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On 4/13/2018 5:27 PM, AMuzi wrote:
snip Anyone ever charged with felon in possession or other crimes of illegal firearms in Chicago? Almost never, despite strict, perhaps unconstitutional, barriers against the law abiding citizens defending themselves. Actually a lot, but keep repeating what your NRA handlers tell you to say. https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/felony-weapon-cases-up-43-percent-in-2017-county-data-shows/ |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:55:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote:
On 4/13/2018 11:57 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:29:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Video is dramatic. snip my blather Out here in the real world, every solution brings its own new problems: https://nltimes.nl/2018/04/13/dutch-...fic-assoc-says not just in Minnesota either! Some of that is evident on the local bike trails here. People in tri-bike training mode on the aero, road race training mode, a very few e-bikes. The speed limit on most of the trails is 10 mph, if you're going faster you're supposed to be in the street (although quite a few miles of trails have no adjacent street). So with that, and with the 8-mph-four-abreast riders and the wobbly drunks and the wobbly little 'uns, there are frequently frayed tempers and harsh words on the not-so-Minnesota-nice trails. My firsthand experience of last summer is one I hope to never repeat! |
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On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 11:41:04 PM UTC-4, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:55:40 -0500, AMuzi wrote: On 4/13/2018 11:57 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 12 Apr 2018 08:29:50 -0500, AMuzi wrote: Video is dramatic. snip my blather Out here in the real world, every solution brings its own new problems: https://nltimes.nl/2018/04/13/dutch-...fic-assoc-says not just in Minnesota either! Some of that is evident on the local bike trails here. People in tri-bike training mode on the aero, road race training mode, a very few e-bikes. The speed limit on most of the trails is 10 mph, if you're going faster you're supposed to be in the street (although quite a few miles of trails have no adjacent street). So with that, and with the 8-mph-four-abreast riders and the wobbly drunks and the wobbly little 'uns, there are frequently frayed tempers and harsh words on the not-so-Minnesota-nice trails. My firsthand experience of last summer is one I hope to never repeat! I was at a public meeting recently where a person who walks on a local MUP (a wide one, actually a roadway that was closed) asked if there could be painted stripes to separate peds from cyclists, because the cyclists often pass too closely. The officials who were present nodded thoughtfully and said they'd consider it. (I doubt they really will.) The bicyclists who were present said nothing. But we know that peds are at fault as often as cyclists. Some walk close to the edge, but some walk almost on the painted center line, meaning it's tricky to choose which side to pass. Many have earbuds and are thus functionally deaf. Some walk four or five abreast. Many have dogs on long leashes. Many change direction suddenly and without warning. But there is no way of imposing orderly behavior on pedestrians, and I don't believe we should try. I figure walking is the ultimate in "grandfathered" behavior. The mistake here is reckoning that cyclists and peds will mix easily and well. And I recognize the tempting analogy with cars & bikes. But segregated ped facilities can work, largely because peds can easily see 360 degrees and can stop or turn instantaneously. Bikes have much more limited maneuverability and much longer stopping distances, not to mention far higher potential speeds. Bikes must be treated as vehicles; and once that happens, bike segregation can't work well where there are intersections, unless immense fortunes are spent on exotic designs, or unless the culture accepts serious travel delay from dedicated green light phases. Most of what I wrote is about peds vs. bikes, but it's true that some of the same conflicts exist between faster and slower cyclists. IME the slower ones are the least predictable. But those are the same ones who would be least likely, or least capable of, obeying stricter rules. Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along?" Sadly, I'm not optimistic. - Frank Krygowski |
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 09:56:56 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
wrote: Rodney King said "Can't we all just get along?" Sadly, I'm not optimistic. If we could, we would. Peace is easier and cheaper than conflict. As one of the vets in Ken Burns's "Vietnam" documentary series pointed out, "we're not the dominant species on this planet because we're nice." |
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