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214 Million in Funding For Cycling Announced
http://road.cc/content/news/137135-n...unding-cycling
Some say £3 per head of the population is too little. "The CTC Chief Executive Paul Tuohy reiterated the organsation's call for the equivalent of at least £10 per person per year to be spent on cycling." "The Government recently published evidence showing that investing in cycling delivers over £5 of health and other benefits for every £1 spent." A £5 return for every £1 spent seems to me a good use of tax payers money - to me anyway. |
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214 Million in Funding For Cycling Announced
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:39:19 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/137135-n...unding-cycling Some say £3 per head of the population is too little. "The CTC Chief Executive Paul Tuohy reiterated the organsation's call for the equivalent of at least £10 per person per year to be spent on cycling." "The Government recently published evidence showing that investing in cycling delivers over £5 of health and other benefits for every £1 spent." A £5 return for every £1 spent seems to me a good use of tax payers money - to me anyway. I think it is quite reasonable: as long as the money comes from the registration fee and annual tax on cyclists to enable them to use the facilities. |
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214 Million in Funding For Cycling Announced
On 27/11/2014 16:03, Judith wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:39:19 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/137135-n...unding-cycling Some say £3 per head of the population is too little. "The CTC Chief Executive Paul Tuohy reiterated the organsation's call for the equivalent of at least £10 per person per year to be spent on cycling." "The Government recently published evidence showing that investing in cycling delivers over £5 of health and other benefits for every £1 spent." A £5 return for every £1 spent seems to me a good use of tax payers money - to me anyway. I think it is quite reasonable: as long as the money comes from the registration fee and annual tax on cyclists to enable them to use the facilities. I seem to remember ome psycholist saying there were 250 million bikes in the uk, so if the owners put in a quid for each one that they own, the money will be found easily. |
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214 Million in Funding For Cycling Announced
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:39:19 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote: "The Government recently published evidence showing that investing in cycling delivers over £5 of health and other benefits for every £1 spent." A £5 return for every £1 spent seems to me a good use of tax payers money - to me anyway. If it was true it would be but cycling organisations do like to over egg the cake. The "evidence" appears to be a Cycling England (hardly an unbiased source) report which said "Overall, it is estimated that investing in cycling gives very good value for money, with benefits estimated to be 3.2 times the costs." (£3.20 has been rounded to the nearest £5 it seems). There was no evidence - just the output of an "economic model" fed data by cyclists. GIGO? Now we have had a number of towns who have made expensive efforts to promote bicycles and have claimed 90% increases in cycling. We also have a small number of places such as Cambridge which have long had a disproportionate number of cyclists. For some mysterious reason no one has tried to validate the wild claims of cycling propagandists against sickness and death rates in these areas compared with many where cyclists are as rare as rocking horse droppings. Why not? |
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214 Million in Funding For Cycling Announced
On 27/11/2014 16:03, Judith wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:39:19 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/137135-n...unding-cycling Some say £3 per head of the population is too little. "The CTC Chief Executive Paul Tuohy reiterated the organsation's call for the equivalent of at least £10 per person per year to be spent on cycling." "The Government recently published evidence showing that investing in cycling delivers over £5 of health and other benefits for every £1 spent." A £5 return for every £1 spent seems to me a good use of tax payers money - to me anyway. I think it is quite reasonable: as long as the money comes from the registration fee and annual tax on cyclists to enable them to use the facilities. What you seem to overlook is that cycling has an overall benefit to the economy and to society. Therefore it would only be right that society overall funds the facilitation of it. Also the main benefactor in cycle facilities is the motorist. Therefore the motorist should be taxed at a higher rate to fund the facilities that are provided for their benefit. We're getting there, but it is a slow process. |
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214 Million in Funding For Cycling Announced
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:02:05 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote: snip We're getting there, but it is a slow process. Have you not thought of giving up the bike for a car? |
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214 Million in Funding For Cycling Announced
