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Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 20 July 2020 00:10:49 UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
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At some time in the future, the US will need to deal with the issue of
states rights vs federal control. So far, the feds are winning.
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Didn't that happen from 1860 to 1865?

But this time, it might be "1860 Italy" (or 1860 Russia?)
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/07/13/is-this-awokening-a-revolution-or-not/

Unfortunately, Lasch is not available anymore to comment.


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On 7/20/2020 6:44 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
Sir Ridesalot wrote:
On Monday, 20 July 2020 00:10:49 UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
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At some time in the future, the US will need to deal with the issue of
states rights vs federal control. So far, the feds are winning.
Snipped

Didn't that happen from 1860 to 1865?

But this time, it might be "1860 Italy" (or 1860 Russia?)
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/07/13/is-this-awokening-a-revolution-or-not/

Unfortunately, Lasch is not available anymore to comment.



Thanks for that; insightful.

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On 7/20/2020 5:50 AM, sms wrote:
On 7/19/2020 1:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:

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A normal president would talk to justice about increasing the number
of US Marshals to protect federal court property or talk to DHS/FPS to
work with PPB to coordinate protection of federal court property --
build coalitions, put out fires, etc., etc.Â* Not Trump. Send storm
troopers with zero local coordination and throw gallons of gas on fire
for tough talk and photo op in the Rose Garden. Walk to church, waive
bible upside down then go play 18 holes -- maybe throw in some
COVID-19 denial.Â* Rinse lather repeat. It's exhausting.

Trumps hard-core base loves all this. Hopefully there aren't enough
Covidiots to get him re-elected.

Hopefully they all get together for mass hugs and kisses long before
election day.

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- Frank Krygowski

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 02:31:47 -0700 (PDT), Sir Ridesalot
wrote:

On Monday, 20 July 2020 00:10:49 UTC-4, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
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At some time in the future, the US will need to deal with the issue of
states rights vs federal control. So far, the feds are winning.

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sniff

Didn't that happen from 1860 to 1865?

Not really.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States%27_rights
https://www.britannica.com/topic/states-rights
The 10th amendment to the US constitution reserved all power not
specifically granted the federal government to the States.

The power struggle continued after the Civil War. The Pullman Strike
of 1894 again brought the states rights vs federal intervention issue
to the foreground:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman_Strike
https://www.britannica.com/event/Pullman-Strike
President Grover Cleveland wanted to end the strike by bringing in
federal troops. Governor John Altgeld declared that he could handle
things. Federal versus State again[1].

The issue continues to appear. Revenue sharing with the States was
considered federal extortion by many. Cooperate or get no federal
money. Federal funding of education is still an active issue and
political problem:
https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/role.html
Unfunded mandates by the feds, where the States are ordered to pay for
various federal programs, is a constant source of friction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfunded_mandate
The State run electoral college system managed to elect Trump despite
him losing the popular vote.

And so on... Most of these conflicting fed versus State issues have
been somewhat settled by compromises hammered out by congress and the
supreme court. Hopefully, these conflicting issues will continue to
be peacefully and individually addressed, rather than all at once as
in our Civil War, where every possible issue and grievance were
violently contested.


[1] The rules for capitalizing the word State are rather weird and
have changed since the Revolutionary War, when all references to a
particular state required a capitalized State. This underscores the
relative importance the founders put on State government versus the
federal government.
"Is State Capitalized?"
https://capitalizemytitle.com/ufaqs/is-state-capitalized/

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On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 9:46:38 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 5:50 AM, sms wrote:
On 7/19/2020 1:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

A normal president would talk to justice about increasing the number
of US Marshals to protect federal court property or talk to DHS/FPS to
work with PPB to coordinate protection of federal court property --
build coalitions, put out fires, etc., etc.Â* Not Trump. Send storm
troopers with zero local coordination and throw gallons of gas on fire
for tough talk and photo op in the Rose Garden. Walk to church, waive
bible upside down then go play 18 holes -- maybe throw in some
COVID-19 denial.Â* Rinse lather repeat. It's exhausting.

Trumps hard-core base loves all this. Hopefully there aren't enough
Covidiots to get him re-elected.

