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On 9/8/2017 11:32 AM, wrote:
O John, my wife's older Keo tells her if a tire is low. Is that by government edict? Um... yes, it is. My car warns me if my gas is getting low so that I won't run out on the freeway. Was that a government edict? We are getting small sedans not only swerving in front of tractor trailers but being struck so hard that they are doing multiple roll-overs with the cars totally unrecognizable afterwards and NO INJURIES to the passengers. What are the government edicts? You have to wear your seatbelts. There's a lot of these rules that you don't seem to know about. Maybe you should at least hit Wikipedia before posting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...fety_Standards If you don't know the business don't make your comments as you usually do. It is almost entirely the automotive industry that is improving auto safety. This is especially important as vehicles become less and less metal. On my smashed up 1999 Ford it appears that the only steel on it is the frame which is bent so badly that one wheel is so high that it isn't touching the ground. There is no damage at all in the passenger compartment. That's probably a result of the crash impact standards. You know, the things they do with the crash test dummies inside the cars? Regulation FMVSS No. 201 -- - Frank Krygowski |
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On Friday, September 8, 2017 at 8:39:10 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 6:58:42 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote: http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums.../t-335969.html http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...-identify.html https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...placement.html http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Engine/chains.htm Doug - those were not plastic gears. It was a COATING that could peel off and cause problems. Mostly they plugged the oil system. I'd be careful blaming jumped timing on the coating. Tearing through the gears drag racing would beat the timing gears to death and this normally caused the timing gear failures. I've seen a tooth broken off and the jackass still driving it with Lord only knows how the gears would work. Tom shut yer mouth willya. I towed the old family car home myself from skool, and changed the timing chain and gears; the teeth were nylon and stripped off, and the chain had hopped and the timing marks on the gears were no longer aligned, but off by one tooth. Which is why all the backfiring and spasms when it wouldn't start. |
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On 2017-09-07 18:10, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2017 07:19:58 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 16:50, John B. wrote: [...] ... Given Vietnam's history since, say the 1850's, the average Vietnamese is probably as happy under the present government as they were under previous regimes. Having met a lot of Vietnamese people, including people where not all relatives made it out, I do not think this is true. I also had relatives who had to live in a former communist country. They would have been shot if they had tried to leave. Nobody will ever tell me there is nothing wrong with communism. As a general statement, those who escaped from Vietnam were people with a certain amount of money. Call them the middle class. Not the ones I met. They didn't have much more than the shirt on their backs and most didn't own real estate over there or had much in terms of other wealth. A simple bicycle was already considered a luxury. ... Certainly Thai pirates were active in robbing them and in cases where the Vietnamese were subsequently rescued they all complained of being robbed of money, and from personal knowledge an escape boat that approached a drilling platform in Malaysian waters offered to pay for food and water and a later boat that landed on Karimun Island in the Java Sea offered to pay for food and water using gold. But the so called middle class is a minority in Vietnam, The Boston Consulting Group estimates that the "middle class" may include as much as 1/3rd of the Vietnamese people by 2020. It was the remainder, the "peasants" that I was referring to when I said "the average". Perhaps I should change that to "the majority". I was referring to the same group. Simple workers. They fled because of brutal oppression. Here in the US they realized how much of a perspective they can have, learning new stuff such as electronics that would have remained a complete illusion in Vietnam. As for the blissful life under the U.S. supported "democratically elected government, well religious freedom didn't really exist, to the extent that Buddhist monks burned themselves in protest. Of course that was right and proper for the Christians (some 6 million Catholics) to persecute the heathen Buddhists ( some 12 million). A lot of bad things happened half a century or more ago, sometimes in the name of "Western values" or 100+ years ago even Christian missionary "work" (and I am saying that as a practicing Lutheran). However, things got better, much better. In communism they didn't. By the way, the number of "boat people" who escaped Vietnam and arrived in a foreign country amounted to about 800,000, call it a million and an additional 1,000,000 escaped by other means for a total of 2,000,000 during the 20 year period from 1975 - 95. Or roughly 100,000 annually. From a nation with an average population of about 61.5 million during the same period. That qualifies as mass exodus, especially considering the untold millions who did not succeed or didn't dare. Plus those snatched and sent to "re-eduction camps" a.k.a gulag. