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Old July 27th 17, 03:15 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 7/26/2017 5:47 PM, Doug Landau wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 3:44:45 PM UTC-7, wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 6:43:00 PM UTC-4, wrote:
https://portland.craigslist.org/search/bik


https://www.google.com/search?q=alum...UQuw0IvQ MoAw


Is this some sort of joke?


Probably. Gene has an offbeat sense of humor.

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Old July 27th 17, 05:19 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Well yes and no. ... Ibin to Universal's. Warehouse: AAA N rode the Deschutes scheduled an animated film after working with Sam Hill"s Stonehenge supporting tourism

And report continuous physical attacks with direct associations from law and park.

The total physical n social environment. including Beattie, producing bicycling ... is reasonably highly unusual yet socially Darwinian.

NYC messenger services across the population spectrum in a place not very bike friendly

However, we expect conditions potentially capable of producing a small group of dedicated frames n groupo.

By profession n avocation JB is capable of sorting this to a conclusion. As with his journey into hub generators.

Happy trails ...
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Old July 27th 17, 03:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-07-26 11:07, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 10:23:58 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-26 09:31, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 8:55:05 AM UTC-7, Doug Landau
wrote:
Can we start speccing out equipment for Jay the way we do for
Jorge?

I'll start with this thing. Jay tell us again what frame size
you ride?

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik...230636448.html




Wow. That's a deal. I ride a 63cm in Cannondale. The OE Ksyrium
wheels are a non-starter. I couldn't keep them true. But I'd
buy that bike, and I was even in SF yesterday. Oh well.

I need two bikes, but both have been or are in the process of
being replaced. I splurged and sort of replaced my commuter with
a CF gravel bike for $1,600. at Western Bikeworks. An on-sale
Norco Search. I couldn't help myself. It's a bike I've always
liked. It's 105 level, which is more than fine -- and godbless
Norco for using the whole component group and not some FSA or
TruVativ crank or Tektro brakes. This is a fun bike and probably
too nice for a commuter, so who knows, I might buy a beater frame
and throw together a dead of winter commuter. Cannondale will
probably give me something as a replacement for the broken CX
frame. I just didn't want to wait to go through that process,
and I wanted a gravel bike anyway. Hey, keep the economy strong.
Bike sales are down. We have to do our part.


http://www.norco.com/bikes/road/adve...h-a-105-hydro/



Nice bike though 160/140mm rotors are IMO too wimpy. What always peeves
me and is one reason why I am sticking with my 35 year old steel
frame road bike is that manufacturers of "modern" bikes seem to
assume nobody has to carry anything. No rack attachment points.
Schlepping a laptop, water, food and other stuff in a backpack is a
real pain especially when it's over 100F out there and the ride is
mostly in the sun. When I took delivery of this full-custom road
bike in the early 80's the very first thing I did was to add lights
and a nice big rack. I made sure the frame I selected had
provisions for that.

I even have a full rack (almost all home-made) on my FS-MTB.
Stiffened so the panniers won't sway into the spoked even during
very rough rides. Plus now a top trunk. Detachable in case a
package has to be brought to Fedex along the way. The available
trunks can hold 1-1/2 gallons of water, food, prototype parts for
clients, a tool set and whatever else is needed.


They make bikes for that. You just don't own one. I can go down the
street an buy one. http://www.splendidcycles.com/
https://bikeportland.org/tag/cargo-bikes


Sure, but I meant a fast commuter, not a behemoth.


By the way, I bought the CF (not allow) Norco Search:
http://www.norco.com/bikes/road/adve.../search-c-105/


Interesting, Why did they drop the price so much versus list?


The Search alloy has rack mounts -- not the CF bike. The rotors are
plenty big enough for a gravel bike. The 140mm rotors on my
Cannondale CX bike were more than adequate.


I saw something in the back. Didn't look like a rack mount but if they
are that would be very commendable. You probably aren't a clyde if 140mm
rotors work.


I don't need a cargo bike. I want something fun to ride on gravel and
through the hills on the way home. If I found myself in need of a
rack, I'd buy a beater frane with rack mounts -- which I might do.


So you don't carry much back and forth? I did a valley trip yesterday.
Hot day and the extra water alone filled more than one pannier. On the
way back there are no fountains until 3mi before I am home.

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Old July 27th 17, 05:25 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 7/26/2017 9:31 AM, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 8:55:05 AM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote:
Can we start speccing out equipment for Jay the way we do for Jorge?

I'll start with this thing. Jay tell us again what frame size you ride?

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik...230636448.html


Wow. That's a deal. I ride a 63cm in Cannondale. The OE Ksyrium wheels are a non-starter. I couldn't keep them true. But I'd buy that bike, and I was even in SF yesterday. Oh well.

