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Old June 13th 09, 07:11 AM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12573813

We can all agree that it's a nice photo of two volunteers helping a
disabled child enjoy a hand-cranked tricycle.

But . . .

The happy child couldn't fall and hit his head unless one of the two
volunteers on either side decided to tip his tricycle over.

According to the article, nine-year-old Bryce uses a wheelchair
regularly and is good at fencing, so he's not likely to topple over
while just riding around.

If a tricycle is so dangerous that the kid needs a helmet to ride one
with two volunteers walking next to him and holding on, shouldn't the
volunteers be wearing helmets, too?

After all, they're obviously more likely to trip over the cones or the
tricycle wheels and to fall farther and hit the ground harder than the
tricyclist.

Maybe they would have felt silly if they wore helmets?

In the background are two other helmeted tricyclists, riding around
the parking lot.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel
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Old June 13th 09, 01:29 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On 13 Jun., 08:11, wrote:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12573813

We can all agree that it's a nice photo of two volunteers helping a
disabled child enjoy a hand-cranked tricycle.

But . . .

The happy child couldn't fall and hit his head unless one of the two
volunteers on either side decided to tip his tricycle over.


Don't underestimate the power of an epileptic attack; they can snap
bones if the seizure patient is restrained, tipping over a tricycle
during a seizure can be done if the attack is severe enough.
Lots of handicaps are associated with brain damage that again is
associated with epilepsy. Epileptics really should avoid even minor
brain concussions, and since seizures or spastic attacks comes without
any warning, it is understandably that the organizers issued a
"everybody must wear a helmet" order.


According to the article, nine-year-old Bryce uses a wheelchair
regularly and is good at fencing, so he's not likely to topple over
while just riding around.


That the kid on the picture may have more problems than merely non-
functional legs seems underscored by the fact that the two helpers are
tracking him so closely, while the kids in the background are cycling
unattended.
Also, notice the AFAIK huge black velcro strap across his belly (his t-
shirt is green) and the chair. He is likely spastic, epileptic or
have some other brain/nerve deficiency that makes that necessary.

If a tricycle is so dangerous that the kid needs a helmet to ride one
with two volunteers walking next to him and holding on, shouldn't the
volunteers be wearing helmets, too?


It doesn't look like a normal bicycle helmet he is wearing, but some
kind of soft helmet like boxers uses for training. Some handicapped
people wears such helmets all the time, perhaps for being autistic
self-harmers or because they have balance problems perhaps combined
with conditions that makes it very important that they don't even get
minor head traumas. The kid in the picture is very likely in a special
risk situation.

Here is another wheelchair user, but with a full face helmet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc1YdL_w1Hg

--
Regards
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Old June 13th 09, 02:28 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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aka Carl Fogel wrote:
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12573813

We can all agree that it's a nice photo of two volunteers helping a
disabled child enjoy a hand-cranked tricycle.

But . . .

The happy child couldn't fall and hit his head unless one of the two
volunteers on either side decided to tip his tricycle over.[...]


Maybe the child rides in motor vehicles, gardens, takes baths and
participates in other high head injury risk activities.

--
Tom Sherman - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.
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Old June 13th 09, 04:59 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Jun 13, 8:29*am, "Peter S." wrote:
On 13 Jun., 08:11, wrote:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12573813


We can all agree that it's a nice photo of two volunteers helping a
disabled child enjoy a hand-cranked tricycle.


But *. . .


The happy child couldn't fall and hit his head unless one of the two
volunteers on either side decided to tip his tricycle over.


Don't underestimate the power of an epileptic attack; they can snap
bones if the seizure patient is restrained, tipping over a tricycle
during a seizure can be done if the attack is severe enough.
Lots of handicaps are associated with brain damage that again is
associated with epilepsy. Epileptics really should avoid even minor
brain concussions, and since seizures or spastic attacks comes without
any warning, it is understandably that the organizers issued a
"everybody must wear a helmet" order.


I recall once seeing a handicapped young man, accompanied by his
father, wearing a helmet in a restaurant. But that was the only time
I'd seen such a thing.

I once had a student who suffered a grand mal seizure - a truly
frightening experience for me - but he never wore a helmet at school,
AFAIK.

Perhaps the reason bike helmets are promoted so heavily is that people
expect a great many seizures among bicyclists?

- Frank Krygowski
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Old June 13th 09, 05:23 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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"Frank Krygowski" wrote: I recall once seeing a handicapped young man,
accompanied by his
father, wearing a helmet in a restaurant. But that was the only time
I'd seen such a thing.

I once had a student who suffered a grand mal seizure - a truly
frightening experience for me - but he never wore a helmet at school,
AFAIK.

Perhaps the reason bike helmets are promoted so heavily is that people
expect a great many seizures among bicyclists?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Carl's post sounded very reasonable, but then I read what Peter S.
wrote--his explanation is very reasonable, and seems well grounded. Your
response sounds like a desperate, doctrinaire obfuscation.