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-09-07 18:25, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 07 Sep 2017 07:57:10 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 17:11, John B. wrote: On Wed, 06 Sep 2017 13:29:59 -0700, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 15:59, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. Why is that? In the automotive world such an advance in technology is kept and further developed, not rescinded and chucked back into the dust bin. Well, usually. For example, transmissions nowadays typically last the whole lifetime of a car. 20+ years for us on two vehicles so far, for everything. Vehicle owners would have a hissy fit if they had to swap out a chain every 5000 miles. I think that you are confusing reality with your own fantasies. In years past I have worked with two engineers who had worked in the automobile industry. They both said the same thing, that the major effort in the motor industry was to "make it cheaper". One of them described a cash for suggestion program that Ford (I believe) had for a time and commented that when you made a million cars the removal of one sheet metal screw in the firewall was of interest. You've got to do your research first and then buy the right brand and type of car. Which I always did except for my first car after getting the degree (learned that lessen very fast). And what research is that? Reliability statistics from large auto clubs (those guys truly know), then in the 90's here in the US "Edmund's", and talk to car mechanics (those also truly know what's good and what isn't). Then research how it's built. H-frame truck chassis (good) or unibody (not so great), and so on. Most of all, look. The sales agent's jaw dropped because I was his first customer ever who wanted to crawl underneath the vehicle before signing on the dotted line. Which made me wonder why none of the other hundreds of customers did. I liked what I saw there as well as in the engine compartment, and signed the deal. Never regretted it. Number of defects in over 20 years and close to 80k miles: Zero. Not even a light bulb filament has failed. ... I do not remember what make of automobile you mentioned but I do remember thinking that it was a low end model, whatever it was. 1997 model Mitsubishi Montero Sport, 2WD, 4-cylinder engine. Built on the MightMax truck chassis which was important to me. ... Is that research? What I did? Yes, it was. ... I just looked up "best SUV" and two out of the three best SUV's (for 2017) were Honda so I'd guess that you must be driving a Honda. The third choice was a Ford. Mine is model year 1997. As for a chain drive lasting 5,000 miles, it is perfectly feasible to build a chain drive that will last more then 5,000 miles. Of course it will cost more and be rather large and ugly and will, of course be heavier then a current systems, but it can be built.... if anyone will buy it. What's his Face... the guy that lives in the low rent district of the Irish Republic, did that a few years back and described how it was done in loving detail. I haven't bought a new chain in some time but I did see a 9 speed chain with a price tag on it recently and it was 500 baht. In Usian money that would be about US$15.07. Are you telling me that people that sprint around on 1000+ dollar bicycles worry about a bicycle chain that costs so little money? 1.5% of the cost of the bike? No, I am talking about people like me who also use bicycles for transportation and not just for sports. I'm not so sure. You talk a lot about how much you ride a bicycle and complain loudly about chain wear while James documents his rides - I believe that he is in the 10,000 Mile?Km? region per year, and doesn't seem to mention chain wear hardly at all. Probably depends on weight, hills, dust and so on. I am comparing apples to apples because it roughly the same turf I used my SUV on. Past tense because last tax year was the first where I dipped well below 1k miles for my car. It would seem logical to assume that you must be riding somewhere in the neighborhood of what? 15,000 miles a year? If you never take a holiday that is ~40 miles every day. Only 4000mi, which will increase once I can fully retire. That hope was kind of dashed in a phone discussion this morning, for now. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-09-07 18:58, Doug Landau wrote:
