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CTC - the premier campaigning uselessness for UK cyclists
Ian Jackson wrote:
On the 5th of September I emailed : As I've reported in the newsgroup cam.transport, I've had an appeal Two points: 1) Are you a member? If not, it's not that likely they'll have resources to help. Even if you are, 2) Pointing them to "the newsgroup cam.transport" isn't very helpful. If someone knows what a newsgroup is then they'll find it's not widely carried and the odds are high the person receiving the email wouldn't know what a newsgroup is anyway. A link to the exact thread on Google Groups might have been more helpful, or even better a summary. Arthur -- Arthur Clune PGP/GPG Key: http://www.clune.org/pubkey.txt The struggle of people against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting - Milan Kundera |
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CTC - the premier campaigning uselessness for UK cyclists
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Arthur Clune wrote: 1) Are you a member? If not, it's not that likely they'll have resources to help. Even if you are, Yes, I am. Do I have to give my membership number when I email them ? It doesn't suggest on their website that I should. 2) Pointing them to "the newsgroup cam.transport" isn't very helpful. If someone knows what a newsgroup is then they'll find it's not widely carried and the odds are high the person receiving the email wouldn't know what a newsgroup is anyway. So they could at least write back and say "more details please" ! A link to the exact thread on Google Groups might have been more helpful, or even better a summary. As you saw, the first paragraph of my email was a summary. -- Ian Jackson personal email: These opinions are my own. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/ PGP2 key 1024R/0x23f5addb, fingerprint 5906F687 BD03ACAD 0D8E602E FCF37657 |
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CTC - the premier campaigning uselessness for UK cyclists
Ian Jackson wrote:
On the 5th of September I emailed : snip Of course I haven't had any reply. The Cambridge Cycling Campaign on the other hand have kept themselves involved, and my MP has been at least somewhat useful. This isn't the only time I've had the CTC seem disinterested or useless. Surprise, surprise you got a better response from a local cycling organisation that from a national campaigning and policy organisation. I'm sure your incident and subsequent dealings with indifferent plods were of great significance to you and probably should be of significance to cyclists in your area. So the CCC are involved, that's great. But put yourself in the shoes of the CTC nationally. Not an organisation with financial and human resources coming out of it's ears. In fairness I can't see your particular campaign figuring on their list of priorities simply due to lack of resources. Also I think you'll find local campaigns are far more likely to gain support from national organisations if there is more of a groundswell of local organisation around an issue. So have you contacted the *local* CTC branches and perhaps local cycling clubs? And in fairness do you think that some poor sod in CTC head office with a million and one things to do is more or less likely to give you a call back when you publicly accuse the organisation of disinterest and uselessness? Give the CTC a break - they try to do a good job in a fairly cycling-unfriendly country with very limited resources. Ian |
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CTC - the premier campaigning uselessness for UK cyclists
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:18:53 GMT, 7@m3 G33k wrote:
Ian Jackson wrote: On the 5th of September I emailed : snip Of course I haven't had any reply. The Cambridge Cycling Campaign on the other hand have kept themselves involved, and my MP has been at least somewhat useful. This isn't the only time I've had the CTC seem disinterested or useless. Surprise, surprise you got a better response from a local cycling organisation that from a national campaigning and policy organisation. I'm sure your incident and subsequent dealings with indifferent plods were of great significance to you and probably should be of significance to cyclists in your area. So the CCC are involved, that's great. But put yourself in the shoes of the CTC nationally. Not an organisation with financial and human resources coming out of it's ears. In fairness I can't see your particular campaign figuring on their list of priorities simply due to lack of resources. I disagree. Surely what they could do is draft a public letter to the members of ACPO pointing out the IPCC finding in Cambridge and stress the importance of their forces not failing in a similar manner and exhort upon them to make sure that their force is properly trained to deal with such incidents and follow them up in an appropriate manner. We have seen reports here of similar cases of police forces not really taking such incidents seriously so although Ian's particular case is local it has national importance. -- Andy Leighton = "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials" - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ |
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CTC - the premier campaigning uselessness for UK cyclists
Andy Leighton wrote:
I disagree. Surely what they could do is draft a public letter to the members of ACPO pointing out the IPCC finding in Cambridge and stress the importance of their forces not failing in a similar manner and exhort upon them to make sure that their force is properly trained to deal with such incidents and follow them up in an appropriate manner. We have seen reports here of similar cases of police forces not really taking such incidents seriously so although Ian's particular case is local it has national importance. Or maybe they have already done this *privately* in the interests of maintaining a good working relationship with ACPO. This is of course a judgement call whether or not to go public, it's only in the world of Usenet (and possibly the Daily Mail) that screaming at the moon from the rooftops is the preferred means of persuasion and debate. Ian |
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:04:57 GMT, 7@m3 G33k wrote:
Andy Leighton wrote: I disagree. Surely what they could do is draft a public letter to the members of ACPO pointing out the IPCC finding in Cambridge and stress the importance of their forces not failing in a similar manner and exhort upon them to make sure that their force is properly trained to deal with such incidents and follow them up in an appropriate manner. We have seen reports here of similar cases of police forces not really taking such incidents seriously so although Ian's particular case is local it has national importance. Or maybe they have already done this *privately* in the interests of maintaining a good working relationship with ACPO. Possibly. I would still expect an email to Ian saying thanks for bringing it to their attention and that they have privately followed up with ACPO. -- Andy Leighton = "The Lord is my shepherd, but we still lost the sheep dog trials" - Robert Rankin, _They Came And Ate Us_ |
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CTC - the premier campaigning uselessness for UK cyclists
"Ian Jackson" wrote in message ... On the 5th of September I emailed : As I've reported in the newsgroup cam.transport, I've had an appeal upheld by the Independent Police Complaints Commission about the way the police handled my complaint about the fact that they didn't prosecute a taxi driver who rammed me from behind in December (throwing me off my bike in front of three independent witnesses). The complaint has been sent back to the constabulary for them to do it properly this time. I would like to try to make as much capital out of this as possible, in terms of improving the treatment of cyclists by the Cambridgeshire Constabulary. Are the CTC or the CDF interested and do you have any suggestions for me ? The police are supposed to get back to me and it would be good for me to have a clear idea what I would like to get out of them. My current thoughts are that I would like an apology in writing and a promise to take incidents of bad driving directed against pedestrians and cyclists seriously, even if there is no injury or collision. (All the papers, letters, etc. can be found in cam.transport or I can provide you with copies if you want.) Of course I haven't had any reply. The Cambridge Cycling Campaign on the other hand have kept themselves involved, and my MP has been at least somewhat useful. This isn't the only time I've had the CTC seem disinterested or useless. -- Ian Jackson personal email: These opinions are my own. http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~ijackson/ PGP2 key 1024R/0x23f5addb, fingerprint 5906F687 BD03ACAD 0D8E602E FCF37657 Let's be basic. CTC will only promote CTC. It is totally self sustaining and not interested in "local" issues -- Trevor A Panther In South Yorkshire, England, United Kingdom. www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk |
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"Trevor A Panther" wrote in message . uk... Let's be basic. CTC will only promote CTC. It is totally self sustaining and not interested in "local" issues Let's actually be truthful: local CTC sections are interested in local issues, with or without inverted commas. The CTC promotes cycling generally, and the CTC specifically. Are you a member Trevor, or just a moaner? |
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