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M Wicks wrote:
On May 17, 3:00 pm, Simon Mason wrote: On May 17, 9:00 am, Peter Keller wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2012 23:14:08 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote: WayPoint considered Wed, 16 May 2012 14:10:47 +1000 the perfect time to write: On 16/05/2012 2:06 PM, Old Bloke wrote: Some boring and irrelevant junk from the pair of them. Ain't killfiles a wonderful thing! Good job, Peter otherwise you would not wind them up as much as you are doing. So why do you tell me not to 'feed the trolls'? Especially when you keep deliberately winding them up with your subject changes. Consistency and coordination is needed if we are to take this group back. Judith's continued attacks on you are disgusting, and I hope that the police will deal with that harassment soon, but it must be said that you are encouraging more than discouraging her. We have to start being smarter, more careful and more self-disciplined if we are to fend off these no-life idiots. While it is tempting to try to derail the trolls' threads and to laugh at them, I believe that this gives us short-term satisfaction at the expense of the long-term stability of uk.rec.cycling. Unfortunately fighting fire with fire has been proven not to work. So we need to acknowledge that a change of approach is needed. We know that we are right about all these issues and that the trolls are wrong. So instead of stooping to their level and 'getting them back' and trying to punish them for being such a pain, I think it is best to drop the 'killfile, disrupt and snipe' approach in favour of fully addressing the 'points' they make, dismantling them, and showing how they are incorrect. They are so argumentative that they will not be able to resist defending their preposterous 'arguments', and once they try to do that, we can beat them with well-reasoned logic, because we are right and they are wrong. We just need to stay calm, not rise to the bait, and show exactly how they are wrong by reasoning the issues out, each and every time. Eventually the trolls will get bored of being beaten and will go and pick on a less robust group (or even do something constructive for a change). In any case, Simon, you may disagree with the above, but I think you need to acknowledge that your way of dealing with the trolls is not the only valid one. For a long time, you engaged with them, and did so very well. Why have you now changed your approach? And can you honestly say it's working? Have any of the trolls drifted away since you started changing subjects and killfiling them? I do think that refusing to reply to these people gives them a bit of an open goal, in that they can claim that you are doing that because you know you have lost the argument. We know that isn't true of course, but to some it may seem to be. Anyway, I will continue replying to the trolls when I see fit, and pointing out the many flaws in their assertions. If you do not want to do that then that is up to you, but I think it is a bit arrogant for you to simply assume that your current approach is the best way of dealing with the trolls, and to 'instruct' me in a fairly abrupt way to follow suit. I will not. Dealing with such determined trolls is pretty difficult, and no one approach has been shown to be best in my opinion. But if anything, it has been shown that proclaiming that you don't read the trolls' posts, changing subject lines in their threads, and even making unprovoked attacks on them sometimes has failed to accomplish anything useful. So I would like it if we could all make a concerted effort to challenge these lunatics' unfounded assertions on the grounds of reason, every time they are made, and simply keep on going and give them nowhere to run. In the end, I am convinced that this will work if we all pull together and keep at it. The trolls will not be able to stand it. It was when Simon kept losing arguments that he decided I am a troll, so I don't see him being too keen on that tack. It is Simon that has poured out as much unnecessary abuse as anyone else , so he really only has himself to blame for that. It is Simon that kept on posting about his holidays and completely irrelevant stuff that made so many people take the mick out of him. etc. etc. |
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On May 17, 5:06*pm, M Wicks wrote:
Anyway, I will continue replying to the trolls when I see fit, and pointing out the many flaws in their assertions. If you do not want to do that then that is up to you, but I think it is a bit arrogant for you to simply assume that your current approach is the best way of dealing with the trolls, and to 'instruct' me in a fairly abrupt way to follow suit. I will not. Fine - but don't say that I didn't warn you. -- Simon Mason |
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 07:00:28 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason
wrote via the Hutchinson 3G service as BP have banned him from using their systems:: On May 17, 9:00*am, Peter Keller wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2012 23:14:08 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote: WayPoint considered Wed, 16 May 2012 14:10:47 +1000 the perfect time to write: On 16/05/2012 2:06 PM, Old Bloke wrote: Some boring and irrelevant junk from the pair of them. Ain't killfiles a wonderful thing! Good job, Peter otherwise you would not wind them up as much as you are doing. Fascinating. Just what makes you think that Keller winds anyone up? He is just a silly old sod - who makes you look bright. -- Simon Mason used to post from BP Chemicals where he works. He repeatedly said that he was wasting BP's time; and not his own time - like other posters were. After the BP AGM in April 2012 Mason suddenly stopped posting from a BP IP address. People have asked why - but he won't say :-) |
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On May 17, 5:06*pm, M Wicks wrote:
So I would like it if we could all make a concerted effort to challenge these lunatics' unfounded assertions on the grounds of reason, every time they are made, and simply keep on going and give them nowhere to run. In the end, I am convinced that this will work if we all pull together and keep at it. The trolls will not be able to stand it. Good luck, but if you check back at the last six months of my new campaign you will see that all troll success has been nullified. If you engage with them you will have to have a much thicker skin than the one you have shown so far, but it is your call. I will continue to do what I am doing, but I will not be doing any trollbusting from 2-23 June and you will then see what happens to the group. On the 24th I will resume and then you will be able to tell the difference. -- Simon Mason |
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 09:06:30 -0700 (PDT), M Wicks wrote:
