Cyclist at war!

In article ,
ComandanteBanana writes:
On Oct 17, 9:15*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
Revolutions are for when The System doesn't work.
But it's been my experience that The System
/does/ work when we approach it with arguments
that transcend "special interest," and connote
the "general good." *Politicians love to take
credit for stuff that makes more people happy
than unhappy. *They also like to get critics
off their backs.

cheers,
* * * * Tom
I don't know. I feel like taking desperate steps...

We know already.

You yack, yack, yack, but you don't /do/.

You say you want a revolution but all you do
is plant seeds of FUD. You stir-up contention,
pit people against people, and attempt to destroy
any positive inroads that have been made to integrate
bicycling as a regular & accepted feature of traffic.

In short: you are truly anti-socially and
anti-humanly evil. I see you for what you are.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

In article ,
Twibil writes:
On Oct 17, 8:55*am, KingOfTheApes wrote:
The bottom line is MAKE BIKE LANES, OR TAME TRAFFIC OR GO TO
HOLLAND.
The bottom line is:
(A) Why should the huge majority of taxpaying motorists have to give
up any of their lanes for you, much less pay their taxes to build new
ones just for you to use?

At least the outside lane is for /all/ vehicles, regardless of
speed. If you wanna pass slower vehicles, go to the inside
lane. It's pretty easy. A li'l turn of the steering wheel
(that's what it's for.)
You want new lanes, pay for 'em yourselves.

Everybody, driver or not, pays for drivers' lanes.
I'm a non-driver. I pay for your lanes. I also
pay for many of your parking spots. So gimme a
break already.

(B) "Tame traffic" is just code for "make everyone else slow down to
match *MY* speed"; and the answer is "NO".

Apparently you want that horror to continue.

Actually traffic calming is about mitigating hurting/killing
people. Taming-traffic/traffic-calming is all about assuaging
high-volume commuter traffic on adjacent residential streets
that drivers infiltrate to turn into arterial feeder streets.

But if you want to run-over, or feel the right or need to run-over
little girls playing hopscotch in traffic-calmed residential
streets in your rush to get home after work, I guess nobody
can stop ya.

(C) I think I prefer to stay here and occasionally put the fear of God
into lane-blocking bicyclists. It's *good* for 'em!

You're ****ed up with hatred.
It surely must suck to be you.


--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Tom Keats wrote:

Then why do I keep meeting smarter people riding bicycles than
riding motorcycles?

Because we bicyclists have to read the minds of the motor vehicle
operators around us. We often have to do their thinking for them.
We know what they're gonna do before they know what they're gonna
do. Because what they're gonna do is gonna be the most detrimental
thing to us if we aren't heads-up about their brainless movements.

And besides, bicycles are often a more intelligent choice of
vehicle.

I think these two postings are examples of what causes trouble on many
roads. It is an elitist attitude of bicyclists who let car drivers
know how much smarter they are and how much more environmentally their
bicycle (recreation) is than driving a car. As I have often mentioned
here, I ride on many narrow, heavily traveled roads in the Santa Cruz
mountains and rarely have differences with car traffic, except when
with a rider who has the elitist bicyclist mentality.

What may not be apparent to many self righteous bicyclists is that
their body language reveals their disdain for motorized traffic,
eliciting rude and often dangerous behavior in response. As for mind
reading, it doesn't take a seer to understand what the bicyclist out
in the traffic lane is trying to say about his motorized fellow human.

Nothing is safe from me.

Don't ride near me.

Jobst Brandt

In article ,
writes:

I think these two postings are examples of what causes trouble on many
roads.

You are totally wrong.

It is an elitist attitude of bicyclists who let car drivers
know how much smarter they are and how much more environmentally their
bicycle (recreation) is than driving a car.

No it isn't.

As I have often mentioned
here, I ride on many narrow, heavily traveled roads in the Santa Cruz
mountains and rarely have differences with car traffic, except when
with a rider who has the elitist bicyclist mentality.

