The triumph of Tom Sherman

On Oct 19, 5:05*pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
I knew characters like Tom Sherman (he is a civil engineer) when I was in
high school and college. They learn how to operate a tool, such as a slide
rule, and they are forever ruined by it. Yea, a little knowledge is a
dangerous thing!

You're not very observant, are you, Eddie? Tom, unlike the majority of
engineers on the net, is unfailingly courteous.

The most valuable lesson anyone can learn in life is just how stupid they
are. I learned that with finality when I frequented the literary and musical
salons of New York when I was in my 20's. It is a humbling experience, but
the sooner you learn it, the better off you will be.

Huh? The literary and musical salons of NY are designed to keep out
people like you. Very few of real talent frequent them -- I used them
to pick up business for my ad agency. Those of real talent are away
brawling and wife-swapping, and sometimes even creating.

Now we have jerks today who have been forever ruined by the computer, just
another tool not much different from the slide rule. The best cure for this
type of ignorance and stupidity is to confront the greatest minds of all
time in their own words in written texts (books).

Now, for once, Eddie, you have your hand on something that is more
than half right. But it is such an obvious truth, it hardly needs
stating.

Once you have done this,
you are on your way to becoming wise. That is the one and only purpose of a
liberal arts education. I truly feel sorry for anyone who has missed out on
such an education.

While I agree that engineering schools could make a bigger effort to
humanize their throughput (I'd hardly call them students, as they
don't study anything, they just assimilate facts), I see no difference
between liberal arts courses at all but the best universities and
basket weaving courses at community colleges. People with brains who
aren't destined to be techies study philosophy and econonomics, or
their applied versions, politics, law, business, and medicine.

Tom Sherman will proceed in his life thinking he knows more and better than
anyone else,

But Tom does know better than 98 per cent of people, who don't know
**** and aren't the least interested or capable of enquiring. So will
you be, probably, when you grow up, dear Eddie.

never realizing that anyone can proceed like that provided the
blinders are never removed. I urge Tom Sherman to repair to the cafes on the
Champs-Elysees or to those on the Left Bank in Paris where he can discuss
intellectual matters with his superiors over glasses of aperitifs.

You're wanking again, Eddie. Shouldn't that make a good Catholic like
you feel terminally guilty?

And you're thicker than two short planks, dear Eddie, if you cannot
see that Tom is already sitting in a virtual Left Bank cafe (your
delusion that anything but trendiness is discussed on the Champs-
Elysees in Paris is amusing) by simply coming on the net and
discussing matters of high politics with all and sundry, including
you'n'me. (We'll leave it to everyone else to judge who makes the
greater contribution to The Education of The Engineers.)

That is
one sure way of learning your limitations even from so despicable a race as
the swinish French!

This from a guy who takes four tries to get the eyeholes in his white
hood lined up with his eyes!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Yeah, you always get at least one thing right: you're a sorry little
obsessed ****.

Andre Jute
The real thing -- (slogan I invented for the Wool Board, appropriated
by all and sundry)

André Jute wrote:
On Oct 19, 5:05 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
I knew characters like Tom Sherman (he is a civil engineer) when I was in
high school and college. They learn how to operate a tool, such as a slide
rule, and they are forever ruined by it. Yea, a little knowledge is a
dangerous thing!

You're not very observant, are you, Eddie? Tom, unlike the majority of
engineers on the net, is unfailingly courteous.

The most valuable lesson anyone can learn in life is just how stupid they
are. I learned that with finality when I frequented the literary and musical
salons of New York when I was in my 20's. It is a humbling experience, but
the sooner you learn it, the better off you will be.

Huh? The literary and musical salons of NY are designed to keep out
people like you. Very few of real talent frequent them -- I used them
to pick up business for my ad agency. Those of real talent are away
brawling and wife-swapping, and sometimes even creating.

Now we have jerks today who have been forever ruined by the computer, just
another tool not much different from the slide rule. The best cure for this
type of ignorance and stupidity is to confront the greatest minds of all
time in their own words in written texts (books).