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 12:39:17 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote: On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:59:50 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 17:25, Doug Landau wrote: On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:29:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 15:59, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. Why is that? In the automotive world such an advance in technology is kept and further developed, not rescinded and chucked back into the dust bin. Well, usually. Simple - the motor runs quieter, and consumers buy it more readily. Hence we saw plastic teeth on timing gears. And they make that last 100,000mi before a PM swap. That's what it says in my SUV's manual and when the old belts came out they still looked like new. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA After how many decades of ****ing off customers because the plastic teeth stripped off of the gears after 40K miles? http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums.../t-335969.html http://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vi...-identify.html https://classicoldsmobile.com/forums...placement.html http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Engine/chains.htm You really are the master of premature conclusion. If you had followed carefully I own none of those vehicles and never will. There are reasons why not. Mine has toothed belts with fibers in them and metal gears. All of it including the toothed belts looked like new when changed. The only reason I changed them before 100k miles was reached was the vehicle age of 15 years. Turned out I could have left them in way longer. Same with the tires BTW. They had 60k miles, still half the tread but were well past 10 years. Looked good buy common recommendations state that means it's time to buy new tires. Try _that_ with a bicycle tire. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-09-08 08:15, wrote:
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 12:39:17 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote: On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:59:50 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 17:25, Doug Landau wrote: On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:29:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 15:59, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. Why is that? In the automotive world such an advance in technology is kept and further developed, not rescinded and chucked back into the dust bin. Well, usually. Simple - the motor runs quieter, and consumers buy it more readily. Hence we saw plastic teeth on timing gears. And they make that last 100,000mi before a PM swap. That's what it says in my SUV's manual and when the old belts came out they still looked like new. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA After how many decades of ****ing off customers because the plastic teeth stripped off of the gears after 40K miles? The smaller Ford V6 uses rubber timing belts and they insist that you absolutely MUST replace them on 50,000 mile intervals or bye-bye motor. GMC apparently has a V8 that way. My stepdaughter's SUV broke a belt and exploded the motor - the mechanic told her not to replace the motor because the new one would do exactly the same thing. My Ford has the larger V6 with a steel timing belt and they go just short of forever. These cars are advertised 5 years old and with 200,000 miles on them. People actually commute from Sacramento to San Francisco! Here's one with almost 250,000 miles on it: https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto...266166468.html In the '60's you'd be LUCKY to get a motor to last 100,000 miles. Unless you bought the right car. My Citroen 2CV from 1969 rusted out from underneath me around 1985 but the engine with 90k miles on it was still purring and had no oil consumption to speak of. It was carefully removed from the car at the junk yard and sold for a nice sum of money to a Norwegian. Meaning I also got good money for a car that would otherwise have incurred a waste disposal fee. The only change versus stock was that I replaced many seals with hand-sawn and polished copper versions. Afterwards it idled as smoothly as a brand-new Harley, patoomph .. patoomph .. patoomph. The junk yard owner couldn't believe it. "I only ever saw that stuff on a Bentley". -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On 2017-09-08 09:20, sms wrote:
On 9/7/2017 7:59 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2017-09-06 17:25, Doug Landau wrote: On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:29:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 15:59, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. Why is that? In the automotive world such an advance in technology is kept and further developed, not rescinded and chucked back into the dust bin. Well, usually. Simple - the motor runs quieter, and consumers buy it more readily. Hence we saw plastic teeth on timing gears. And they make that last 100,000mi before a PM swap. That's what it says in my SUV's manual and when the old belts came out they still looked like new. The recommended timing belt change interval is very conservative. I've had it done on my SUV at 100K and while the belt did not look new when it came out, it was clear that it would have gone