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chain wear test video
On 2018-01-25 20:02, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:48:47 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-25 14:53, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:46:39 -0800 (PST), jbeattie wrote: SRAM sux. Based on that review, I was going to run out and buy a Connex 11sp chain -- until I noticed it was $90 USD. What justifies that price? Chain inflation is totally out of line with other products. Because profitability. Look, like many industries bike and component makers generate money by selling a small number of overpriced products to a small number of suckers. Oops, I mean customers. However, there are discerning customers who have blacklists. One company that made it on there now is CST. Their Conquistare road tires won't even last 1200mi in this area. The one I currently have on the rear also developed tiny cracks that you see in 15 year old car tires with 60000mi on them. Except this tire is almost new and under 1000mi. So when I have used up all CST tires here I will never buy that brand again. Are those CST tires China Made? I've never seen them sold here (not that they aren't) the "cheap tires" here all seem to be local made and aren't particularly prone to cracking. They are made in China. I am quite fond of Thai tires, they are among the best value for MTB. I haven't seen a 25mm road tire from Vee Rubber here yet. [...] -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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chain wear test video
On 2018-01-25 17:34, John B. wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 13:11:33 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-25 06:00, AMuzi wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4cz-JgbOP4 1% is a bit much. I try not to go past 0.8% because then cassette damage will start. Wippermann chains are good but at least in the 7-8 speed domain I found that Sachs-Sedis chains beat them by a lot. Unfortunately those have become unobtanium. Also, from what I have seen a Wippermann 10-speed stainless chain is over $50 even while on sale. I can get two KMC chains for that. One gripe I have with such tests is that they do not properly emulate the high pulsating peak load a chain is exposed to, including phases where a clyde is standing in the pedals riding up a steep hill. Regarding grit it's not so much sand that a chain is exposed to while offroad. Rather it is wet mud flinging onto the chain and everything else, often almost for the whole ride. I think that is exactly the point. The "wear test" chains all appear to be clean, aligned chains running under what appears to be an optimum tension, which is hardly the conditions that an actual bicycle chain is subjected to. While they might be considered as indicative, but certainly when adding purchase cost into the equation may well not point to the "best buy for a buck". Which is, it appears, the aim of the usual cyclist. That, and then there is the fact that derailer shifts aren't always super smooth on surprise uphill sections. In tests they usually never shift. The real test is on the roads or in my case mostly on singletrack. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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chain wear test video
On 1/26/2018 9:59 AM, Joerg wrote:
On 2018-01-25 20:02, John B. wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:48:47 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-25 14:53, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:46:39 -0800 (PST), jbeattie wrote: SRAM sux. Based on that review, I was going to run out and buy a Connex 11sp chain -- until I noticed it was $90 USD. What justifies that price? Chain inflation is totally out of line with other products. Because profitability. Look, like many industries bike and component makers generate money by selling a small number of overpriced products to a small number of suckers. Oops, I mean customers. However, there are discerning customers who have blacklists. One company that made it on there now is CST. Their Conquistare road tires won't even last 1200mi in this area. The one I currently have on the rear also developed tiny cracks that you see in 15 year old car tires with 60000mi on them. Except this tire is almost new and under 1000mi. So when I have used up all CST tires here I will never buy that brand again. Are those CST tires China Made? I've never seen them sold here (not that they aren't) the "cheap tires" here all seem to be local made and aren't particularly prone to cracking. They are made in China. I am quite fond of Thai tires, they are among the best value for MTB. I haven't seen a 25mm road tire from Vee Rubber here yet. [...] Did you look at all? https://www.amazon.com/Vee-Rubber-Sm...dp/B0114VX85M? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org/ Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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chain wear test video
On 2018-01-26 09:40, AMuzi wrote:
On 1/26/2018 9:59 AM, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-25 20:02, John B. wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:48:47 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-25 14:53, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:46:39 -0800 (PST), jbeattie wrote: SRAM sux. Based on that review, I was going to run out and buy a Connex 11sp chain -- until I noticed it was $90 USD. What justifies that price? Chain inflation is totally out of line with other products. Because profitability. Look, like many industries bike and component makers generate money by selling a small number of overpriced products to a small number of suckers. Oops, I mean customers. However, there are discerning customers who have blacklists. One company that made it on there now is CST. Their Conquistare road tires won't even last 1200mi in this area. The one I currently have on the rear also developed tiny cracks that you see in 15 year old car tires with 60000mi on them. Except this tire is almost new and under 1000mi. So when I have used up all CST tires here I will never buy that brand again. Are those CST tires China Made? I've never seen them sold here (not that they aren't) the "cheap tires" here all seem to be local made and aren't particularly prone to cracking. They are made in China. I am quite fond of Thai tires, they are among the best value for MTB. I haven't seen a 25mm road tire from Vee Rubber here yet. [...] Did you look at all? https://www.amazon.com/Vee-Rubber-Sm...dp/B0114VX85M? I did, and didn't see this one. Shazam! There is the next one to test. The price is in my usual range and it's steel bead which I prefer. Thanks. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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chain wear test video