Now, for once, Eddie, you have your hand on something that is more
than half right. But it is such an obvious truth, it hardly needs
stating.

Once you have done this,
you are on your way to becoming wise. That is the one and only purpose of a
liberal arts education. I truly feel sorry for anyone who has missed out on
such an education.

While I agree that engineering schools could make a bigger effort to
humanize their throughput (I'd hardly call them students, as they
don't study anything, they just assimilate facts), I see no difference
between liberal arts courses at all but the best universities and
basket weaving courses at community colleges. People with brains who
aren't destined to be techies study philosophy and econonomics, or
their applied versions, politics, law, business, and medicine.

Tom Sherman will proceed in his life thinking he knows more and better than
anyone else,

But Tom does know better than 98 per cent of people, who don't know
**** and aren't the least interested or capable of enquiring. So will
you be, probably, when you grow up, dear Eddie.

never realizing that anyone can proceed like that provided the
blinders are never removed. I urge Tom Sherman to repair to the cafes on the
Champs-Elysees or to those on the Left Bank in Paris where he can discuss
intellectual matters with his superiors over glasses of aperitifs.

You're wanking again, Eddie. Shouldn't that make a good Catholic like
you feel terminally guilty?

And you're thicker than two short planks, dear Eddie, if you cannot
see that Tom is already sitting in a virtual Left Bank cafe (your
delusion that anything but trendiness is discussed on the Champs-
Elysees in Paris is amusing) by simply coming on the net and
discussing matters of high politics with all and sundry, including
you'n'me. (We'll leave it to everyone else to judge who makes the
greater contribution to The Education of The Engineers.)

That is
one sure way of learning your limitations even from so despicable a race as
the swinish French!

This from a guy who takes four tries to get the eyeholes in his white
hood lined up with his eyes!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Yeah, you always get at least one thing right: you're a sorry little
obsessed ****.

Andre Jute
The real thing -- (slogan I invented for the Wool Board, appropriated
by all and sundry)

Ed Dolan will miss your words if this is not posted to ARBR.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.

On Oct 19, 7:38*pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
André Jute wrote:
On Oct 19, 5:05 pm, "Edward Dolan" wrote:
I knew characters like Tom Sherman (he is a civil engineer) when I was in
high school and college. They learn how to operate a tool, such as a slide
rule, and they are forever ruined by it. Yea, a little knowledge is a
dangerous thing!

You're not very observant, are you, Eddie? Tom, unlike the majority of
engineers on the net, is unfailingly courteous.

The most valuable lesson anyone can learn in life is just how stupid they
are. I learned that with finality when I frequented the literary and musical
salons of New York when I was in my 20's. It is a humbling experience, but
the sooner you learn it, the better off you will be.

Huh? The literary and musical salons of NY are designed to keep out
people like you. Very few of real talent frequent them -- I used them
to pick up business for my ad agency. Those of real talent are away
brawling and wife-swapping, and sometimes even creating.

Now we have jerks today who have been forever ruined by the computer, just
another tool not much different from the slide rule. The best cure for this
type of ignorance and stupidity is to confront the greatest minds of all
time in their own words in written texts (books).

Now, for once, Eddie, you have your hand on something that is more
than half right. But it is such an obvious truth, it hardly needs
stating.

Once you have done this,
you are on your way to becoming wise. That is the one and only purpose of a
liberal arts education. I truly feel sorry for anyone who has missed out on
such an education.

While I agree that engineering schools could make a bigger effort to
humanize their throughput (I'd hardly call them students, as they
don't study anything, they just assimilate facts), I see no difference
between liberal arts courses at all but the best universities and
basket weaving courses at community colleges. People with brains who
aren't destined to be techies study philosophy and econonomics, or
their applied versions, politics, law, business, and medicine.

Tom Sherman will proceed in his life thinking he knows more and better than
anyone else,

But Tom does know better than 98 per cent of people, who don't know
**** and aren't the least interested or capable of enquiring. So will
you be, probably, when you grow up, dear Eddie.

never realizing that anyone can proceed like that provided the
blinders are never removed. I urge Tom Sherman to repair to the cafes on the
Champs-Elysees or to those on the Left Bank in Paris where he can discuss
intellectual matters with his superiors over glasses of aperitifs.