On May 17, 3:00*pm, Simon Mason wrote: On May 17, 9:00*am, Peter Keller wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2012 23:14:08 +0100, Phil W Lee wrote: WayPoint considered Wed, 16 May 2012 14:10:47 +1000 the perfect time to write: On 16/05/2012 2:06 PM, Old Bloke wrote: Some boring and irrelevant junk from the pair of them. Ain't killfiles a wonderful thing! Good job, Peter otherwise you would not wind them up as much as you are doing. So why do you tell me not to 'feed the trolls'? Especially when you keep deliberately winding them up with your subject changes. Consistency and coordination is needed if we are to take this group back. Judith's continued attacks on you are disgusting, and I hope that the police will deal with that harassment soon, but it must be said that you are encouraging more than discouraging her. We have to start being smarter, more careful and more self-disciplined if we are to fend off these no-life idiots. While it is tempting to try to derail the trolls' threads and to laugh at them, I believe that this gives us short-term satisfaction at the expense of the long-term stability of uk.rec.cycling. Unfortunately fighting fire with fire has been proven not to work. So we need to acknowledge that a change of approach is needed. We know that we are right about all these issues and that the trolls are wrong. So instead of stooping to their level and 'getting them back' and trying to punish them for being such a pain, I think it is best to drop the 'killfile, disrupt and snipe' approach in favour of fully addressing the 'points' they make, dismantling them, and showing how they are incorrect. They are so argumentative that they will not be able to resist defending their preposterous 'arguments', and once they try to do that, we can beat them with well-reasoned logic, because we are right and they are wrong. We just need to stay calm, not rise to the bait, and show exactly how they are wrong by reasoning the issues out, each and every time. Eventually the trolls will get bored of being beaten and will go and pick on a less robust group (or even do something constructive for a change). In any case, Simon, you may disagree with the above, but I think you need to acknowledge that your way of dealing with the trolls is not the only valid one. For a long time, you engaged with them, and did so very well. Why have you now changed your approach? And can you honestly say it's working? Have any of the trolls drifted away since you started changing subjects and killfiling them? I do think that refusing to reply to these people gives them a bit of an open goal, in that they can claim that you are doing that because you know you have lost the argument. We know that isn't true of course, but to some it may seem to be. Anyway, I will continue replying to the trolls when I see fit, and pointing out the many flaws in their assertions. If you do not want to do that then that is up to you, but I think it is a bit arrogant for you to simply assume that your current approach is the best way of dealing with the trolls, and to 'instruct' me in a fairly abrupt way to follow suit. I will not. Dealing with such determined trolls is pretty difficult, and no one approach has been shown to be best in my opinion. But if anything, it has been shown that proclaiming that you don't read the trolls' posts, changing subject lines in their threads, and even making unprovoked attacks on them sometimes has failed to accomplish anything useful. So I would like it if we could all make a concerted effort to challenge these lunatics' unfounded assertions on the grounds of reason, every time they are made, and simply keep on going and give them nowhere to run. In the end, I am convinced that this will work if we all pull together and keep at it. The trolls will not be able to stand it. Bring it on. Sensible discussion - debate the points - can't wait. (Why is half of this thread is crossposted to flight simulator ?) |
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:43:44 +0100, "Mrcheerful"
wrote: snip It was when Simon kept losing arguments that he decided I am a troll, so I don't see him being too keen on that tack. It is Simon that has poured out as much unnecessary abuse as anyone else , so he really only has himself to blame for that. It is Simon that kept on posting about his holidays and completely irrelevant stuff that made so many people take the mick out of him. etc. etc. Spot on - he had a number of discussions/arguments with me - which he lost. He then said that I was a troll and things went from bad to worse. |
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:47:11 +0100, Dave - Cyclists VOR
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On Thu, 17 May 2012 11:18:18 -0700 (PDT), Simon Mason
wrote: On May 17, 5:06*pm, M Wicks wrote: So I would like it if we could all make a concerted effort to challenge these lunatics' unfounded assertions on the grounds of reason, every time they are made, and simply keep on going and give them nowhere to run. In the end, I am convinced that this will work if we all pull together and keep at it. The trolls will not be able to stand it. Good luck, but if you check back at the last six months of my new campaign you will see that all troll success has been nullified. If you engage with them you will have to have a much thicker skin than the one you have shown so far, but it is your call. I will continue to do what I am doing, but I will not be doing any trollbusting from 2-23 June and you will then see what happens to the group. On the 24th I will resume and then you will be able to tell the difference. I think you may be mentally ill. -- Simon Mason used to post from BP Chemicals where he works. He repeatedly said that he was wasting BP's time; and not his own time - like other posters were. After the BP AGM in April 2012 Mason suddenly stopped posting from a BP IP address. People have asked why - but he won't say :-) |
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On 17/05/2012 19:18, Simon Mason wrote:
On May 17, 5:06 pm, M wrote: So I would like it if we could all make a concerted effort to challenge these lunatics' unfounded assertions on the grounds of reason, every time they are made, and simply keep on going and give them nowhere to run. In the end, I am convinced that this will work if we all pull together and keep at it. The trolls will not be able to stand it. Good luck, but if you check back at the last six months of my new campaign you will see that all troll success has been nullified. ROFLMFAO!!!! What an idiot you are! -- Dave - Cyclists VOR. "Many people barely recognise the bicycle as a legitimate mode of transport; it is either a toy for children or a vehicle fit only for the poor and/or strange," Dave Horton - Lancaster University |
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On May 17, 5:06*pm, M Wicks wrote:
In the end, I am convinced that this will work if we all pull together and keep at it. The trolls will not be able to stand it. On the other hand you seem to be able to pop up late at night to keep the trolls on their hamster wheels so you may be some use after all. -- Simon Mason |
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