I need two bikes, but both have been or are in the process of being replaced. I splurged and sort of replaced my commuter with a CF gravel bike for $1,600. at Western Bikeworks. An on-sale Norco Search. I couldn't help myself. It's a bike I've always liked. It's 105 level, which is more than fine -- and godbless Norco for using the whole component group and not some FSA or TruVativ crank or Tektro brakes. This is a fun bike and probably too nice for a commuter, so who knows, I might buy a beater frame and throw together a dead of winter commuter. Cannondale will probably give me something as a replacement for the broken CX frame. I just didn't want to wait to go through that process, and I wanted a gravel bike anyway. Hey, keep the economy strong. Bike sales are down. We have to do our part.

My uber-bike to replace the smashed SuperSix is going to be an Emonda because my son loves his, and I do work for Trek, so they'll give me a deal on a great bike. I like dealing with the fine folks in Wisconsin. I have always gone with the US companies because I'm a krypto-nationalist, even if the production is done elsewhere (or a lot of it). I like long warranties. If someone gave me a Pinarello, however, I would not throw it out -- although I'm not hot on Italiano BBs.

-- Jay Beattie.


I saw someone with a great commuter bicycle a few weeks ago on Caltrain.
A Ritchey Breakaway frame, I think it was all 105, Brooks saddle, and a
Carradice bag. You need steel or titanium for a commute bicycle, with
hydraulic disc brakes.

A lot of people have been buying the titanium frames from 鈦郁工*股份有限公司|
in Taiwan and building up bikes from them, and they are the same
titanium frames that Bikesdirect has been using in their "Motobecane"
models.

63cm is hard though. The largest they have is 61cm.

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/motobecane/disc-brake-roadbikes/centuryelt-ti-discbrake-road.htm.
But they cheaped out, the crankset is not Ultegra. And of course you'd
want a steel fork on that.

Everyone around here is buying custom titanium bikes with Dura Ace
triples from Dean http://www.deanbikes.com/. No one is buying carbon
fiber or aluminum anymore.
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Old July 27th 17, 05:39 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Default New bike for Jay

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 7:56:30 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-26 11:07, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 10:23:58 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-26 09:31, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 8:55:05 AM UTC-7, Doug Landau
wrote:
Can we start speccing out equipment for Jay the way we do for
Jorge?

I'll start with this thing. Jay tell us again what frame size
you ride?

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik...230636448.html




Wow. That's a deal. I ride a 63cm in Cannondale. The OE Ksyrium
wheels are a non-starter. I couldn't keep them true. But I'd
buy that bike, and I was even in SF yesterday. Oh well.

I need two bikes, but both have been or are in the process of
being replaced. I splurged and sort of replaced my commuter with
a CF gravel bike for $1,600. at Western Bikeworks. An on-sale
Norco Search. I couldn't help myself. It's a bike I've always
liked. It's 105 level, which is more than fine -- and godbless
Norco for using the whole component group and not some FSA or
TruVativ crank or Tektro brakes. This is a fun bike and probably
too nice for a commuter, so who knows, I might buy a beater frame
and throw together a dead of winter commuter. Cannondale will
probably give me something as a replacement for the broken CX
frame. I just didn't want to wait to go through that process,
and I wanted a gravel bike anyway. Hey, keep the economy strong.
Bike sales are down. We have to do our part.


http://www.norco.com/bikes/road/adve...h-a-105-hydro/



Nice bike though 160/140mm rotors are IMO too wimpy. What always peeves
me and is one reason why I am sticking with my 35 year old steel
frame road bike is that manufacturers of "modern" bikes seem to
assume nobody has to carry anything. No rack attachment points.
Schlepping a laptop, water, food and other stuff in a backpack is a
real pain especially when it's over 100F out there and the ride is
mostly in the sun. When I took delivery of this full-custom road
bike in the early 80's the very first thing I did was to add lights
and a nice big rack. I made sure the frame I selected had
provisions for that.

I even have a full rack (almost all home-made) on my FS-MTB.
Stiffened so the panniers won't sway into the spoked even during
very rough rides. Plus now a top trunk. Detachable in case a
package has to be brought to Fedex along the way. The available
trunks can hold 1-1/2 gallons of water, food, prototype parts for
clients, a tool set and whatever else is needed.


They make bikes for that. You just don't own one. I can go down the
street an buy one. http://www.splendidcycles.com/
https://bikeportland.org/tag/cargo-bikes


Sure, but I meant a fast commuter, not a behemoth.


By the way, I bought the CF (not allow) Norco Search:
http://www.norco.com/bikes/road/adve.../search-c-105/


Interesting, Why did they drop the price so much versus list?