You're wanking again, Eddie. Shouldn't that make a good Catholic like
you feel terminally guilty?

And you're thicker than two short planks, dear Eddie, if you cannot
see that Tom is already sitting in a virtual Left Bank cafe (your
delusion that anything but trendiness is discussed on the Champs-
Elysees in Paris is amusing) by simply coming on the net and
discussing matters of high politics with all and sundry, including
you'n'me. (We'll leave it to everyone else to judge who makes the
greater contribution to The Education of The Engineers.)

That is
one sure way of learning your limitations even from so despicable a race as
the swinish French!

This from a guy who takes four tries to get the eyeholes in his white
hood lined up with his eyes!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Yeah, you always get at least one thing right: you're a sorry little
obsessed ****.

Andre Jute
The real thing -- (slogan I invented for the Wool Board, appropriated
by all and sundry)

Ed Dolan will miss your words if this is not posted to ARBR.

Quite. What makes you think I have the patience to illuminate a
mindless slug like Dolan? So, if you post up my remarks to ARBR, cut
out RBT from the distribution list. We have enough pointless ******s
already; we don't need blow-ins from ARBR like Dolan. All this
insistent crossposting is symptomatic of a troll. In person, it would
mark an unacceptably pushy individual.

Andre Jute
Too old to waste time on being polite and patient with surplus people

André Jute wrote:
On Oct 19, 7:38 pm, Tom Sherman
wrote:
[...]
Ed Dolan will miss your words if this is not posted to ARBR.

Quite. What makes you think I have the patience to illuminate a
mindless slug like Dolan? So, if you post up my remarks to ARBR, cut
out RBT from the distribution list. We have enough pointless ******s
already; we don't need blow-ins from ARBR like Dolan. All this
insistent crossposting is symptomatic of a troll. In person, it would
mark an unacceptably pushy individual.

What write a reply obviously addressed to Ed Dolan if for not to him to
read it? To impress the rest of us with your response?

Andre Jute
Too old to waste time on being polite and patient with surplus people

Surplus people = worthless eaters? If so, most of us fall into that
category.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
If you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the precipitate.

In article
,
Andre Jute wrote:


While I agree that engineering schools could make a bigger effort to
humanize their throughput (I'd hardly call them students, as they
don't study anything, they just assimilate facts), I see no difference
between liberal arts courses at all but the best universities and
basket weaving courses at community colleges. People with brains who
aren't destined to be techies study philosophy and econonomics, or
their applied versions, politics, law, business, and medicine.

First, a well educated person is someone who participated
in his own education. No exceptions.

How do you discriminate a well educated engineer from a
well educated liberal arts major?

C.P. Snow's observation holds today. Your typical engineer
knows plenty about Shakespeare's plays, and your typical,
or even superior, liberal arts major knows bugger all
about geometry.

Finally, mathematics is one of the liberal arts. A year
of geometry and a year of abstract algebra should be
requirements for a liberal arts diploma. Ask me why.

--
Michael Press

The reason why the seven stars are
no more than seven is a pretty reason.

Michael Press demands to know:

How do you discriminate a well educated engineer from a
well educated liberal arts major?

You can tell either a poorly educated engineer or a poorly educated
liberal arts major by the way he "discriminates" one person from
another. A well educated person distinguishes people one from the
other.

Puffed-up language doesn't inflate pompous idiots, it merely causes
them to fart at both ends.

Andre Jute
The language is our first line of defense against barbarism. We should
take care not to put politically correct barbarians in control of it.

On Oct 20, 11:52*pm, Michael Press wrote:
In article
,
*Andre Jute wrote:



While I agree that engineering schools could make a bigger effort to
humanize their throughput (I'd hardly call them students, as they
don't study anything, they just assimilate facts), I see no difference
between liberal arts courses at all but the best universities and
basket weaving courses at community colleges. People with brains who
aren't destined to be techies study philosophy and econonomics, or
their applied versions, politics, law, business, and medicine.