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:59:27 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-01-25 20:02, John B. wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:48:47 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-25 14:53, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:46:39 -0800 (PST), jbeattie wrote: SRAM sux. Based on that review, I was going to run out and buy a Connex 11sp chain -- until I noticed it was $90 USD. What justifies that price? Chain inflation is totally out of line with other products. Because profitability. Look, like many industries bike and component makers generate money by selling a small number of overpriced products to a small number of suckers. Oops, I mean customers. However, there are discerning customers who have blacklists. One company that made it on there now is CST. Their Conquistare road tires won't even last 1200mi in this area. The one I currently have on the rear also developed tiny cracks that you see in 15 year old car tires with 60000mi on them. Except this tire is almost new and under 1000mi. So when I have used up all CST tires here I will never buy that brand again. Are those CST tires China Made? I've never seen them sold here (not that they aren't) the "cheap tires" here all seem to be local made and aren't particularly prone to cracking. They are made in China. I am quite fond of Thai tires, they are among the best value for MTB. I haven't seen a 25mm road tire from Vee Rubber here yet. [...] According to a bloke who claimed to know the cheaper Thai tires contain a lot of carbon black which makes the tread rubber harder and results in the tires lasting longer, which or course is of far more interest to poor buyers then to the wealthier purchasers. Perhaps this added carbon black also prevents cracking? -- Cheers, John B. |
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On 2018-01-26 16:42, John B. wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:59:27 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-25 20:02, John B. wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:48:47 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-25 14:53, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:46:39 -0800 (PST), jbeattie wrote: SRAM sux. Based on that review, I was going to run out and buy a Connex 11sp chain -- until I noticed it was $90 USD. What justifies that price? Chain inflation is totally out of line with other products. Because profitability. Look, like many industries bike and component makers generate money by selling a small number of overpriced products to a small number of suckers. Oops, I mean customers. However, there are discerning customers who have blacklists. One company that made it on there now is CST. Their Conquistare road tires won't even last 1200mi in this area. The one I currently have on the rear also developed tiny cracks that you see in 15 year old car tires with 60000mi on them. Except this tire is almost new and under 1000mi. So when I have used up all CST tires here I will never buy that brand again. Are those CST tires China Made? I've never seen them sold here (not that they aren't) the "cheap tires" here all seem to be local made and aren't particularly prone to cracking. They are made in China. I am quite fond of Thai tires, they are among the best value for MTB. I haven't seen a 25mm road tire from Vee Rubber here yet. [...] According to a bloke who claimed to know the cheaper Thai tires contain a lot of carbon black which makes the tread rubber harder and results in the tires lasting longer, which or course is of far more interest to poor buyers then to the wealthier purchasers. Wealthier purchasers are usually the smarter ones. They do not buy overpriced gear that has paltry lifetime. Warren Buffett didn't become rich by buying numerous $100k+ sports cars. Perhaps this added carbon black also prevents cracking? Then that's a good thing, isn't it? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ |
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2018 07:29:14 -0800, Joerg
wrote: On 2018-01-26 16:42, John B. wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:59:27 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-25 20:02, John B. wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:48:47 -0800, Joerg wrote: On 2018-01-25 14:53, Tim McNamara wrote: On Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:46:39 -0800 (PST), jbeattie wrote: SRAM sux. Based on that review, I was going to run out and buy a Connex 11sp chain -- until I noticed it was $90 USD. What justifies that price? Chain inflation is totally out of line with other products. Because profitability. Look, like many industries bike and component makers generate money by selling a small number of overpriced products to a small number of suckers. Oops, I mean customers. However, there are discerning customers who have blacklists. One company that made it on there now is CST. Their Conquistare road tires won't even last 1200mi in this area. The one I currently have on the rear also developed tiny cracks that you see in 15 year old car tires with 60000mi on them. Except this tire is almost new and under 1000mi. So when I have used up all CST tires here I will never buy that brand again. Are those CST tires China Made? I've never seen them sold here (not that they aren't) the "cheap tires" here all seem to be local made and aren't particularly prone to cracking. They are made in China. I am quite fond of Thai tires, they are among the best value for MTB. I haven't seen a 25mm road tire from Vee Rubber here yet. [...] According to a bloke who claimed to know the cheaper Thai tires contain a lot of carbon black which makes the tread rubber harder and results in the tires lasting longer, which or course is of far more interest to poor buyers then to the wealthier purchasers. Wealthier purchasers are usually the smarter ones. They do not buy overpriced gear that has paltry lifetime. Warren Buffett didn't become rich by buying numerous $100k+ sports cars. I did read that Jay Leno has some 286 vehicles (169 automobiles and 117 motorcycles) in his garage. Perhaps this added carbon black also prevents cracking? Then that's a good thing, isn't it? -- Cheers, John B. |
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