Western Bikeworks has great deals. I got a Garmin 520 bundle for my son at the Christmas in-store super-sale for about $275 USD. I like the people there, too. It's internet and bricks-and-mortar.


The Search alloy has rack mounts -- not the CF bike. The rotors are
plenty big enough for a gravel bike. The 140mm rotors on my
Cannondale CX bike were more than adequate.


I saw something in the back. Didn't look like a rack mount but if they
are that would be very commendable. You probably aren't a clyde if 140mm
rotors work.


Hmmm. My tandem had two cantis, and my wife and I weighed over 300 lbs. We never had problems stopping, although I did overheat the rims once coming down Rocky Point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NPqQptjbF0
Over the the 12 years I owned the CX bike, my weight ranged from 193-220lbs.. I'm closer to the bottom end again. I never had problems stopping on my CX bike with 140 rotors and mechanical discs unless I forgot to adjust the pads or they wore out on the ride. And I live in a hilly place.

I'm not doing 20 mile 10% descents on the way to work. Maybe the uber-gnarly steep roads in Cameron Park require 180mm rotors.


I don't need a cargo bike. I want something fun to ride on gravel and
through the hills on the way home. If I found myself in need of a
rack, I'd buy a beater frane with rack mounts -- which I might do.


So you don't carry much back and forth? I did a valley trip yesterday.
Hot day and the extra water alone filled more than one pannier. On the
way back there are no fountains until 3mi before I am home.


No, again, I don't need a cargo bike. And in a lifetime of riding, I've hauled water once -- riding across Wyoming in a place where it was 60 miles between towns. I rode from Seattle to Portland in a day with peak heat in the 90s and probably filled my bottles four times. No water bags. No racks. Just two water bottles that I filled every 50 miles. The distance from Cameron Park to Sacramento is 34 miles. If you need water bags for that, then you are a special person.

-- Jay Beattie.
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Old July 27th 17, 05:53 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 7/27/2017 9:39 AM, jbeattie wrote:

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rotors work.

Hmmm. My tandem had two cantis, and my wife and I weighed over 300 lbs. We never had problems stopping, although I did overheat the rims once coming down Rocky Point.


For touring in mountainous locations, on tandems, the common solution
was an Arai drum brake in the rear wheel set up with a drag control,
often a 3 speed twist grip. I had a spare wheel with the drum brake,
sold by Trek, but I think I only used it once. It was ridiculously
heavy. With the advent of disc brakes, it's not necessary anymore and
the Arai drum brake has been discontinued.
http://www.precisiontandems.com/arai.htm.
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Old July 27th 17, 06:35 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-07-27 09:39, jbeattie wrote:
On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 7:56:30 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-26 11:07, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 10:23:58 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote:
On 2017-07-26 09:31, jbeattie wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 8:55:05 AM UTC-7, Doug Landau
wrote:
Can we start speccing out equipment for Jay the way we do
for Jorge?

I'll start with this thing. Jay tell us again what frame
size you ride?

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik...230636448.html






Wow. That's a deal. I ride a 63cm in Cannondale. The OE Ksyrium
wheels are a non-starter. I couldn't keep them true. But
I'd buy that bike, and I was even in SF yesterday. Oh well.

I need two bikes, but both have been or are in the process
of being replaced. I splurged and sort of replaced my
commuter with a CF gravel bike for $1,600. at Western
Bikeworks. An on-sale Norco Search. I couldn't help myself.
It's a bike I've always liked. It's 105 level, which is more
than fine -- and godbless Norco for using the whole component
group and not some FSA or TruVativ crank or Tektro brakes.
This is a fun bike and probably too nice for a commuter, so
who knows, I might buy a beater frame and throw together a
dead of winter commuter. Cannondale will probably give me
something as a replacement for the broken CX frame. I just
didn't want to wait to go through that process, and I wanted
a gravel bike anyway. Hey, keep the economy strong. Bike
sales are down. We have to do our part.


http://www.norco.com/bikes/road/adve...h-a-105-hydro/





Nice bike though 160/140mm rotors are IMO too wimpy. What always peeves
me and is one reason why I am sticking with my 35 year old
steel frame road bike is that manufacturers of "modern" bikes
seem to assume nobody has to carry anything. No rack attachment
points. Schlepping a laptop, water, food and other stuff in a
backpack is a real pain especially when it's over 100F out
there and the ride is mostly in the sun. When I took delivery
of this full-custom road bike in the early 80's the very first
thing I did was to add lights and a nice big rack. I made sure
the frame I selected had provisions for that.

I even have a full rack (almost all home-made) on my FS-MTB.
Stiffened so the panniers won't sway into the spoked even
during very rough rides. Plus now a top trunk. Detachable in
case a package has to be brought to Fedex along the way. The
available trunks can hold 1-1/2 gallons of water, food,
prototype parts for clients, a tool set and whatever else is
needed.

