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Some lives matter. Some don't
http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo
-- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:24:43 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Everyone's life doesn't matter to someone. The trick is to avoid that person as long as you can. |
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On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote:
http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 1/26/2018 6:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? Yes, we (and many of our dearly departed) do (did). Review the video. She actually stopped her bike as he started the turn but short of martial-arts level acrobatics she was trapped. -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 19:07:44 -0600, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/26/2018 6:24 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? Yes, we (and many of our dearly departed) do (did). Review the video. She actually stopped her bike as he started the turn but short of martial-arts level acrobatics she was trapped. I watched the video several times and to be honest I don't see any evidence of an attempt to stop. What I do see is a truck that appears to be traveling slower then a bicycle making a right turn and being run into by the bicycle. The sequence from 1:08 - 1:24 quite clearly shows the bicycle in the act of overtaking the truck on the curb side and when the truck turns the bicycle appears to run directly into the truck. -- Cheers, John B. |
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John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 19:07:44 -0600, AMuzi wrote: On 1/26/2018 6:24 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. The ignoramus police, too. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. A few close calls during adolescence can help the reasonably intelligent remember that cycling, even when physically mastered, remains a task first, and that the recreational time slices are to be earned. Don't other people? Yes, we (and many of our dearly departed) do (did). It's still amazing how many do not. And that most of them get by without becoming maimed. Review the video. She actually stopped her bike as he started the turn but short of martial-arts level acrobatics she was trapped. Before whatever deceleration, she was coasting undecidedly, with the left pedal up indicating she was not even considering an eventual necessity to execute an emergency right bail, possibly into the curb. When in reality, in view of the truck's geometry and tractrix curves also known in Switzerland, https://vif.lu.ch/down_load/fachordner/fachordner_strassen/schleppkurven time was running out to take initial, decisive action on her front disk brake. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/08/09/21/2B3B643400000578-0-image-a-26_1439150994376.jpg I watched the video several times and to be honest I don't see any evidence of an attempt to stop. What I do see is a truck that appears to be traveling slower then a bicycle making a right turn and being run into by the bicycle. The sequence from 1:08 - 1:24 quite clearly shows the bicycle in the act of overtaking the truck on the curb side and when the truck turns the bicycle appears to run directly into the truck. After the homicide, the municipality had to do SOMETHING of course, again. So they sent the painters to embellish the segregationist infrastructure, who cares if it also gets more slippery!? http://www.viszerale.insel.ch/typo3temp/pics/b6f7d30d7b.jpg Now it's GREEN. And it's PROTECTED. And a ghostbike stops accidents. Yippie! |
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AMuzi writes:
On 1/26/2018 6:24 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? Yes, we (and many of our dearly departed) do (did). Review the video. She actually stopped her bike as he started the turn but short of martial-arts level acrobatics she was trapped. Lots of commentary and still frames at http://www.massbike.org/anita_kurmann_video_narrative . Look at the picture labeled 7:03:08 AM, which shows the truck driver swinging into the lane to his left to make a right turn, with the cyclist almost beside his passenger window. In the next frame she has realized what's happening, and avoids the front wheels, but cannot avoid the rear. I don't know whether the massbike claim of vehicular homicide should be supportable or not, but it amazes me that Matthew Levari, the truck driver, was not prosecuted for leaving the scene. -- |
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 23:46:33 -0500, Radey Shouman
wrote: AMuzi writes: On 1/26/2018 6:24 PM, John B. wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? Yes, we (and many of our dearly departed) do (did). Review the video. She actually stopped her bike as he started the turn but short of martial-arts level acrobatics she was trapped. Lots of commentary and still frames at http://www.massbike.org/anita_kurmann_video_narrative . Look at the picture labeled 7:03:08 AM, which shows the truck driver swinging into the lane to his left to make a right turn, with the cyclist almost beside his passenger window. In the next frame she has realized what's happening, and avoids the front wheels, but cannot avoid the rear. I don't know whether the massbike claim of vehicular homicide should be supportable or not, but it amazes me that Matthew Levari, the truck driver, was not prosecuted for leaving the scene. From what I read the Mass. law includes wording such as http://www.bikexprt.com/massfacil/laws/passright.htm " Ch. 89 § 2. Passing vehicle traveling in same direction ...The driver of a vehicle may, if the roadway is free from obstruction and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles, overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle when the vehicle overtaken is (a) making of about to make a left turn, (b) upon a one-way street, or (c) upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement." -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 1/26/2018 7:24 PM, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:01:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote: On 1/26/2018 8:24 AM, AMuzi wrote: http://www.massbike.org/anitakurmannvideo Yes, horrific. And yet we have people here saying a cyclist should always stay far right, that controlling a lane is dangerous. If she had been in front of the trucker, he'd have seen her and slowed. But if a cyclist can't bring himself/herself to do that, at least NEVER put yourself to the right of a vehicle that might turn right. Especially a large vehicle like a truck or bus. Right hooks are deadly. (Left hooks in drive-on-left countries.) A few years ago there was a huge outrage about cyclist deaths in London (even though, as usual, far more pedestrians died). It came out that most of those deaths were left hooks, usually women, who pulled up along big lorries. Some said the women were too "polite" to avoid the curb and get in the traffic lane. I am a bit puzzled with these right/left hooked accidents. Don't people turn their heads to look and see what is creeping up beside them? I certainly do - every driveway turning onto "my street"; every corner, every junction, I look to see what is coming. Shoot, I even look back over my shoulder to see what is coming up behind me. Don't other people? See if you can get a chance to sit in a big truck's cab. The blind spots are huge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9E1_1M-qhU http://commuteorlando.com/wordpress/...-about-trucks/ -- - Frank Krygowski |
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