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:02:05 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote: On 27/11/2014 16:03, Judith wrote: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:39:19 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/137135-n...unding-cycling Some say £3 per head of the population is too little. "The CTC Chief Executive Paul Tuohy reiterated the organsation's call for the equivalent of at least £10 per person per year to be spent on cycling." "The Government recently published evidence showing that investing in cycling delivers over £5 of health and other benefits for every £1 spent." A £5 return for every £1 spent seems to me a good use of tax payers money - to me anyway. I think it is quite reasonable: as long as the money comes from the registration fee and annual tax on cyclists to enable them to use the facilities. What you seem to overlook is that cycling has an overall benefit to the economy and to society. Therefore it would only be right that society overall funds the facilitation of it. Lets see which is better for the economy Buying and running a car which employs millions of people in this country, or spending a couple of hundred quid on something made in a chinese seatshop ? |
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214 Million in Funding For Cycling Announced
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:39:19 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper
wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/137135-n...unding-cycling Some say £3 per head of the population is too little. "The CTC Chief Executive Paul Tuohy reiterated the organsation's call for the equivalent of at least £10 per person per year to be spent on cycling." "The Government recently published evidence showing that investing in cycling delivers over £5 of health and other benefits for every £1 spent." A £5 return for every £1 spent seems to me a good use of tax payers money - to me anyway. People who insist on not dying costs the country a fortune in pension, social and NHS costs |
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214 Million in Funding For Cycling Announced
On 27/11/2014 23:14, Cassandra wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 21:02:05 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper wrote: On 27/11/2014 16:03, Judith wrote: On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:39:19 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper wrote: http://road.cc/content/news/137135-n...unding-cycling Some say £3 per head of the population is too little. "The CTC Chief Executive Paul Tuohy reiterated the organsation's call for the equivalent of at least £10 per person per year to be spent on cycling." "The Government recently published evidence showing that investing in cycling delivers over £5 of health and other benefits for every £1 spent." A £5 return for every £1 spent seems to me a good use of tax payers money - to me anyway. I think it is quite reasonable: as long as the money comes from the registration fee and annual tax on cyclists to enable them to use the facilities. What you seem to overlook is that cycling has an overall benefit to the economy and to society. Therefore it would only be right that society overall funds the facilitation of it. Lets see which is better for the economy Buying and running a car which employs millions of people in this country, or spending a couple of hundred quid on something made in a chinese seatshop ? A fair point but a narrow view. But how much does it cost the economy in time spent in traffic jams, obesity related illness? I am not an economist and I have little interest in the subject anyway. However I do however think that 'the economy' is given far too much importance over and above health and the environment in which we live. Health and well being of people appear to be of lesser importance in this money driven society. |
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214 Million in Funding For Cycling Announced
On 27/11/2014 19:34, Peter Parry wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 11:39:19 +0000, Simon Weaseltemper wrote: "The Government recently published evidence showing that investing in cycling delivers over £5 of health and other benefits for every £1 spent." A £5 return for every £1 spent seems to me a good use of tax payers money - to me anyway. If it was true it would be but cycling organisations do like to over egg the cake. The "evidence" appears to be a Cycling England (hardly an unbiased source) report which said "Overall, it is estimated that investing in cycling gives very good value for money, with benefits estimated to be 3.2 times the costs." (£3.20 has been rounded to the nearest £5 it seems). There was no evidence - just the output of an "economic model" fed data by cyclists. GIGO? Now we have had a number of towns who have made expensive efforts to promote bicycles and have claimed 90% increases in cycling. We also have a small number of places such as Cambridge which have long had a disproportionate number of cyclists... ....and just think about those miles of kerbside "cycle lanes" (ie, the nearside of the carriageway) denied to other road users, just sterilising the kerbside for legitimate use including loading/unloading/stopping/parking, with never a cyclist to be seen using them. For some mysterious reason no one has tried to validate the wild claims of cycling propagandists against sickness and death rates in these areas compared with many where cyclists are as rare as rocking horse droppings. Why not? Mainly because it is widely believed/known that the claims are bogus. There is no need to validate them because they have never been evidenced in the first place. |
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