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So, will Michael Rogers...
....take over the rainbow?
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So, will Michael Rogers...
"Sonarrat" wrote in message om... ...take over the rainbow? In theory, yes. Tyler should also get the stage win retroactively as well for last years final Tour ITT including prize money and UCI points. All this will happen when the UCI adjudicates the Millar case with the reported confession. |
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So, will Michael Rogers...
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"Chris" wrote: "Sonarrat" wrote in message om... ...take over the rainbow? In theory, yes. Tyler should also get the stage win retroactively as well for last years final Tour ITT including prize money and UCI points. All this will happen when the UCI adjudicates the Millar case with the reported confession. Well, that would depend on him admitting he'd used it during the time frames for those races. From the Cyclingnews article, he took "three courses of EPO, one week each, during 2001 and 2003." Now, it's a reasonable assumption that he might have taken two of those courses of EPO to help him for the TdF and the Worlds, but I haven't seen anything that specific yet. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ul04/jul02news -- tanx, Howard "The fickleness of fame and fortune's caprice Together changed the life of Mason Reese" Alice Donut remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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So, will Michael Rogers...
Howard Kveck wrote: Well, that would depend on him admitting he'd used it during the time frames for those races. From the Cyclingnews article, he took "three courses of EPO, one week each, during 2001 and 2003." Now, it's a reasonable assumption that he might have taken two of those courses of EPO to help him for the TdF and the Worlds, but I haven't seen anything that specific yet. There was a comment from 3 Cofidis equipiers that they got the "leftover juice" from Millar's time-trial preparation for the final stage of last year's tour... |
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So, will Michael Rogers...
Stewart Fleming wrote:
There was a comment from 3 Cofidis equipiers that they got the "leftover juice" from Millar's time-trial preparation for the final stage of last year's tour... Yes, though I never understood that story. It seems, of all performance enhancing drugs, EPO is the one you wouldn't want to take the day before a big stage. The whole idea is that it has a lag of days to a few weeks to raise hematocrit, but one only risks testing positive in the first few days, so one would take it shortly before a 3 week tour, or in the first week maybe. I don't know what juice is good the evening before - stimulants, pot Belge? Damn, I should have read Voet's book more carefully, no wonder I'm getting dropped in Fattie races! |
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So, will Michael Rogers...
"Howard Kveck" wrote in message ... In article , "Chris" wrote: "Sonarrat" wrote in message om... ...take over the rainbow? In theory, yes. Tyler should also get the stage win retroactively as well for last years final Tour ITT including prize money and UCI points. All this will happen when the UCI adjudicates the Millar case with the reported confession. Well, that would depend on him admitting he'd used it during the time frames for those races. From the Cyclingnews article, he took "three courses of EPO, one week each, during 2001 and 2003." Now, it's a reasonable assumption that he might have taken two of those courses of EPO to help him for the TdF and the Worlds, but I haven't seen anything that specific yet. I do not remember the source, but I know that he was accused of using it for the final ITT and the confession came from that accusation, I think by a team mate (or more than one team mate). I believe that is the one time in 2003 he copped to it. You may be right about the World's ITT but if they make his suspension restroactive to the time of the finding, it is possible to lose that as well either that way or by further discovery of his specific abuses. You may be right though and it is at least even odds that he keeps the World's title. I really do not know how the UCI will handle this and I don't recall any previous cases like this where a confession covered such important wins (or any wins at all). http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ul04/jul02news -- tanx, Howard "The fickleness of fame and fortune's caprice Together changed the life of Mason Reese" Alice Donut remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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So, will Michael Rogers...
