Riis out of the Tour record books

"Jeff Jones" wrote in message
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On Jun 7, 4:05 pm, wrote:
I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
records despite his confession 5 years ago.

Let's just erase all the records, otherwise they'll look pretty
patchy.


Excellent idea. Let's begin to wipe out Coppi: that makes Bartali 14 times
virtual winner.


According to http://cyclisme.dopage.free.fr/courses/tdf-palmares.htm,
all but *three* Tour winners since 1949 have been implicated in doping
related activity programs at some point during their careers.

The clean winners:

Federico Bahamontes
Lucien Van Impe
Greg LeMond

Not having been implicated in doping affairs certainly doesn't mean being
"clean". For instance, among the names printed in black are well-known users
as Robic, Ockers, Brankart, Fritz Schaer (nicknamed "Pillen-Fritz"), etc.

Benjo

"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message
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On Jun 7, 9:16 am, " wrote:
On Jun 7, 10:05 am, wrote:

I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
records despite his confession 5 years ago.

Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
carefully!)

(Maybe Poulidor can finally win a Tour!?!?)

Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
inflicted black eye for cycling?

Contrast with USA football:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=195




Dumbass -


There's not a lot the NFL can do about that situation. Dude was
acquitted in the criminal trial.

Add to that they don't want to start playing the role of moral
arbiter, otherwise there's a lot of other guys they'd have to boot
out. Unlike cycling, they understand that sort of attention is bad for
business. Better to let sleeping dogs lie.

That's a fairly jackass thing for the TdF organizers to do. Why
haven't they taken Anquetil's name off?


Simple. The first anti-doping rules are from 1965. Anquetil's last win in
1964.

Benjo

wrote in message
ps.com...
I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
records despite his confession 5 years ago.


Completely ridiculous. Wiping out poor Riis suggests that his competitors or
the winners of the other Tours didn't use doping, which of course is
nonsense.

Benjo

On Jun 7, 5:10 pm, "benjo maso" wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...

I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
records despite his confession 5 years ago.

Completely ridiculous. Wiping out poor Riis suggests that his competitors or
the winners of the other Tours didn't use doping, which of course is
nonsense.

Benjo

When humans start competing over who's the most morally outraged, it
seems like they also compete to reach the level of absolute imbecile
first.
Bill C

In article
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,
RicodJour wrote:

On Jun 7, 12:16 pm, " wrote:

Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
inflicted black eye for cycling?

It might start looking like a censored letter coming out of a prison
camp.

More to the point, what black eye? That's so negative. Newspeak
would refer to Riis as the Tour's 1996 unchampion.

It's all double plus good to me.

He could legally change his name to
"The cyclist formerly known as the 1996 TdF champion."

--
Michael Press

On Jun 7, 11:05 pm, "benjo maso" wrote:
"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message

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On Jun 7, 9:16 am, " wrote:
On Jun 7, 10:05 am, wrote:

I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
records despite his confession 5 years ago.

Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
carefully!)

(Maybe Poulidor can finally win a Tour!?!?)

Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
inflicted black eye for cycling?

Contrast with USA football:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=195

Dumbass -

There's not a lot the NFL can do about that situation. Dude was
acquitted in the criminal trial.

Add to that they don't want to start playing the role of moral
arbiter, otherwise there's a lot of other guys they'd have to boot
out. Unlike cycling, they understand that sort of attention is bad for
business. Better to let sleeping dogs lie.

That's a fairly jackass thing for the TdF organizers to do. Why
haven't they taken Anquetil's name off?

Simple. The first anti-doping rules are from 1965. Anquetil's last win in
1964.

Benjo

Yes, but Thevenet admitted doping, so why didn't they take his name
off?

-ilan

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On Jun 7, 11:05 pm, "benjo maso" wrote:
"Kurgan Gringioni" wrote in message

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On Jun 7, 9:16 am, " wrote:
On Jun 7, 10:05 am, wrote:

I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off
their
record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too.
I
wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
records despite his confession 5 years ago.

Which doper gets to be the winner? (Choose your country of birth
carefully!)

(Maybe Poulidor can finally win a Tour!?!?)

Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
inflicted black eye for cycling?

Contrast with USA football:

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=195

Dumbass -

There's not a lot the NFL can do about that situation. Dude was
acquitted in the criminal trial.

Add to that they don't want to start playing the role of moral
arbiter, otherwise there's a lot of other guys they'd have to boot
out. Unlike cycling, they understand that sort of attention is bad for
business. Better to let sleeping dogs lie.

That's a fairly jackass thing for the TdF organizers to do. Why
haven't they taken Anquetil's name off?

Simple. The first anti-doping rules are from 1965. Anquetil's last win in
1964.

Benjo

Yes, but Thevenet admitted doping, so why didn't they take his name
off?


Perhaps they think it's a bit late. After all, he confessed almost 30 years
ago ... And in those days nobody wasn't so crazy or obsessed to suggest that
his name should be removed. .

Benjo

On Jun 7, 3:29 pm, Bill C wrote:

When humans start competing over who's the most morally outraged, it
seems like they also compete to reach the level of absolute imbecile
first.

Democrats are chickens. Republicans are eggs.

Who is Riis?

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:02:01 GMT, Michael Press wrote:

In article
s.com
,
RicodJour wrote:

On Jun 7, 12:16 pm, " wrote:

Yo, blanks in the official record books. What will be the next self-
inflicted black eye for cycling?

It might start looking like a censored letter coming out of a prison
camp.

More to the point, what black eye? That's so negative. Newspeak
would refer to Riis as the Tour's 1996 unchampion.

It's all double plus good to me.

He could legally change his name to
"The cyclist formerly known as the 1996 TdF champion."

But what about the pictures?

Can't just blot out his face, right. That'd look silly. And if they airbrushed
him out completely then there just wouldn't be a picture of the race winner at
all. All the podium shots would look silly with someone missing. The only thing
to do is choose or create a virtual face for the virtual winner.

Ron

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:29:37 -0700, Bill C wrote:

On Jun 7, 5:10 pm, "benjo maso" wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...

I see that the Tour de France organisers have wiped Riis win off their
record. Apparently, they are thinking of removing Zabel's name too. I
wonder if they will ever get to Virenque, who has remained in their
records despite his confession 5 years ago.

Completely ridiculous. Wiping out poor Riis suggests that his competitors or
the winners of the other Tours didn't use doping, which of course is
nonsense.

Benjo

When humans start competing over who's the most morally outraged, it
seems like they also compete to reach the level of absolute imbecile
first.
Bill C

I can almost understand them wanting to make such a gesture, almost. What is
mind boggling is that they seem to think this is somehow good for the sport and
the Tour. It might teach everybody to just sit still and STFU about doping in
the past. Obviously there's no reward in it.

The record is the record, a chronologically ordered account of events. There's
plenty of room for footnotes and you can have all the asterisks and daggers and
double daggers and hemisemidemidaggers you can use.

Ron