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B A R R Y B U R wrote:
On 02 Oct 2003 02:01:32 GMT, (MTBScottie) wrote: Kona does. All Giant uses are the damn $$$$ symbols. Giant probably outsells Kona 3-1. They're doing something right. Barry I'm just glad I bought a new giant last year, looking at the cataloge it will be a few years before I buy another. First GT, Then Schwin now Giant Pretty soon you will have to by a custom bike to get what you want -- -------------------------- Posted via cyclingforums.com http://www.cyclingforums.com |
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Anthony Sloan said...
And once you do know better, you realize that they stil make a very decent bike. I had two successive models of NRS Air, and quite liked it. One of the better full suspension bikes I've ridden. And I still quite like my TCR team. A I'm not trying to knock Giant, but the comment I responded to inferred that because they sell more they must be better. And that just doesn't hold water. Then there is that whole urban bike myth that there are only 3 frame makers in the whole world, with Giant being the main one. I wonder how many Giants have been sold by goofy bike shop employees spinning that yarn. But I do think they are as worthy as the other big names. I am especially impressed by the fact that they seem to avoid using house branded parts. That would be a big selling point for me if I was looking for a complete bike. |
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"JD" wrote in message m... B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote in message . .. On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 14:27:46 GMT, Super Slinky wrote: Absolutely. They have the 'bigger must be better' thing going for them to impress those who don't know better. Have you ever ridden a Giant? Compare it value and quality wise with any other mass-produced ride at the same price point. They do a great job. Mountain biking is not about "value", Barry. It's about riding bicycles. snip That's all fine and dandy, but how many other bikes have these sheep ridden? Their "experience" is limited unless they have ridden a real quality handbuilt mountain bike because cookie cutters are no match. For most people 'value' has to fit into the equation somewhere, doesn't it? If your comparison was applied to cars, people would have limited experience unless they have driven a Ferrari. But not everyone can afford a Ferrari or find one they're allowed to test drive. Surely there's some merit in a cookie-cutter? -- Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.) |
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"Super Slinky" wrote in message t... Absolutely. They have the 'bigger must be better' thing going for them to impress those who don't know better. They've got competition of course. So they must be doing something right to impress so many sales people around the world. I'm sure PR and marketing hype factor into it and being a big company certainly helps with that. But at the end of the day if enough people felt that Giant bikes were crap you'd hear more bad things about them. JD'd be on them like he's all over Trek if nothingelse :-) -- Westie (Replace 'invalid' with 'yahoo' when replying.) |
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B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote in message . ..
On 2 Oct 2003 11:04:30 -0700, (JD) wrote: Mountain biking is not about "value", Barry. It's about riding bicycles. No way! So THAT'S what I've been missing all this time. G That's all fine and dandy, but how many other bikes have these sheep ridden? Their "experience" is limited unless they have ridden a real quality handbuilt mountain bike because cookie cutters are no match. Plenty of them, including myself, have ridden many hand built machines. I'd like to see a percentage in those giant worshipers who actually have. My guess is that it would be pretty small. I've ridden Seven, Ibis, Litespeed, IF, ClifCat, just to name a few. They are great to ride, touch and look at. The frames are beautifully made, some approach musical instrument quality. Then you know. However, I don't think a rider has to spend $3k on a frame to get a great riding bicycle. I will say that boutique hard tails ride nicer than any cookie cutter frame I've ridden. I don't think one needs to spend $3k either. Carl Strong makes excellent custom steel hardtail frames for much less than $3k. I can't say the same for full bouncers. You haven't ridden enough or the right botique boingers then. I'd never trust anything less than a full DH cookie cutter bike for XC riding because every XC cookie cutter bike I have ridden has been like riding a rubber band. The Titus, Ventana, Ellsworth (yeah even them), and Turner FS bikes I have ridden were easily a cut above the cookie junkers. JD |
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On Fri, 03 Oct 2003 05:34:27 GMT, Super Slinky
wrote: I'm not trying to knock Giant, but the comment I responded to inferred that because they sell more they must be better. Who said that? I said "they outsold Kona 3-1 so they must be doing something right", in relation to the fact that Giant dosen't put prices on the web. This was simply meant to infer that publishing a price on the web, vs. a price range, as Giant does dosen't necessarily drive away business. Kona makes some nice bikes for the money, as does Giant. Barry |
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Westie said...
For most people 'value' has to fit into the equation somewhere, doesn't it? If your comparison was applied to cars, people would have limited experience unless they have driven a Ferrari. But not everyone can afford a Ferrari or find one they're allowed to test drive. Surely there's some merit in a cookie-cutter? But the price difference between the nicer mass produced bikes and building up a boutique frame isn't that great. All of the Giant VT line lists for more than $2000 with the VT 1 being $3000 or more. I could have built a Titus Racer-X with a Chris King wheelset, Fox Vanilla, Hayes hydraulics, Thompson stem and seat post and the rest XT for $3200. The only things not included were the pedals and saddle. Giant makes a nice bike, but I would take that setup over anything offered by the big names. |
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Subject: "Giant" dissapointment
From: Super Slinky Date: 10/3/2003 10:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: Westie said... For most people 'value' has to fit into the equation somewhere, doesn't it? If your comparison was applied to cars, people would have limited experience unless they have driven a Ferrari. But not everyone can afford a Ferrari or find one they're allowed to test drive. Surely there's some merit in a cookie-cutter? But the price difference between the nicer mass produced bikes and building up a boutique frame isn't that great. All of the Giant VT line lists for more than $2000 with the VT 1 being $3000 or more. Thanks for stating that, because that's what I'm really dissapointed with. Like I said, the Kona Dawgmatic, Kona Coiler, Kikapu Deluxe and Dawg are all under $2000 and just as well if not better spec'd then the Giant VT's |
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"MTBScottie" wrote in message
... | Giant finally jumped in line with many of the other manufacturers and has | released it's 2004 lineup. As stated by Nelson, alot of the so called "spring | collection bikes" have carried over to 2004. The VT does now indeed have a | "3", and the NRS "3" is now gone. | | Not sure what there reasons are for some of their lineup moves, but I've been | left a bit dissapointed. We can't figure out exactly what they're up to. The 2003 NRS2 was a very popular bike and the NRS3 was a good price point. Combining the two creates a bike too expensive to be like the old 3 and poorly equipped compared to the old 2. They're also building back to shoving disc brakes down our throats with hard tails, but that's another story. --- __o _`\(,_ Cycling is life, (_)/ (_) all the rest, just details. The Nelson Paradigm =^o.o^= http://intergalax.com "Aha! Advancing on me only brings you closer to the cold wrath that is my spork!" - Bucky the Katt Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
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On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 08:44:55 -0400, "The Nelson Paradigm"
wrote: They're also building back to shoving disc brakes down our throats with hard tails, but that's another story. Here comes Barry Sanders. =8^) Barry |
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