Divorce Your Car --and get into a relationship with a Bike!

In article , Bill Funk wrote:

Also there is probably a fair number of other reasons for invading
including having a base of operations in the region and generally
causing instability, which increases prices further. A bombing then calm
for years then a bombing doesn't keep the prices as high as invasion and
instability every day.

Wow. A nice conspiracy, there. And, like most such, it requires no
actual evidence.

What was the actual evidence the reason was WMDs? Oh, GWB said so. and he
_never_ lies, right?

The president wants to do X for reason Y. He knows the nation isn't going
to go for reason Y, so he tells them reason Z. That's politics. That's
how things work.

Billions of dollars is more than enough enough excuse.

Go ahead, enjoy your six pack and $3.35/gal gasoline and believe
everything the government does is in your best interest. Never mind in
the history of man, governments have consistantly acted in _their_ best
interest and the personal best interests of those who are well connected,
etc and so forth.

Nah... that could never happen in the USA.... never... there's no
corruption in government. It's all wacky conspirsy theory to think that
someone would do something corrupt for billions of dollars... sure, the
mayor of podunk, Ohio might use city workers and materials to fix his
driveway or something like that, but a scheme of using government office to
make billions of dollars... nahh... nobody would ever, ever, do such
thing. It's unthinkable crazy talk to have friends in government
undertake actions that will make one billions of dollars... completely
crazy.


aproximately 3E6 bpd. About equal to that of the world's 3rd largest
exporter.

And what percentage was that?
About 10% of the world's oil output.
And with India and China requiring more and more (more than that 10%),
the effect of the loss of Iraq's output on the world market can't be
the cause of the increased oil price.

I didn't say it was the only cause. I stated it was _a_ cause.

Matthew Russotto wrote:
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/vehicles...t_fotw221.html

Which shows rail, covering a wide range. Philadelphia light rail uses
5828 BTU/passenger mile, and heavy rail 4001 BTU/passenger mile.

Save energy: Close SEPTA.


Save energy: ban SUVs. Save more energy: promote bikes.

Matthew Russotto wrote:
In article ,
Mike Kruger wrote:

2. Full buses going relatively short distances ARE fuel efficient. Where do
we see these conditions? In the densely populated areas of major cities. We
don't see these conditions in exurbia, and are likely never going to see
them. This likely means that, in the long term, exurbia will not be a great
place to live. Short term, though, they are building houses like crazy out
there.

Another vote for packing people like sardines, both at home and in transit.

And SUVs are for sharks.


Public transit isn't a panacea, it's a tool.

Public transit is welfare. For the poor (buses), middle class
(commuter rail) and rich (Amtrak) respectively (though roughly).
--

And who for the bikes, the indigents?

Bill Funk wrote:
"The political and commercial morals of the United States are not
merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet."

Being laughed at is a good thing if you intend to be laughed at.
Comedians aim to be laughed at.
But making yourself look silly while trying to move an agenda forward
doesn't help you any.
--

Quixote was meant to be laughed at. But this time we mean to laugh at
everything that's not worthy of respect, starting with politics and
politicians.

"History has tried hard to teach us that we can't have good government
under politicians. Now, to go and stick one at the very head of the
government couldn't be wise." -Mark Twain

Bill Funk wrote:
Well, Bush went into Iraq to liberate them and bring them democracy...

It may have escaped your attention while you were out doing whatever
it is you do with sheep, but...
Iraq has progressed far more towards democracy in the short time it's
had than we did after we booted Britain out.
You probably think Washington was our first president.
--

America must have been a wild place back then. Many suicide attacks?

Back then the Indians were the terrorists, no???

"Matthew Russotto" wrote in message
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In article ,
Mike Kruger wrote:

2. Full buses going relatively short distances ARE fuel efficient. Where
do
we see these conditions? In the densely populated areas of major cities.
We
don't see these conditions in exurbia, and are likely never going to see
them. This likely means that, in the long term, exurbia will not be a
great
place to live. Short term, though, they are building houses like crazy
out
there.

Another vote for packing people like sardines, both at home and in
transit.

Public transit isn't a panacea, it's a tool.

Public transit is welfare. For the poor (buses), middle class
(commuter rail) and rich (Amtrak) respectively (though roughly).
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices
can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

Bill Funk wrote:
On 2 Aug 2006 07:14:30 -0700, "donquijote1954"
wrote:


Bill Funk wrote:
It's a *MOVIE* for pete's sake. They had writers who are paid to come
up with such lines, not to believe in them.

No, it's satire, meant to attack a corrupt system. You know, they may
not have gotten away with it otherwise...

Who would have stopped them?

Nobody would have invested in the movie, for a start. They would have
pulled the plug.

Try to make a movie about a Palestinian superhero fighting the evil
Israeli invaders. But you can have a movie about a Jewish pianist who
sits there and play piano while the evil Nazis go all around killing
people.

You know who the bad guys always are, right? Yep, Palestinians and
Nazis.

dgk wrote:
Project for a New American Century. Not WMD, not 9/11, not "freeing
the Iraqi People". World control is what it is about. Of course,
they're pretty inept so we ended up handing Iraq to the Committee For
The Islamic Revolution In Iraq. Great victory for America. But that
wasn't the Plan. The Plan was to turn Iraq over to Rumsfeld's friend
Chalabi. You know about him? The guy giving Judith Miller the scoop on
the WMDs? Here, a little reminder of our friend:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072806Z.shtml

We got all the wrong friends in the rigth places ($$$). Why didn't we
invade Cuba that got sugar cane and tobacco?

In rec.bicycles.misc Matthew Russotto wrote:
Mike Kruger wrote:

Public transit isn't a panacea, it's a tool.

Public transit is welfare. For the poor (buses), middle class
(commuter rail) and rich (Amtrak) respectively (though roughly).

So, if it's public transit it's welfare, but if it's spent on roads for
automobiles it's a wise infrastructure decision? Hmmm, curious.

--
Dane Buson -
"For three days after death hair and fingernails continue to grow but
phone calls taper off."
-- Johnny Carson

In article ,
Dane Buson wrote:
In rec.bicycles.misc Matthew Russotto wrote:
Mike Kruger wrote:

Public transit isn't a panacea, it's a tool.

Public transit is welfare. For the poor (buses), middle class
(commuter rail) and rich (Amtrak) respectively (though roughly).

So, if it's public transit it's welfare, but if it's spent on roads for
automobiles it's a wise infrastructure decision? Hmmm, curious.

The money for roads largely comes from drivers. The money for buses
and rail largely comes from (wait for it....) drivers.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.