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Old June 13th 09, 05:38 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Jun 13, 11:23 am, "Leo Lichtman" wrote:
"Frank Krygowski" wrote: I recall once seeing a handicapped young man,

accompanied by his
father, wearing a helmet in a restaurant. But that was the only time
I'd seen such a thing.


I once had a student who suffered a grand mal seizure - a truly
frightening experience for me - but he never wore a helmet at school,
AFAIK.


Perhaps the reason bike helmets are promoted so heavily is that people
expect a great many seizures among bicyclists?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Carl's post sounded very reasonable, but then I read what Peter S.
wrote--his explanation is very reasonable, and seems well grounded. Your
response sounds like a desperate, doctrinaire obfuscation.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IOW, it is very similar to most of Perfesser Krygo's posts on the
subject of helmets! ;-)
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Old June 13th 09, 05:44 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Jun 13, 6:28*am, Tom Sherman °_°
wrote:
aka Carl Fogel wrote:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12573813


We can all agree that it's a nice photo of two volunteers helping a
disabled child enjoy a hand-cranked tricycle.


But *. . .


The happy child couldn't fall and hit his head unless one of the two
volunteers on either side decided to tip his tricycle over.[...]


Maybe the child rides in motor vehicles, gardens, takes baths and
participates in other high head injury risk activities.


Or as stated above, maybe he has a seizure disorder? Or maybe there
is a law in the state requiring all children under the age of 16 to
wear a helmet, and they are following the law? Or maybe the
organizers are required by their insurance companies to have
participants wear helmets? Or maybe they are just super cautious
because these kids are already so disabled that dropping them on their
heads while doing a transfer would cause them great discomfort? -- Jay
Beattie.
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Old June 13th 09, 06:37 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 09:23:22 -0700, "Leo Lichtman"
wrote:


"Frank Krygowski" wrote: I recall once seeing a handicapped young man,
accompanied by his
father, wearing a helmet in a restaurant. But that was the only time
I'd seen such a thing.

I once had a student who suffered a grand mal seizure - a truly
frightening experience for me - but he never wore a helmet at school,
AFAIK.

Perhaps the reason bike helmets are promoted so heavily is that people
expect a great many seizures among bicyclists?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Carl's post sounded very reasonable, but then I read what Peter S.
wrote--his explanation is very reasonable, and seems well grounded. Your
response sounds like a desperate, doctrinaire obfuscation.


Maybe they gave the original kid a helmet because other kids who can
hit their heads have them, and they want to make him feel like he fits
in. Or like kids who visit the fire deparment are given helmets to
wear even though they don't actually go into burning buildings.
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Old June 13th 09, 07:13 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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Leo Lichtman wrote:

Carl's post sounded very reasonable, but then I read what Peter S.
wrote--his explanation is very reasonable, and seems well grounded. Your
response sounds like a desperate, doctrinaire obfuscation.


Consistency is very important.
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Old June 13th 09, 07:50 PM posted to rec.bicycles.tech
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:29:44 -0700 (PDT), "Peter S."
wrote:

On 13 Jun., 08:11, wrote:

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_12573813

We can all agree that it's a nice photo of two volunteers helping a
disabled child enjoy a hand-cranked tricycle.

But . . .

The happy child couldn't fall and hit his head unless one of the two
volunteers on either side decided to tip his tricycle over.


Don't underestimate the power of an epileptic attack; they can snap
bones if the seizure patient is restrained, tipping over a tricycle
during a seizure can be done if the attack is severe enough.
Lots of handicaps are associated with brain damage that again is
associated with epilepsy. Epileptics really should avoid even minor
brain concussions, and since seizures or spastic attacks comes without
any warning, it is understandably that the organizers issued a
"everybody must wear a helmet" order.


According to the article, nine-year-old Bryce uses a wheelchair
regularly and is good at fencing, so he's not likely to topple over
while just riding around.


That the kid on the picture may have more problems than merely non-
functional legs seems underscored by the fact that the two helpers are
tracking him so closely, while the kids in the background are cycling
unattended.
Also, notice the AFAIK huge black velcro strap across his belly (his t-
shirt is green) and the chair. He is likely spastic, epileptic or
have some other brain/nerve deficiency that makes that necessary.

If a tricycle is so dangerous that the kid needs a helmet to ride one
with two volunteers walking next to him and holding on, shouldn't the
volunteers be wearing helmets, too?


It doesn't look like a normal bicycle helmet he is wearing, but some
kind of soft helmet like boxers uses for training. Some handicapped
people wears such helmets all the time, perhaps for being autistic
self-harmers or because they have balance problems perhaps combined
with conditions that makes it very important that they don't even get
minor head traumas. The kid in the picture is very likely in a special
risk situation.

Here is another wheelchair user, but with a full face helmet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc1YdL_w1Hg


Dear Peter,

Could be.

But what about the other two helmeted kids in the background on
tricycles? No helpers, but helmets in a parking lot.

And what about these happy children in another recent Denver post
article?
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_12481734

There's no hint in the article that they're suffering from any
problems whatsoever. They're just kids riding bicycles with training
wheels and helmets.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

 




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