Hopefully they all get together for mass hugs and kisses long before
election day.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...t-naked-athena
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/07/2...ands-protests/

Naked women and moms will save us from the federal aggressors.

-- Jay Beattie.

On 7/20/2020 12:53 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 9:46:38 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 5:50 AM, sms wrote:
On 7/19/2020 1:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

A normal president would talk to justice about increasing the number
of US Marshals to protect federal court property or talk to DHS/FPS to
work with PPB to coordinate protection of federal court property --
build coalitions, put out fires, etc., etc. Not Trump. Send storm
troopers with zero local coordination and throw gallons of gas on fire
for tough talk and photo op in the Rose Garden. Walk to church, waive
bible upside down then go play 18 holes -- maybe throw in some
COVID-19 denial. Rinse lather repeat. It's exhausting.

Trumps hard-core base loves all this. Hopefully there aren't enough
Covidiots to get him re-elected.

Hopefully they all get together for mass hugs and kisses long before
election day.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...t-naked-athena
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/07/2...ands-protests/

Naked women and moms will save us from the federal aggressors.

-- Jay Beattie.


Good thought and I agree. They can't be as bad as the
anarchists and communists who have infiltrated 'protests'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/po...em/ar-BB16muJb

I'm always in favor of motherhood and naked women, not
necessarily in that order.
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Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:10:42 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:12:29 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

I just went out into the Inter Webs for more recent
reportage and it seems that, yes, Fed agents are involving
themselves outside protection of Federal facilities.

Excellent. Now, ask yourself why President Trump would order units of
the Customs and Border Protection and probably some other federal
agencies to break up a mostly peaceful demonstration?

2016 report (issued Oct 2019) on Federal Law Enforcement Officers from
the Bureau of Justice Statistics:
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6708
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fleo16st.pdf
Table 4 shows 11,611 of 132,110 officers are designated as "Police
response/patrol".

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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 7/20/2020 1:26 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:10:42 -0700, Jeff Liebermann
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:12:29 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

I just went out into the Inter Webs for more recent
reportage and it seems that, yes, Fed agents are involving
themselves outside protection of Federal facilities.

Excellent. Now, ask yourself why President Trump would order units of
the Customs and Border Protection and probably some other federal
agencies to break up a mostly peaceful demonstration?

2016 report (issued Oct 2019) on Federal Law Enforcement Officers from
the Bureau of Justice Statistics:
https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=6708
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fleo16st.pdf
Table 4 shows 11,611 of 132,110 officers are designated as "Police
response/patrol".


There are many layers of analyses, these being a nested
series of different problems.

For example, Mayor Munchkin who regularly demeans her police
force, sent bicycle patrolmen to guard a statue against a
crowd heavily weighted with anarchists and communists:

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...riday/2307356/

All police are not angels. All 'peaceful protesters' are not
agitators either. But there are enough in each group to
make trouble. Big trouble.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 13:05:14 -0500, AMuzi wrote:

On 7/20/2020 12:53 PM, jbeattie wrote:
On Monday, July 20, 2020 at 9:46:38 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
On 7/20/2020 5:50 AM, sms wrote:
On 7/19/2020 1:41 PM, jbeattie wrote:

snip

A normal president would talk to justice about increasing the number
of US Marshals to protect federal court property or talk to DHS/FPS to
work with PPB to coordinate protection of federal court property --
build coalitions, put out fires, etc., etc. Not Trump. Send storm
troopers with zero local coordination and throw gallons of gas on fire
for tough talk and photo op in the Rose Garden. Walk to church, waive
bible upside down then go play 18 holes -- maybe throw in some
COVID-19 denial. Rinse lather repeat. It's exhausting.

Trumps hard-core base loves all this. Hopefully there aren't enough
Covidiots to get him re-elected.

Hopefully they all get together for mass hugs and kisses long before
election day.

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...t-naked-athena
https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/07/2...ands-protests/

Naked women and moms will save us from the federal aggressors.

-- Jay Beattie.


Good thought and I agree. They can't be as bad as the
anarchists and communists who have infiltrated 'protests'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/po...em/ar-BB16muJb

I'm always in favor of motherhood and naked women, not
necessarily in that order.


Errr... I thought that the naked women pre-dated motherhood :-)
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Cheers,

John B.