Good for you. Bully for you!

What may not be apparent to many self righteous bicyclists is that
their body language reveals their disdain for motorized traffic,
eliciting rude and often dangerous behavior in response. As for mind
reading, it doesn't take a seer to understand what the bicyclist out
in the traffic lane is trying to say about his motorized fellow I.

human could try to explain it, but ... sigh

Nothing is safe from me.

Don't ride near me.

Don't worry. I know where I'm not wanted.
Which is pretty much everywhere.

So, we can pretty much avoid each other,
and not get anywhere, nor achieve anything.

Thank you for your kind input.

May the Almighty bless you. But I steer
clear of everybody, which is just what
you want, so be happy.

--
Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

I've heard that some (not all) bicycling advocacy groups
can have that ideological attitude (yer either furrous or
a Guinness) if one doesn't share their ideas of bike lanes
being slap-dashed everywhere as a "safety" panacea.

=v= I have never encountered any such group. Certainly
there are groups that are into bike lanes, but not, in my
experience, with that kind of attitude. Could give some
kind of example?

Of course, there's always the other side of the coin --
those who ideologically don't want bike lanes installed
anywhere at all.

=v= This kind of group, I've run into plenty, and they *do*
have the "agree with our every dogmatic particular or you
are an enemy of bicycling" attitude. Surely you've seen
this afoot in most of the newsgroups this is crossposted to.
_Jym_

[Followups limited to possibly-relevant newsgroups.]

On Oct 17, 9:15*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:

Revolutions are for when The System doesn't work.
But it's been my experience that The System
/does/ work when we approach it with arguments
that transcend "special interest," and connote
the "general good." *Politicians love to take
credit for stuff that makes more people happy
than unhappy. *They also like to get critics
off their backs.

cheers,
* * * * Tom

First off, the Banana Revolution is for Banana Republics and Canada is
not known to grow bananas, even if there's no civilized behavior on
its roads either. Anyway here's the perfect scenario for it...

Originally Posted by -=£em in Pa=-
"Florida is the only place Ive ever lived where I can maintain a
20+mph average.
As stated to the point of painful redndancy, the 3rd world environment
makes
cycling a very undesirable activity to most people anywhere off of the
usual
scenic/tourist routes."

I call it Banana Republic environment, albeit a rather sophisticated
one... Actually it decided the elections the changed the meaning of
democracy...

US: A Sophisticated Banana Republic
The Times of India, December 17, 2000
The US is not on par with banana republics where the winner of a
presidential election is known long before election day. But the US
Supreme Court has just said in an amazing verdict on the Bush-Gore
dispute that Americans have no fundamental right to vote in a
presidential election. In that case, the US looks like and smells like
a banana, no matter howsophisticated its procedures.

http://banana-republic.net/20001217_us_banana.html

http://banana-republic.net/

On Oct 17, 9:29*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * Tim McNamara writes:

Then why do I keep meeting smarter people riding bicycles than riding
motorcycles?

Because we bicyclists have to read the minds of the
motor vehicle operators around us. *We often
have to do their thinking for them. *We know what
they're gonna do before they know what they're
gonna do. *Because what they're gonna do is gonna
be the most detrimental thing to us if we aren't
heads-up about their brainless movements.

And besides, bicycles are often a more intelligent
choice of vehicle.

cheers,
* * * * Tom

You contradict your claim to being smart when you refuse to bring here
the bike facilities that work elsewhere. But it ain't so much that you
are stupid, it's simply that you are elitist and are selfish as
such...

I quote here from someone who have figured out that your kind should
shut up and mind your own business..

"First thing I would do would be to purge snobbish/elitist advocates
from leadership or policy making positions at any publicly funded
bicycling advocacy/educational organization; i.e. the clubby
enthusiast type who believes cycling skill (or advocacy goals) is
defined by being a racer (like himself) or a cyclist (like himself)
who moves consistently at speeds greater than 12mph."