They make bikes for that. You just don't own one. I can go down
the street an buy one. http://www.splendidcycles.com/
https://bikeportland.org/tag/cargo-bikes


Sure, but I meant a fast commuter, not a behemoth.


By the way, I bought the CF (not allow) Norco Search:
http://www.norco.com/bikes/road/adve.../search-c-105/




Interesting, Why did they drop the price so much versus list?

Western Bikeworks has great deals. I got a Garmin 520 bundle for my
son at the Christmas in-store super-sale for about $275 USD. I like
the people there, too. It's internet and bricks-and-mortar.


Lately I find many bike shops going brick&mortar, web site, plus EBay.
What puzzles me happens on a regular basis: I see a part such as a tire
I want on their web site and it's $20. Ok but that's plus shipping which
makes the whole deal a non-starter. Then I go on EBay, find the same
tire for $15, free shipping, same (!) store. Yet there they must pay a
hefty sales commission. Beats me why they do that. An example is
Bikewagon in Utah where I always got free ship on EBay but not direct.


The Search alloy has rack mounts -- not the CF bike. The rotors
are plenty big enough for a gravel bike. The 140mm rotors on my
Cannondale CX bike were more than adequate.


I saw something in the back. Didn't look like a rack mount but if
they are that would be very commendable. You probably aren't a
clyde if 140mm rotors work.


Hmmm. My tandem had two cantis, and my wife and I weighed over 300
lbs. We never had problems stopping, although I did overheat the
rims once coming down Rocky Point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NPqQptjbF0 Over the the 12 years I
owned the CX bike, my weight ranged from 193-220lbs. I'm closer to
the bottom end again. I never had problems stopping on my CX bike
with 140 rotors and mechanical discs unless I forgot to adjust the
pads or they wore out on the ride. And I live in a hilly place.

I'm not doing 20 mile 10% descents on the way to work. Maybe the
uber-gnarly steep roads in Cameron Park require 180mm rotors.



Not in Cameron Park which doesn't have long hills but in neighboring
areas. My MTB buddy weighs around 200lbs, his MTB has 8"/7" rotors, and
then it happened. Before the last sharp turn down a long descent he lost
his front brake.


I don't need a cargo bike. I want something fun to ride on gravel
and through the hills on the way home. If I found myself in need
of a rack, I'd buy a beater frane with rack mounts -- which I
might do.


So you don't carry much back and forth? I did a valley trip
yesterday. Hot day and the extra water alone filled more than one
pannier. On the way back there are no fountains until 3mi before I
am home.


No, again, I don't need a cargo bike. And in a lifetime of riding,
I've hauled water once -- riding across Wyoming in a place where it
was 60 miles between towns. I rode from Seattle to Portland in a day
with peak heat in the 90s and probably filled my bottles four times.
No water bags. No racks. Just two water bottles that I filled every
50 miles. The distance from Cameron Park to Sacramento is 34 miles.
If you need water bags for that, then you are a special person.


Yeah, I sweat a lot which I inherited from my dad. However, riding tens
of miles in 100F weather with just a bottle or two is not healthy for
anyone unless you can fill up many times on the way. Any reputable
sports physician would tell you the same. So does the army.

I generally carry three 28oz bottles plus one or two 17oz electrolyte
ones. On long MTB rides with no safe drinking water source I carry up to
1-1/2 gallons total. On those rides I often meet people, mostly hikers,
with serious signs of dehydration. Some of my water occasionally goes to
others.

The topper was a guy in Yosemite Park who seriously had planned to hike
up from the valley to the top of half dome and back, carrying little
water and no food. IIRC he had a couple of small bottles which were all
empty by then. We found him collapsed in bushes near the trail shortly
before you get to the ropes. If I hadn't gazed out into the nature right
there I wouldn't even have seen him and this guy was in major trouble.
Similar for a Chinese woman in Grand Canyon. And on and on.

--
Regards, Joerg

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Old July 27th 17, 06:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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I know 5-6 fast commuters but its expensive ...

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Old July 27th 17, 06:56 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 2017-07-27 10:50, wrote:
I know 5-6 fast commuters but its expensive ...


Like this?

https://corporatejetinvestor.com/wp-.../Falcon_8X.jpg

--
Regards, Joerg

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Old July 27th 17, 07:14 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Beattie bought ?

http://www.norco.com/bikes/road/adve...h-a-105-hydro/

you’re gaining gravel stability but losing straight ahead power to round the stumps geometry

My Redline trekker looks like

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...c5621e7447.jpg

n itsa complete zero straight ahead.


JB drinks chlorinated water.

Over 100 miles at 90 degrees this north desert african consumes 3+ quarts after hydrating the night before
 




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