far longer without breaking. There are several advantages to timing belts versus timing chains, especially on engines where a long chain or belt is needed. A timing chain needs to have a system to keep it oiled. Chains stretch more than a kevlar reinforced neoprene belt. Chains are noisier. Chains are expensive to replace and contrary to what some people believe, they do NOT last "forever" just because there is no scheduled replacement interval. The best was my Citroen 2CV, the 16-horse version. Two meshed metal gears (no belt, no chain). It also had no distributor and no external belts to drive anything. The generator sat directly on the shaft and the propeller to cool the air-cooled engine sat in front of that on the same shaft. https://www.schaalbouw.nl/citroen/2cveng32.jpg -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 8:31:30 AM UTC-7, wrote:
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 7:14:44 AM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: ... What makes you think that stopping the spread of something - evil or not - is done for the benefit of the future generation, rather than for one's own pleasure, revenge, satisfaction, zeal, fullfillment of desire or of self, or as an outlet of natural agression? It is done for both. However, most of all for coming generations because a decent human being care more for the offspring whether it's his own or not. I found this an EXTREMELY odd answer from Doug. I actually think far more of my step-children than I do of myself. Making the world a better and safer place for them is the object of government. What possibly could make ANYONE that is sane think any differently? I've been reading Jung |
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On 2017-09-08 08:18, wrote:
On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 12:40:37 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote: On Thursday, September 7, 2017 at 8:26:26 AM UTC-7, wrote: On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 5:25:33 PM UTC-7, Doug Landau wrote: On Wednesday, September 6, 2017 at 1:29:59 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 15:59, AMuzi wrote: On 8/28/2017 4:28 PM, wrote: On Monday, August 28, 2017 at 1:59:20 PM UTC-7, Joerg wrote: On 2017-08-28 13:43, sms wrote: I replaced the chain that I broke on Saturday with one I had in my garage that I must have purchased five to ten years ago. It has a connecting link and it says "Taya" on it. It's for 6,7,8 gearing. It seems okay, but I think that this is the first time I've used a chain with a connecting link since childhood. I looked up Taya and it's a big Taiwanese chain manufacturer. I still have a Sachs-Sedis 7-speed chain on my road bike which I bought from a friend as NOS, for $6 which was the old sticker price (the sticker had already turned brownish). No link, mounted with hammer and anvil as usual. To my utter amazement it doesn't show any measurable stretch after over 2000mi and sometimes I really put the coals on because of our hills. Even the old Wippermann chains could not rival that. I am very religious about chain cleaning and lube though. The old 5-6-7 speed Sachs chains wore out three days after the bike was junked. The Sedis (later Sachs-Sedis) material and Delta hardening process was not only exceptional but unsurpassed down to today except for possibly Record chains. That ended with SRAM. Why is that? In the automotive world such an advance in technology is kept and further developed, not rescinded and chucked back into the dust bin. Well, usually. Simple - the motor runs quieter, and consumers buy it more readily. Hence we saw plastic teeth on timing gears. In this case, the non-hardened chains make less noise, 'cuz the edges go 'ting' less, and consumers perceive this as better shifting. ;-) Doug, some woman came around the corner, dropped her water bottle (so she says while clutching her smartphone to her breast) fished around for it and ran into the back of my parked car turning it into a pile of scrape metal and plastic. Looking for replacements I find 5 year old cars with 200,000 miles on the original motors and not only said to be running smoothly but still getting good mileage. That isn't being done with plastic gears. I picked up a 2007 with 50,000 miles on it and expect it to last my lifetime with only normal maintenance. I'm talking about the automotive scene in the 1970s, Tom. Doug, what cars used plastic gears in the '70's? Perhaps there were but at that time I was buying pretty good cars like Mustangs and Camaros with big engines in them. Not to drive fast so much as to get on the freeway ahead of people purposely trying to cut you off. Volvo, but with plastic gears there is usually no chain or belt involved: http://212.247.61.152/EU/ZF0001_bild...otor/024_s.jpg They could go pretty fast, too, especially after being souped up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzDCkZh7fM A friend's parents had a Volvo with the plastic gear. He said when that failed it was replaced with a metal one by the dealer repair shop and afterwards the engine was noisier. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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