First, a well educated person is someone who participated
in his own education. No exceptions.

How do you discriminate a well educated engineer from a
well educated liberal arts major?

C.P. Snow's observation holds today. Your typical engineer
knows plenty about Shakespeare's plays, and your typical,
or even superior, liberal arts major knows bugger all
about geometry.

Finally, mathematics is one of the liberal arts. A year
of geometry and a year of abstract algebra should be
requirements for a liberal arts diploma. Ask me why.

--
Michael Press

The reason why the seven stars are
no more than seven is a pretty reason.

In article
,
Andre Jute wrote:

Michael Press demands to know:

How do you discriminate a well educated engineer from a
well educated liberal arts major?

You can tell either a poorly educated engineer or a poorly educated
liberal arts major by the way he "discriminates" one person from
another. A well educated person distinguishes people one from the
other.

Puffed-up language doesn't inflate pompous idiots, it merely causes
them to fart at both ends.

Andre Jute
The language is our first line of defense against barbarism. We should
take care not to put politically correct barbarians in control of it.

Then why do you take exception to me using `discriminate'?

Dis*crim"i*nate (?), a. [L. discriminatus, p. p. of
discriminare to divide, separate, fr. discrimen division,
distinction, decision, fr. discernere. See Discern, and
cf. Criminate.] Having the difference marked; distinguished
by certain tokens. Bacon.

Dis*crim"i*nate (?), v. t. [imp. & p. p. Discriminated
(?); p. pr. & vb. n. Discriminating (?).] To set apart
as being different; to mark as different; to separate
from another by discerning differences; to distinguish.
Cowper.

To discriminate the goats from the sheep. Barrow.


On Oct 20, 11:52*pm, Michael Press wrote:
In article
,
*Andre Jute wrote:



While I agree that engineering schools could make a bigger effort to
humanize their throughput (I'd hardly call them students, as they
don't study anything, they just assimilate facts), I see no difference
between liberal arts courses at all but the best universities and
basket weaving courses at community colleges. People with brains who
aren't destined to be techies study philosophy and econonomics, or
their applied versions, politics, law, business, and medicine.

First, a well educated person is someone who participated
in his own education. No exceptions.

How do you discriminate a well educated engineer from a
well educated liberal arts major?

C.P. Snow's observation holds today. Your typical engineer
knows plenty about Shakespeare's plays, and your typical,
or even superior, liberal arts major knows bugger all
about geometry.

Finally, mathematics is one of the liberal arts. A year
of geometry and a year of abstract algebra should be
requirements for a liberal arts diploma. Ask me why.

--
Michael Press

The reason why the seven stars are
no more than seven is a pretty reason.

--
Michael Press

Since you insist, Mickey, I'll go further. I'll say that wellspoken
people, who always turn out to be well-educated somehow, even in hedge
schools, would simply say that they *know* the difference between two
people. I repeat, only someone trying too hard "discriminates" between
two people, unless one belongs to a minority and the other doesn't. --
AJ

PS On second thoughts, yeah, you could use "discriminate" to
distinguish, say, me from you. I have discrimination whereas you
merely think you know what is trendy.

On Oct 21, 2:35*am, Michael Press wrote:
In article
,
*Andre Jute wrote:



Michael Press demands to know:

How do you discriminate a well educated engineer from a
well educated liberal arts major?

You can tell either a poorly educated engineer or a poorly educated
liberal arts major by the way he "discriminates" one person from
another. A well educated person distinguishes people one from the
other.

Puffed-up language doesn't inflate pompous idiots, it merely causes
them to fart at both ends.

Andre Jute
The language is our first line of defense against barbarism. We should
take care not to put politically correct barbarians in control of it.

Then why do you take exception to me using `discriminate'?

Dis*crim"i*nate (?), a. [L. discriminatus, p. p. of
discriminare to divide, separate, fr. discrimen division,
distinction, decision, fr. discernere. See Discern, and
cf. Criminate.] Having the difference marked; distinguished
by certain tokens. Bacon.

