Looking at Armstrong

It is Novitzky, however who has the most scope and has continued his
pressure on European authorities to get access to past drug tests
undertaken while Armstrong was in his peek.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arms...-case-is-solid

-ilan

On 5/11/2011 2:51 AM, ilan wrote:
It is Novitzky, however who has the most scope and has continued his
pressure on European authorities to get access to past drug tests
undertaken while Armstrong was in his peek.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arms...-case-is-solid

-ilan

Jesus Christ, you've maligned cyclingnews by quoting them verbatim.

While Armstrong was peeking at whom, we are left to wonder.

On May 11, 2:51*am, ilan wrote:
*It is Novitzky, however who has the most scope and has continued his
pressure on European authorities to get access to past drug tests
undertaken while Armstrong was in his peek.http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/arms...-progressing-b...

-ilan

The way this investigation is going, the sentence may be to take away
LA's social security. Maybe after they're done with LA, they can go
after Pete Rose again.

On May 11, 9:43*pm, Brad Anders wrote:
On May 11, 2:51*am, ilan wrote:


The way this investigation is going, the sentence may be to take away
LA's social security. Maybe after they're done with LA, they can go
after Pete Rose again.

Brad,
Lance Armstrong was a velopig, like Johan "The Hog" Bruyneel, and
Thomas Weisel.
All three were completely corrupt, sucking at the public taxpayer
trough: the United States Postal Service,
USPS was a tax payer funded government entity, which paid for Weisel's
doping program that enabled a large mediocre classics rider named
Lance Armstrong to give himself cancer, and then move on to win 7
DdF's and create LIVESTRONG, another Weisel style financial empire.
This is why the Weisel created a tower of cards will eventually come
falling down:
In a recession, you should not spend taxpayers money on dope, which is
what
USPS did for money years.
Google a guy name Loren Smith - the USPS marketing manager when USPS
initially sponsored Weisel's team. He was a friend of Weisel's who
also created
Dave Chauner's THRESHOLD SPORTS and STAMPS.COM, a company that
Weisel underwrote and then upgraded, in exchange for Loren Smith's
cooperation.
That is the whole story.
This is the crux of the Novitsky investigation. It has nothing to do
with doping, and everything to do with
spending taxpayers money on dope. It's a IRS investigation, and it's a
money trail.
WWW.VELOPORK.COM
Thanks,
Mike Schatzman

IMO, US Postal got exactly what they paid for, 7 TdF titles against a
peloton of dopers. The fact that they, too, had to dope to do it isn't
surprising, and anyone who would have vetted the sponsorship of a pro
cycling team for a multi-billion dollar corporation like the USPS
(e.g. a whole room full of lawyers a lot smarter than most who creep
around here) knew damn well what kind of sport they were buying into.
To claim a decade later that this somehow constituted "fraud" against
the US taxpayer is ridiculous and disingenuous. The conviction of LA/
Weisel/Bruyneel today in the US will have virtually no impact on the
doping practices of a sport that largely contested at a pro level in
Europe. I'd rather see the FDA using their investigative wing working
on issues that are far more important to the US consumer, such as food
safety.

On May 12, 2:01*am, Mike wrote:

WWW.VELOPORK.COM

I guess all other URL names have been taken. We're down to the dregs.

How's the reformed prostitute business going?

R

On 5/12/2011 6:41 PM, Brad Anders wrote:
IMO, US Postal got exactly what they paid for, 7 TdF titles against a
peloton of dopers. The fact that they, too, had to dope to do it isn't
surprising, and anyone who would have vetted the sponsorship of a pro
cycling team for a multi-billion dollar corporation like the USPS
(e.g. a whole room full of lawyers a lot smarter than most who creep
around here) knew damn well what kind of sport they were buying into.
To claim a decade later that this somehow constituted "fraud" against
the US taxpayer is ridiculous and disingenuous. The conviction of LA/
Weisel/Bruyneel today in the US will have virtually no impact on the
doping practices of a sport that largely contested at a pro level in
Europe. I'd rather see the FDA using their investigative wing working
on issues that are far more important to the US consumer, such as food
safety.

You'd be surprised how many people think this is a doping
case. And that doping to win a bike race is illegal.

I'm guessing I'm the only one here with a medal from elite
nationals in a team event with a teammate that makes his
living selling dope (very openly) over the internet. He
doesn't sell the finished product of course. He sells raw
materials (also used in cleaning products) and information.

The Feds that some are convinced will turn LANCE inside out
busted this guy not once but twice. After twice failing to
get a conviction, now they just leave him the hell alone.

And so it will be for LANCE. Eventually.

Fred Flintstein

On 5/12/2011 7:52 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:

You'd be surprised how many people think this is a doping
case. And that doping to win a bike race is illegal.

It's bigger than that. Stuff I like is both moral and legal. Stuff I
don't like is neither. That's the way many people view these things.

On May 13, 1:00*am, Substance McGravitas wrote:
On 5/12/2011 7:52 PM, Fred Flintstein wrote:

You'd be surprised how many people think this is a doping
case. And that doping to win a bike race is illegal.

It's bigger than that. Stuff I like is both moral and legal. Stuff I
don't like is neither. That's the way many people view these things.

How do you feel about stuff that is moral but not legal, or legal but
not moral? Like a legal eagle omelet with morel mushrooms - sounds
tasty, but would you eat it?

R

On May 12, 5:41*pm, Brad Anders wrote:
IMO, US Postal got exactly what they paid for, 7 TdF titles against a
peloton of dopers. The fact that they, too, had to dope to do it isn't
surprising, and anyone who would have vetted the sponsorship of a pro
cycling team for a multi-billion dollar corporation like the USPS
(e.g. a whole room full of lawyers a lot smarter than most who creep
around here) knew damn well what kind of sport they were buying into.
To claim a decade later that this somehow constituted "fraud" against
the US taxpayer is ridiculous and disingenuous. The conviction of LA/
Weisel/Bruyneel today in the US will have virtually no impact on the
doping practices of a sport that largely contested at a pro level in
Europe. I'd rather see the FDA using their investigative wing working
on issues that are far more important to the US consumer, such as food
safety.

Brad,
You are right. The people involved in the USPS sponsorship - like
Weisel and Loren Smith - are very proud of what they achieved, just
read Weisel's autobiography (nobody else did).
And I guess in many ways, in the ways you described, they are
completely right.
They were the winners. Ullrich and Mayo and the rest were zero sum
"losers".
But this isn't about changing pro cycling - it's about recognizing
CORRUPTION when we see it. It might take ten years to come out, but
when it does we should call it what it is - lying, stealing and
cheating.
They need to be called out and prosecuted so maybe it won't happen
again in the future. And then there will be MORE MONEY to invest in
food safety, and not in fake champions and FAKE VELODROMES.
Mike