Chris wrote:
I do not remember the source, but I know that he was accused of using it for the final ITT and the confession came from that accusation, I think by a team mate (or more than one team mate). I believe that is the one time in 2003 he copped to it. You may be right about the World's ITT but if they make his suspension restroactive to the time of the finding, it is possible to lose that as well either that way or by further discovery of his specific abuses. You may be right though and it is at least even odds that he keeps the World's title. I really do not know how the UCI will handle this and I don't recall any previous cases like this where a confession covered such important wins (or any wins at all). Jerome Chiotti and Thomas Frischknecht, MTB world champs 1996. Chiotti copped to it years later - unlike Millar, without getting busted - and the jersey went to Frischknecht. However, IIRC the UCI originally wasn't going to make Frischy the official champion, but Chiotti insisted. Of course they suspended Chiotti for confessed drug use (and no doubt for making them look bad). |
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"Benjamin Weiner" wrote in message news:40e71f8d$1@darkstar... Chris wrote: I do not remember the source, but I know that he was accused of using it for the final ITT and the confession came from that accusation, I think by a team mate (or more than one team mate). I believe that is the one time in 2003 he copped to it. You may be right about the World's ITT but if they make his suspension restroactive to the time of the finding, it is possible to lose that as well either that way or by further discovery of his specific abuses. You may be right though and it is at least even odds that he keeps the World's title. I really do not know how the UCI will handle this and I don't recall any previous cases like this where a confession covered such important wins (or any wins at all). Jerome Chiotti and Thomas Frischknecht, MTB world champs 1996. Chiotti copped to it years later - unlike Millar, without getting busted - and the jersey went to Frischknecht. However, IIRC the UCI originally wasn't going to make Frischy the official champion, but Chiotti insisted. Of course they suspended Chiotti for confessed drug use (and no doubt for making them look bad). I had the sense there was some precedent but could not even get close to remembering that one. Hopefully that will be considered a precedent for the Millar case. BTW, Phil was brutal on the subject stately flatly that his career is over and that he is "an anonymous man as far as cycling is concerned". This case is probably the worst embarrassment ever for pro cyclists. I thought about it a bit since this morning and in retrospect we should have wondered how he could be so cavalier about preparation and still hit top form when his objectives arrived. I thought he was really gifted, but I thought it was natural. |
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So, will Michael Rogers...
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"Chris" wrote: "Benjamin Weiner" wrote in message news:40e71f8d$1@darkstar... Chris wrote: I do not remember the source, but I know that he was accused of using it for the final ITT and the confession came from that accusation, I think by a team mate (or more than one team mate). I believe that is the one time in 2003 he copped to it. You may be right about the World's ITT but if they make his suspension restroactive to the time of the finding, it is possible to lose that as well either that way or by further discovery of his specific abuses. You may be right though and it is at least even odds that he keeps the World's title. I really do not know how the UCI will handle this and I don't recall any previous cases like this where a confession covered such important wins (or any wins at all). Jerome Chiotti and Thomas Frischknecht, MTB world champs 1996. Chiotti copped to it years later - unlike Millar, without getting busted - and the jersey went to Frischknecht. However, IIRC the UCI originally wasn't going to make Frischy the official champion, but Chiotti insisted. Of course they suspended Chiotti for confessed drug use (and no doubt for making them look bad). I had the sense there was some precedent but could not even get close to remembering that one. Hopefully that will be considered a precedent for the Millar case. BTW, Phil was brutal on the subject stately flatly that his career is over and that he is "an anonymous man as far as cycling is concerned". This case is probably the worst embarrassment ever for pro cyclists. I thought about it a bit since this morning and in retrospect we should have wondered how he could be so cavalier about preparation and still hit top form when his objectives arrived. I thought he was really gifted, but I thought it was natural. I remember that Chiotti actually admitted he'd been using EPO when he won his title, which would make it much easier to take the jersey away (odd that the UCI was initially so reluctant to take it - maybe they thought it would reflect badly on them to have champion who won when doped). As far as I know, Millar hasn't gone so far as copping to using when he won Worlds, but it may still happen. As for Ligget's comments, well, I'd say he feels pretty let down by Millar. The thing is, I think Millar is actually pretty talented, but has psychological issues, mostly having to do with confidence. I think if he could maintain a more consistent training regimen than it sounds like he seems to do, he'd win as much as he has without dope. And he'd win far more if he he had a good DS that understood sports psychology. Riis? -- tanx, Howard "The fickleness of fame and fortune's caprice Together changed the life of Mason Reese" Alice Donut remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok? |
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