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...=1#post7688868

On Oct 17, 9:45*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * ComandanteBanana writes:

On Oct 17, 9:15*pm, (Tom Keats) wrote:
Revolutions are for when The System doesn't work.
But it's been my experience that The System
/does/ work when we approach it with arguments
that transcend "special interest," and connote
the "general good." *Politicians love to take
credit for stuff that makes more people happy
than unhappy. *They also like to get critics
off their backs.

cheers,
* * * * Tom
I don't know. I feel like taking desperate steps...

We know already.

You yack, yack, yack, but you don't /do/.

You say you want a revolution but all you do
is plant seeds of FUD. *You stir-up contention,
pit people against people, and attempt to destroy
any positive inroads that have been made to integrate
bicycling as a regular & accepted feature of traffic.

In short: you are truly anti-socially and
anti-humanly evil. *I see you for what you are.

You are an elitist bicyclist that is as selfish as those behind the
wheel of an SUV.

But of course, you are in the revolution... You are a collaborator,
right?

On Oct 17, 11:04*pm, wrote:
Tom Keats wrote:
Then why do I keep meeting smarter people riding bicycles than
riding motorcycles?
Because we bicyclists have to read the minds of the motor vehicle
operators around us. *We often have to do their thinking for them.
We know what they're gonna do before they know what they're gonna
do. *Because what they're gonna do is gonna be the most detrimental
thing to us if we aren't heads-up about their brainless movements.
And besides, bicycles are often a more intelligent choice of
vehicle.

I think these two postings are examples of what causes trouble on many
roads. *It is an elitist attitude of bicyclists who let car drivers
know how much smarter they are and how much more environmentally their
bicycle (recreation) is than driving a car. *As I have often mentioned
here, I ride on many narrow, heavily traveled roads in the Santa Cruz
mountains and rarely have differences with car traffic, except when
with a rider who has the elitist bicyclist mentality.

What may not be apparent to many self righteous bicyclists is that
their body language reveals their disdain for motorized traffic,
eliciting rude and often dangerous behavior in response. *As for mind
reading, it doesn't take a seer to understand what the bicyclist out
in the traffic lane is trying to say about his motorized fellow human.

Nothing is safe from me.

Don't ride near me.

Jobst Brandt

Some of the elitist cyclists (not to be confused with the elite
cyclists) are just selfish that want to be like the lion, and yet they
look like a parrot in their colorful lycra suits...

THE PARROT THAT KNEW HOW TO ROAR

Once upon a time, in the deep jungle, there was a Parrot whose
capacity to mimic others impressed everybody. One day, observing that
all the little animals panicked when the King of the Jungle roared,
and fearing for his own life, he learned to roar himself... It
occurred to him that he could form an alliance with the Lion and
partake of his feasts, and even, why not, be revered like a king...

One time, however, the Lion --who happened to be running out of little
animals to hunt and was mighty hungry-- noticed the Parrot, and
roared: "You are exactly what you I'm looking for!" and gulped him
down amid the bird's cries of, "I'm a lion too!"

***

Hey, wannabe lions, don't you understand that everybody hates you?
Including the lion?

On Oct 18, 12:51*am, (Tom Keats) wrote:
In article ,
* * * * writes:

I think these two postings are examples of what causes trouble on many
roads.

You are totally wrong.

* It is an elitist attitude of bicyclists who let car drivers

know how much smarter they are and how much more environmentally their
bicycle (recreation) is than driving a car.

No it isn't.

* As I have often mentioned

here, I ride on many narrow, heavily traveled roads in the Santa Cruz
mountains and rarely have differences with car traffic, except when
with a rider who has the elitist bicyclist mentality.

Good for you. *Bully for you!

Hey, if you **** off the bull, you may get gored.

OK, my plan calls for separate bike facilities and taming traffic, but
not slower by any means, just smarter. Bring experts from Germany
(unlimited speeds) and Holland (bike facilities), and retire 50% of
drivers. Yes, we are better off with them riding bikes.

Of course, that's also the official position of the revolution.