman wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:53:04 GMT, Greg P. penned: You and my "ball-and-chain" would really get along =( Whenever I ask for her opinion on politics, law, etc, her answer is "I'm a woman and my opinions are my own". But that's only when she's in a mood =p I hope not to cause offense, but your post saddens me a bit. You call your wife a "ball and chain" ... you use a frown to express your feelings about her opinions ... you previously lamented the fact that you were already married and therefore couldn't go after a woman like Penny ... Mind you, maybe you love your wife and are thrilled to be with her every day. If so, perhaps you should consider the impression your words leave on others. You certainly don't give the impression, to me, of a happily married man. I have no idea how to respond to your comparison of your wife to me. Granted, I don't know her, but I have absolutely never used the excuse "I am a woman" to get out of defending my views ... I don't mean to be a downer, but every so often I meet people who always refer to their spouses in slightly disparaging ways. They may mean it entirely in jest, but it certainly doesn't come across that way. (And for those of you guys who have said that Eric must be a lucky guy, here ya go -- this thread may cause you to reconsider =) I am indeed the master at over-analysis, and it does indeed drive Eric nuts!) Good Lord... shut up and fetch me a beer, woman! ROTFLMAO.....excellent MrSlantEye...excellent! -- Slacker - poor Eric ;^ 0 |
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Are you a feminist?
-- Slacker I like to consider myself an "individualist" ... Sorry for the cop-out answer, but ... I used to think "feminist" meant man-hater, and I know better than that now, but the definition of feminism is still pretty convoluted and I'm not sure I do agree with everything that feminism means ... If I understood my "philosophy of physics" class in college, feminism also means "the realization that people's backgrounds influence the way that they interpret data," and that sounds pretty true but I don't think has much to do with what most of us think of as "feminism." -- monique I had a feeling something was terribly wrong here. So much for Bomba's perfect chick ;^ 0 -- Slacker |
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Penny S wrote: I'm sorry but how does a woman teach boys to be men? ;-) |
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"Monique Y. Herman" wrote in message ...
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:42:56 GMT, Greg P. penned: Yes indeed. There is nothing to explain really, you have it all figured out. The same thing can be said about mothers and daughters. Most girls who are raised solely by masculine influence end up tom-boys, no? When my stepdaughter got her first *ahem* period and asked me about *ahem ahem* penis's, I turned to stone and told her that her mom would tell her all about it (which I made her do). I know that's a poor example, but generally to teach a sex on growing up (confidence, leadership, etc) one should be of the same sex (as their experience far exceeds that of the opposite's). Whoa whoa whoa. Are you saying that being a tom-boy is a bad thing? Anyway, I had both parents around as very strong influences as a child and throughout my life, and I was still a tom-boy who preferred hanging out with the guys. Sure, you said "most," but I'd *love* to see any statistical data to back up that claim. I've never heard of a study of such things. I was really trying to stay out of this but I'm weak. I think this little discussion has broken down into a question of who better to raise a child, a man or a woman. As the child of divorced parents I can tell you its a trick question. Boys need to spend time learning from men just as much as they need to spend time learning from women. The fact that women aren't allowed in Penny's son's scout troop isn't because women can't tie knots or start a fire. Its because boys need time to be around men to learn to be strong, self confident, efficient, and self reliant. At the same time, boys need to spend time with women to learn to be caring, nurturing and sensitive. These are all sweeping generalizations. Not every man fits the role model suited to teach boys to be men nor does every women represent the prototypical nuturer. In general, however, the system works and every child needs exposure to strong men AND women in order to become a well round person. Just my $.02 T |
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On 19 Sep 2003 06:13:00 -0700, Tom Walker
wrote: "Monique Y. Herman" wrote in message ... On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:42:56 GMT, Greg P. penned: Yes indeed. There is nothing to explain really, you have it all figured out. The same thing can be said about mothers and daughters. Most girls who are raised solely by masculine influence end up tom-boys, no? When my stepdaughter got her first *ahem* period and asked me about *ahem ahem* penis's, I turned to stone and told her that her mom would tell her all about it (which I made her do). I know that's a poor example, but generally to teach a sex on growing up (confidence, leadership, etc) one should be of the same sex (as their experience far exceeds that of the opposite's). Whoa whoa whoa. Are you saying that being a tom-boy is a bad thing? Anyway, I had both parents around as very strong influences as a child and throughout my life, and I was still a tom-boy who preferred hanging out with the guys. Sure, you said "most," but I'd *love* to see any statistical data to back up that claim. I've never heard of a study of such things. I was really trying to stay out of this but I'm weak. I think this little discussion has broken down into a question of who better to raise a child, a man or a woman. As the child of divorced parents I can tell you its a trick question. Boys need to spend time learning from men just as much as they need to spend time learning from women. The fact that women aren't allowed in Penny's son's scout troop isn't because women can't tie knots or start a fire. Its because boys need time to be around men to learn to be strong, self confident, efficient, and self reliant. I have to say that I think your last statement is totally wrong. There is no reason that boys need time around men to become any of the things you've suggested. I haven't spent much time around men (at least as a child), yet I believe I'm all of the things you've mentioned. I have a BSEE, MSEE, JD, can outcook most people (men or women), outclean most people (men or women) , have excellent finances and credit, etc. The only thing I have problems with is talking about most sports, like football, baseball, etc., because I like sports like tennis, biking, mountain biking. So, if a man is preoccupied with team sports, I can't talk to him. At the same time, boys need to spend time with women to learn to be caring, nurturing and sensitive. These are all sweeping generalizations. Not every man fits the role model suited to teach boys to be men nor does every women represent the prototypical nuturer. In general, however, the system works and every child needs exposure to strong men AND women in order to become a well round person. Just my $.02 T I also disagree that you have to be of the same sex to teach a child about sex. Granted, your view will come from your masculinity/femininity, but who cares? -- Bob M in CT Remove 'x.' to reply |
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