Dis*crim"i*nate (?), v. t. [imp. *& p. p. Discriminated
(?); p. pr. & vb. n. Discriminating (?).] To set apart
as being different; to mark as different; to separate
from another by discerning differences; to distinguish.
Cowper.

To discriminate the goats from the sheep. Barrow.





On Oct 20, 11:52*pm, Michael Press wrote:
In article
,
*Andre Jute wrote:

While I agree that engineering schools could make a bigger effort to
humanize their throughput (I'd hardly call them students, as they
don't study anything, they just assimilate facts), I see no difference
between liberal arts courses at all but the best universities and
basket weaving courses at community colleges. People with brains who
aren't destined to be techies study philosophy and econonomics, or
their applied versions, politics, law, business, and medicine.

First, a well educated person is someone who participated
in his own education. No exceptions.

How do you discriminate a well educated engineer from a
well educated liberal arts major?

C.P. Snow's observation holds today. Your typical engineer
knows plenty about Shakespeare's plays, and your typical,
or even superior, liberal arts major knows bugger all
about geometry.

Finally, mathematics is one of the liberal arts. A year
of geometry and a year of abstract algebra should be
requirements for a liberal arts diploma. Ask me why.

--
Michael Press

The reason why the seven stars are
no more than seven is a pretty reason.

--
Michael Press

Andre Jute wrote:
Since you insist, Mickey, I'll go further. I'll say that wellspoken
people, who always turn out to be well-educated somehow, even in hedge
schools, would simply say that they *know* the difference between two
people. I repeat, only someone trying too hard "discriminates" between
two people, unless one belongs to a minority and the other doesn't. --
AJ

PS On second thoughts, yeah, you could use "discriminate" to
distinguish, say, me from you. I have discrimination whereas you
merely think you know what is trendy.

On Oct 21, 2:35 am, Michael Press wrote:
In article
,
Andre Jute wrote:



Michael Press demands to know:
How do you discriminate a well educated engineer from a
well educated liberal arts major?
You can tell either a poorly educated engineer or a poorly educated
liberal arts major by the way he "discriminates" one person from
another. A well educated person distinguishes people one from the
other.
Puffed-up language doesn't inflate pompous idiots, it merely causes
them to fart at both ends.
Andre Jute
The language is our first line of defense against barbarism. We should
take care not to put politically correct barbarians in control of it.
Then why do you take exception to me using `discriminate'?

Dis*crim"i*nate (?), a. [L. discriminatus, p. p. of
discriminare to divide, separate, fr. discrimen division,
distinction, decision, fr. discernere. See Discern, and
cf. Criminate.] Having the difference marked; distinguished
by certain tokens. Bacon.

Dis*crim"i*nate (?), v. t. [imp. & p. p. Discriminated
(?); p. pr. & vb. n. Discriminating (?).] To set apart
as being different; to mark as different; to separate
from another by discerning differences; to distinguish.
Cowper.

To discriminate the goats from the sheep. Barrow.





On Oct 20, 11:52 pm, Michael Press wrote:
In article
,
Andre Jute wrote:
While I agree that engineering schools could make a bigger effort to
humanize their throughput (I'd hardly call them students, as they
don't study anything, they just assimilate facts), I see no difference
between liberal arts courses at all but the best universities and
basket weaving courses at community colleges. People with brains who
aren't destined to be techies study philosophy and econonomics, or
their applied versions, politics, law, business, and medicine.
First, a well educated person is someone who participated
in his own education. No exceptions.
How do you discriminate a well educated engineer from a
well educated liberal arts major?
C.P. Snow's observation holds today. Your typical engineer
knows plenty about Shakespeare's plays, and your typical,
or even superior, liberal arts major knows bugger all
about geometry.
Finally, mathematics is one of the liberal arts. A year
of geometry and a year of abstract algebra should be
requirements for a liberal arts diploma. Ask me why.
--
Michael Press
The reason why the seven stars are
no more than seven is a pretty reason.
--
Michael Press

You're giving education a bad name. See if you can get a refund.

Moike